Wow... here it is: the FIRST Mrs. McCain speaks... wait until this gets around!

[npincus]

The angry Hillary supporters who are threatening to vote McCain will make an about-face when this gets around... this needs to be widely diseminated.. A point of interest: H. Ross Perot paid for Carol McCain's medical expenses while Mccain was a POW (she's had 23 operations following her near-fatal, disfiguring car accident).


The Forgotten Woman, Carol McCain.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

The wife U.S. Republican John McCain callously left behind

Ted Sampley, who fought with US Special Forces in Vietnam and is now a leading campaigner for veterans’ rights, said: ‘I have been following John McCain’s career for nearly 20 years. I know him personally. There is something wrong with this guy and let me tell you what it is – deceit.

‘When he came home and saw that Carol was not the beauty he left behind, he started running around on her almost right away. Everybody around him knew it.

‘Eventually he met Cindy and she was young and beautiful and very wealthy. At that point McCain just dumped Carol for something he thought was better.

‘This is a guy who makes such a big deal about his character. He has no character. He is a fake. If there was any character in that first marriage, it all belonged to Carol.’

[panader0]

1. I think even rebuplican women will avoid mcsame

I don't think he has a chance in the GE.

[npincus]

7. this story is toxic.... REALLY toxic in terms of female support

and nuetralizes (somewhat) the potential "female problem" Webb has, should Obama pick him for VP. I'm all for Webb, BTW.

[AZBlue]

39. You're assuming GOP men let their womenfolk read the news.

[KittyWampus]

2. McCain did what many husbands do when wives become incapacitated- leave.

Too many men, not all, don't have the nurturing capacity instilled in them.

And that doesn't preclude the existence of wives who leave husbands for similar reasons.

[roguevalley]

26. since he married his babe a month later, he left her much earlier.

funny that mccain is cheating on his second wife but live by the sword, die by the sword.

[npincus]

27. NYT got seriously b*tch-slapped for reporting on rumors of a McCain affair

so they may be reluctant to go "there" again.

[RoadRage]

48. I would hope all of the Hillary Feminist who are planning on voting for McCain

Read this, and at least put the pencil down before checking ANY box. If you hate Obama for what you "think" he did to Hillary - it was NOTHING compared to what McCain did in real life to his first wife. A true feminist would be appalled, and would never vote for any man who does this.

Let's see if those same feminist who support Hillary also support the first Mrs. McCain.

[KittyWampus]

3. dupe

[Renew Deal]

4. Sampley is one of the Swift Boat Vets

He's a scumbag.

[seaglass]

12. Ugh. I knew I recognized that name. It would be much better

if someone other than this scumbag was telling the story.

[npincus]

14. Well, he's not telling the story, he's merely quoted

but think of it this way: he's got a built-in audience, since he is "known".... shithead he may be, but facts are facts.

Question for McCain: "What part of "for better or for worse" didn't you understand?"

[seaglass]

19. Yeah, he also thinks John McCain is a KGB agent. The guy is a nut

and I wouldn't promote anything quoted by him, I'd use another source - but that's just me.

[DearAbby]

5. In sickness and health...wedding vows.

Before John McCain's tour of duty in Vietnam, he married Carol Shepp, a model from Philadelphia. On his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam in 1967, McCain was shot down and captured.

While he was imprisoned, Carol was in an auto wreck (1969), thrown through her car's windshield and left seriously injured. Despite her injures, she refused to allow her POW husband to be notified about her condition, fearing that such news would not be good for him while he was being held prisoner.

When McCain returned to the United States in 1973 after more than five years as a prisoner of war, he found his wife was a different person. The accident "left her 4 inches shorter and on crutches, and she had gained a good deal of weight."

>snip<

http://www.usvetdsp.com/mcaindiv.htm

[krkaufman]

35. Well, it would certainly be a fair followup question to ask McCain about his leaving his first wife

... if and when McCain starts talking about not supporting gay marriage. Did "gay marriage" affect John McCain's marriage, or is it reasonable that gay marriage is not really a factor in the breakup of marriages? Are you gay, Senator McCain?

