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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 06:58 PM Original message |
The Clinton Campaign: What Went Wrong? |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. I think most of her problem was MARK PENN! If I were her, I'd tell |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Good point |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
77. It comes back to Hillary, though. She chose her campaign staff... |
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cloudbase (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
2. Obama had: |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. He was also honest. Something she lacked. |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
4. Too much analysis. |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. LOL, no such thing n/t |
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MichiganVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Not on this board anyway. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. No, it's not "too much analysis"..it's |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
40. IWR, extreme arrogance, mudslinging, Obama |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
6. The grass roots Democrats were tired of status quo. Obama represents a change from the |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Yeah, I'm thinking we are |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
35. I agree with you--especially from the sexim angle. Would we support Margaret Thatcher |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Passionatly agree about lobbyists |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. Agree. If we don't get the corporate influence out of politics, all else will be wasted. nm |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
91. I despised Maggie Thatcher's politics but loved her person. If she saw a nutcracker in her image .. |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #6 |
72. Sen Clinton represented the rich corporate lobbyists. |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #6 |
78. IMO, that was the #1 mistake Hillary made: totally missing the wants and needs of the voters... |
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Patsy Stone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
7. #4 |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. So who advised her to lie repeatedly about things that were easily proven to be untrue? |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #19 |
87. Probably Bill |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. I suspect you're right |
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abburdlen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
8. many times it seemed |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
44. I disagree |
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ticapnews (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
12. I just hope this is the last we've seen of Terry McAuliffe |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Here's hoping n/t |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
14. I stayed away from the media coverage of the primaries for |
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roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
15. It was the wrong message, this is not a year to run on experience, especially |
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ryanmuegge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
16. I love how the media went from, "she's running a great campaign" to |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Agreed |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #16 |
88. I noticed |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
17. Her rank dishonesty - Tuzla, NAFTA, among others. |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
20. today showed what is RIGHT with Hillary |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. I'd broadly agree with that |
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AJH032 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
24. I don't think much went wrong, actually |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
25. she has been hated since the early 90's |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Her own lies helped destroy her. No propaganda there. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. *YAWN* |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. I know, the truth can be dry and uninteresting when you're so dedicated to denying it. |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #25 |
79. The Clintons had their detractors in Arkansas, before they came to D.C..... |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
27. Her biggest problem: Her hybristic behavior. |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:34 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. UM, what does "hybristic" mean? n/t |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Oh boy. Here you go ....... |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:39 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Ah, thanks n/t |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
86. adjectival form of "hubris" |
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Ice-9 (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
29. Really excellent analysis. |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:33 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Thank you n/t |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
37. I W R made her ABC for a lot of voters, myself included. nt |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:17 AM Response to Reply #37 |
54. Yeah, it wasn't right she |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #37 |
68. IWR (AuMF) caused the loss. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #37 |
90. Not to mention her refusal to apologize for voting to authorize it. nt |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
38. That arrogant tone from the start -- "She'll be the nominee so shut up and get out of the way" |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
39. Negative campaigning and sniper story. Note she went negative just after |
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slinkerwink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
41. Mark Penn. No doubt. |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
42. Five things: |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
43. Nothing went "wrong". It was a matter of advantages and Obama had more than Hillary.... |
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jonestonesusa (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:08 AM Response to Reply #43 |
52. I agree with points 2 and 3, but point 1 needs clarification |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #43 |
59. Hillary started out with the black vote. It was hers to lose |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 02:05 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. I don't have to argue any points. I am stating facts. My last post on GD: P (for now). |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Here are some facts. Obama didn't get the black vote until |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #43 |
69. Your analsys is partly true, but here's the thing |
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beac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #69 |
80. She also had a HUGE advantage in that she could lend herself |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #43 |
76. I repeat it is the numbers - not the logic - that bear me out....... |
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davidpdx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
45. Good analysis |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
46. You wouldn't know what is required to be fair |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. OK, when I talk about HRC's fanatical supporters... |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 06:57 AM Response to Reply #50 |
63. Intelligent reply. (sarcasm) |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #63 |
74. Hey, you started the flaming n/t |
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Rene (758 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
47. An entire 'hating the clintons' industry is now out of work. what a shame--not. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:18 AM Response to Reply #47 |
55. But, your stupid red herrings |
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beac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #55 |
82. Though I suspect Rene will be gone after Weds noon. |
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RoadRage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
49. The biggest problem with Clinton's campaign: O B A M A |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #49 |
58. It was the Perfect Storm |
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Tresalisa (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-07-08 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
51. A very dear friend of mine passed away shortly after 9/11/01. |
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beac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #51 |
85. She definitely had presidential aspirations then. |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
53. Obama's successful Swiftboating of the Clintons on race. |
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jonestonesusa (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:24 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Wait, Methuen Progressive, don't forget to link to the memo... |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:28 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Russert: 'do you regret pushing this story?' BO: 'not only in hindsight, but going forward.' |
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jonestonesusa (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 12:53 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Fair enough... |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 07:00 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. so he lied? |
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jonestonesusa (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. What Obama said isn't lying, IMO - it's conciliatory. |
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beac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #53 |
84. Being falsely labeled a "sexist"?? |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 05:57 PM Response to Reply #53 |
93. Here's my take of the Clintons' "Spade Work" type-campaigning dating back to 1989. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 01:17 AM Response to Original message |
61. Time already has something on "How Obama Did It".. |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #61 |
73. "But we've got a plan, and we've got to have faith in it." |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
65. Campaign strategy- I would have gladly voted for her up until February 18 |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
70. She ran as a DLC moderate instead of as a Democrat. |
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my3boyz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
71. I think they also lacked a consistent message. Every day they were saying something new. nt |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-08-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Not initially |
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jonestonesusa (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. Another analysis of the primary campaign - seems sound as well. |
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PM7nj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #71 |
94. Exactly. I couldn't keep up. |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
83. A top-down campaign that went belly-up. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
89. # 3, 4, and 5 were why HRC lost. The media was equally strident to Obama and Racism balanced out |
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mudesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
92. It was her arrogance and her Iraq vote that did it (nm) |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
95. Her strategery. |
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