[cbc5g]

6. McCain should reconsider going after Michelle Obama

He's got huge skeletons in his closet

[tyne]

9. And to think....

He was just slightly younger than Obama when he did this.

[oldpol]

20. McCain is definitely vulnerable

I hope this gets ou far and wide!

[FatherTime1408]

8. That certainly seems dispicable, but...

...lots of people get divorced for many different and often deplorable reasons. You can't just write off anyone who has ever cheated as evil. I'm not defending it or especially him, just sayin it happens is all. And no, I've never cheated on my wife. But I know LOTS of divorced folks who have. Don't you?

[npincus]

10. context is everything here.

McCain finds out the beautiful wife he left behind is no longer that, and immediately starts cheating and plots his exit... his pursuit of Cindy Mccain is well-documented. No, I don't know many people who have cheated on their spouses (or admitted doing so) and furthermore, THEY are not running for president- McCain is, the candidate from the "values" party.

Americans want to LIKE their president... this kind of story is not going to endear him to women or so-called morality voters.

[breakaleg]

13. I agree. It's not just the cheating, it's the circumstances that are not right, especially for

someone running on a "morals" campaign.

[FatherTime1408]

17. I agree, the hipocrisy is glaring

But I'm just saying we weren't there. Maybe him being a POW for years and her being without him and in a life-altering car accident just left them different people. We don't know. The article's title is a bit deceptive. It says,

Carol insists she remains on good terms with her ex-husband, who agreed as part of their divorce settlement to pay her medical costs for life. ‘I have no bitterness,’......‘My marriage ended because John McCain didn’t want to be 40, he wanted to be 25. You know that happens...it just does.’

[npincus]

23. I know what you are saying

so will reconsider.... hmmmmm.... let me think..... NAH.

[snooper2]

11. What a fucking POS

:puke:

I knew most of the story, but the extra details....jeez :puke:

[me b zola]

15. I think that this is why the rw fearful of Michelle and her relationship with Barack

When I heard that last week that the blonde rw idiot on The View was criticizing the Obama's marriage (the Obamas are apparently are too much in love for the rw) I knew that this was a weak spot for McCain.

Meanwhile, the "new" Mrs McCain appears to be plastic. When I see her it seems that her eyes are on the corners of her forehead. Yeah, that's real main street American.

[Mimosa]

34. Cindy Mccain had a stroke

I don't believe it's right to make fun of Cindy. She's been dragged through hell by her husband.

[me b zola]

40. I was referring to elective cosmetic surgery

and not anything to do with a physical disability.

If Cindy has been put through hell by John, that only supports my point that the strength, commitment, and closeness of the Obama marriage shows the marriage of the candidate from the party of "family values" as a weakness.

[whistle]

16. John McCain's character flaws are still intact and active and will blossom forth

...during the campaign :nuke:

[DaveT]

18. I'm not interested in this kind of story.

I did not believe it was any of my business when I heard about Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky. I think it was an outrage that Clinton was required to testify about that topic. When he was dishonest in answering questions about it, I did not much care about that, either. His personal life should never have become national news or poltical ammunition.

In previous generations, politicians did not have to read about their sexual experiences in the newspaper. This is one area in which I do not think "progress" has been beneficial for the Republic.

There is plenty of public dirt on McCain and we don't need to play politics like this.



I understand the political "reality" that animates this thread. If somebody is going to vote for McCain because a woman got the shaft in the political process, she might be turned around to hear about how McCain gave some other woman the shaft. Blah blah blah. Forgive me if I don't believe that come November very many former Clinton supporters will be saying silly shit like, "Oh, I am so upset about how Hillary lost that I am going to vote for McCain." That kind of petulance rarely lasts very long . . . .



We made a huge mistake as a society when we decide to treat politicians like celebrities and to deny them any right to privacy. It prevents many people who could be good public servants from entering politics.

[npincus]

21. you may not be, but the story peaks volumes about the kind of person McCain is

and this is NOT the Clinton-Lewinsky matter, which was about an attempted GOP coup-de tate. That is NOT this story. AMericans have every right to translate McCain's lack of empathy for his suffering wife, his abandonment of her, to how he would govern; the lack of empathy for the suffering of others and the policies that don't fix inequities in education, access to health care, and even care of veterans (McCain did not vote for webb's GI Bill).

This is quite relevant to Americans' evaluation of his core values and priorities, and not simply a matter of prurient interest. So I respectfully disagree w/you and don't think this story and the Clinton-lewinsky share any commonality.

[DaveT]

46. There are similarities and differences between them.

You could argue (and I have no doubt that Republican spin meisters will do so) that McCain's divorce is far less of a transgression than Clinton's infidelity.

You could also argue that this portrays McCain as a selfish prick for divorcing Wife Number One, but we don't really know any more about what really went on between that couple than what went on between Bill and Hillary after the Lewinsky affair. He was in a POW camp for several years, and for all we know they were both entirely different people than they were before he went off to war.

So one way to spin what little we really know about their relationship is to judge that he divorced her because she became fat and ugly while he was at war. If there is nothing more to it than that, I suppose a lot of people would deem him an asshole. But, how could we ever know that there wasn't more to it than that? Would it make any difference to you if it turns out that she slept around while he was in Hanoi? Or if she had an affair with his best friend? Or if she developed an addiction to illegal drugs or kinky sex? And if you think any of those kinds of issues might be relevant to your judgment about McCain's divorce should the media deploy a platoon of investigative reporters to look into her sex life and personal habits?

There are always at least two sides to every story. If we want to judge somebody else's divorce, shouldn't we at least consider both sides?

I can imagine a retort to my argument that says, "Hey, you are just pulling the sex and drug ideas out of the air. You don't have any evidence of any of that."

And my rejoinder is this: Of course not. It ain't any of my business in the first place. But if McCain or any other public figure gets a divorce, how in the hell can they be expected to justify it to the rest of the world? Whatever his reasons, whether shallow or deep, whether righteous or sinful, we have no way of knowing what really went on in their home. And nosing into what went on is not something that I respect, under any circumstances.

Privacy used to mean something in this country and I think we are making a huge mistake when we abandon it as a shared value. If public officials have to justify their marital choices to the public, we are in real deep trouble as a society.



I feel like a jerkoff defending McCain and I sure don't know what the particulars were. And I don't want to know. That is a very unpopular principle in this Information Age -- when constant "news" gives us ALL the personal dirt on everybody famous.

But I respectfully dissent from the popular mood of our age on this score.

[PerpetuallyDazed]

44. We have to beat him!

... Through any means necessary. And you know the GOP would do the same, situation reversed. Those Republicans who were anti-Clinton because his affair need to know about this so they stay home!

This ain't just politics. It's personal to me--a McSame presidency would likely guarantee my husband in Iraq for another tour :-(

[geek_sabre]

22. many, many marriages ended after the Vietnam War

Divorce rates are significantly higher among combat vets. We saw it in WWII, Vietnam, and we still see this now with Iraq war vets. McCain was captive and tortured for 5 years, left with permanent injuries. It is impossible to come out of that kind of a situation the same person as you went in. It is unlikely Carol, who, despite her injuries, spent 5 years raising her young children alone without any knowledge of when or if her husband was going to return, was the same person she was when he left. I think reducing this to "he left her for someone younger and prettier" is lame. The stress of having to switch from devoting your life to your family, to having to trust your life in the hands of your squadron for x years, and back is psychologically devastating. Some people simply can't readjust. Does that make them bad people? I don't think so.

[greguganus]

24. I agree. Who's to say he wouldn't have left her even if she didn't have the accident or visa versa?

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

25. Interesting...

It appears from the article that Ross Perot doesn't think much of McCain. There are still a lot of independent voters who respect Perot, and hostility from Perot would deinitely hurt McCain among those voters.

[rndmprsn]

28. K&R people have to know the truth about John W McCSame

i CAN'T wait till this gets out...how can we help!

[MonkeyFunk]

29. will you guys shut the fuck up

about the "angry Clinton voters threatening to vote for McCain"?

I've seen NOBODY here claim they were going to vote for McCain. I don't deny it might've happened, but certainly no more than 1 or 2 people. And yet this must be the 400th thread that brings it up.

It's just another bullshit attack on Clinton supporters. Knock it the fuck off.

[npincus]

30. no f*cking thank you

DUers not the problem: http://hcsfjm.com/

[rhett o rick]

43. And you buy that hook line and sinker. If you would ignore them they would go away.

I bet most Hillary supports that threaten to vote McBush-brain, were going to anyway, even if Clinton won the nomination. And making a big deal about it only gives them attention which is the last thing you should do. Your attention isn't going to change their minds.

[cottonseed]

31. Maybe they've seen the 100s of NOBAMA and "vote McCain" posts at blog.hillaryclinton.com

Maybe that's where they got the impression that there are "angry Clinton voters threatening to vote for McCain".

http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/06/07/162034#view_comments
http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/06/05/144631#view_comments

It's just a possiblity.

:eyes:

[MonkeyFunk]

33. Why is it that the only people here who seem to visit those sites

why troll the 'net to find stuff that offends you and bring it here? When you step in dog shit do you bring it home to share with the family?

[npincus]

36. "those sites"? Since when is a presidential campaign website one of "those sites"?

that's about as meainstream a baramoter for determining where a candidate's supporters stand. It is not a fringe, lunatic website. These are mainstream Democrats, not nut-jobs, proclaiming eternal allegiance to their candidate by spurning the nominee. You can proclaim your irritation and annoyance at the valid concern of Democrats who care about winning, if you like. You can elect to ignore their concerns, or mock them. Your prerogative. But many of us here choose not to underestimate the feelings of her supporters, and would find doing so foolishness.

[symbolman]

37. You might want to back off on the caffeine or something

your sig says "Fuck the Hate" yet you bristle and send off waves of it..

I'm hoping you'll still be here after Wednesday, but I have doubts..

I remember when you had some funny in you.

[cottonseed]

38. hillaryclinton.com is dog shit?

Did you just miss my point entirely?

Listen, I'm sorry, but again, and for the 2nd time. Hillary Clinton is a MAJOR figure in the Democratic party. Her OFFICIAL Web site has gotten more word of mouth advertising than just about any other on earth over the last 6 months. Her Web site is the national hub of her internet strategy. When her OFFICIAL blog is used to advocate for McCain then it's a problem. I'm not attacking Hillary's character here, but I suggest that she, her campaign, and her team get their shit together and start taking a more aggressive approach to moderating the site's comments.

[rhett o rick]

42. I am with you on this Monkey. It's time to go after McBush-brains. nm

[newmajority]

32. I think it's a mistake to have these McCain stories coming out right now.

Even if the whore media picks this up (which is doubtful) it will peak within a few weeks, and be long forgotten by November. Worse yet, if it actually tanked Grandpa's numbers before the Repuke convention (which, again, is after ours) they might yank him out of the nomination and replace him with someone who might actually have a chance of winning. Like maybe Chuck Hagel, who is WRONGLY perceived as some kind of "moderate". AND who brings his own electro-fraud machines to the party. :scared:

[GoldieAZ49]

41. Those are not her words.

Carol McCain is a supporter of John's.

That is what will 'get around'.

[PerpetuallyDazed]

45. You gotta read the entire article...

"Carol insists she remains on good terms with her ex-husband, who agreed as part of their divorce settlement to pay her medical costs for life. ‘I have no bitterness,’ she says. ‘My accident is well recorded. I had 23 operations, I am five inches shorter than I used to be and I was in hospital for six months. It was just awful, but it wasn’t the reason for my divorce. ‘My marriage ended because John McCain didn’t want to be 40, he wanted to be 25. You know that happens...it just does.’"

Also: "Another friend added: ‘Carol didn’t fight him. She felt her infirmity made her an impediment to him. She justified his actions because of all he had gone through. She used to say, “He just wants to make up for lost time.”’ Indeed, to many in their circle the saddest part of the break-up was Carol’s decision to resign herself to losing a man she says she still adores."

She obviously forgave him... ironically, a lot like what Hillary did? Doesn't mean he still didn't cheat on her and this irks the conservatives to no end!

[jazzjunkysue]

47. I could talk with this woman, but Cindy scares the begeepbers out of me.

:scared:

This woman looks like my mother, or Barbara Bush. A.K.A. normal.