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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 10:57 AM Original message |
Attacking McCain's age is wrong, in part because "McCain Aims for Backlash Among Seniors" |
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bunkerbuster1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
1. You've convinced me. |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
24. Thank you. I really appreciate your reply. (n/t) |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
2. McCain is pretty old for his age though. I don't remember Dole being that out of it. |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. You are helping me make my point - |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
85. Dole was pretty bad. I remember he kept calling his wife "Hillary".... |
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Alter Ego (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
3. McCain's age and temper are just the icing on the turd cake |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
4. I pointed this out, without the pics and graphs, a couple weeks back. |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
5. 'Atta boy, John. When you've got nothing to offer, go for the sympathy vote. |
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Raejeanowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Don't Hate Him Because He's Beautiful.....Errrr.....Older |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #14 |
26. Don't quite understand your response. |
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Raejeanowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #26 |
51. He's Trying To Garner Votes Any Way He Can |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #51 |
89. "You'll get enough of it in your 50s-plus to remember" |
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Raejeanowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
6. This Is Absolutely Correct |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. I think you've nailed it -- it is easier to slam his age, than to |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
35. I would think that George Bush himself would be living proof |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
45. I like your Lautenberg and Byrd examples. McCain's confusion could be linked |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. I've checked out a couple of child-rearing sites |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #55 |
67. Fair enough. This is still a site for people living in modern circumstances - |
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Raejeanowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #35 |
53. I Like Your Examples |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Absolutely right. I will use the term "ADVANCING age" from now on. n/t |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
8. Presidents over 70 |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #8 |
12. I almost included him in my list of people I'd like to have in my committee |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
9. I don't believe there would be a senior backlash. I'm 64 and I KNOW |
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Raejeanowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #9 |
20. I'm Younger Than You And I Couldn't Either |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #9 |
22. I put the potential senior voter backlash 4th or 5th on my list - |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
76. My mom says the same thing and she is 67 |
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Fleshdancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
11. I just wish he would act his age |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #11 |
23. Now THAT is a reasonable point - |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
13. My grandma (who is 80) |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #13 |
27. Your grandma's experience is uniquely hers -- it is not the experience of all |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. It really does depend on the individual |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
15. The one thing that bothered me with Obama was not with Obama, but with the |
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Raejeanowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #15 |
29. There's A Great Quote Somewhere |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #29 |
70. I question mostly McCain, his policies, his lack of empathy with women, |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
16. As a senior myself, |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
17. As a senior citizen, I couldn't care less. |
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madwivoter (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
18. I'm convinced. John McNasty it is. |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
57. To John McNasty. |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
19. A million thanks for your OP |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
21. I beg to differ with your argument. |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #21 |
30. The Presidency has to be the most exhausting job in the nation - |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
25. My own father (age 72), a republican, doubts McCain only because of his age. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
28. His age IS an issue with many voters, including OLD ones. |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. The "research" I included above includes what I know about the |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Why can't you accept that age matters? |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #40 |
52. Age matters. Okay. |
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Raejeanowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #52 |
62. What You Said x2 n/t |
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Raejeanowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #40 |
60. And I Don't Care How Young And Vigorous They Are |
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Raejeanowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #28 |
46. And Would They Be Uncle Toms With Walkers? |
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panAmerican (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
31. It's true. First generation American/Naturalized Americans like me are keenly aware of the ageism... |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #31 |
77. What country are your parents from? What positive traits of elderly are seen |
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NatBurner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
32. mccain jokes about it himself |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. NatB - Individiduals are allowed to joke about themselves, but if others join in it can be a problem |
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NatBurner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. damn u and your logic |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #44 |
56. NatBurner - you are fair thinker. Thanks. :-) (n/t) |
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RichardRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
33. My 86 year old mother KNOWS McCain shouldn't be president |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #33 |
48. Respect - that is the key. Having these conversations in a way that makes |
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crankychatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
36. I feel the same way about his military service - but I have questions RE his mental health |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Questions about his temperament and health are 100% relevant. (n/t) |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
41. I think most older people believe McCain is too old to be president. |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 05:57 PM Response to Reply #41 |
103. ITA. I have two Republican friends--the #1 reason they reject McCain is his age.... |
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windoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
42. I agree, while mental clarity and temper are definite issues. n/t |
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Beregond2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
43. All the seniors I know (and there are plenty) are the FIRST |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
47. Thanks for this |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Good points. Thanks. (n/t) |
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Kokonoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
50. Also be careful not to say "hes losing his bearings" |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. If we aren't careful we will all be losing our bear-lings... |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
58. Very true |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
61. start looking ADEA law and then you'll understand why we cant use the word gramps |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
63. Good thinking and great post. K&R |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #63 |
79. Thanks sfexpat2000! (n/t) |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
64. I'm more concerned about his health |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #64 |
73. Health is important, but none of us is guaranteed tomorrow. |
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nsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
65. Okay, you've convinced me. |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #65 |
80. Thank you! (n/t) |
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SeaLyons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
66. This is a great post. |
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olkaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
68. I agree, but you almost lost me with Emil Jones |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #68 |
81. Uh-oh. Sorry. Influence goes both ways - |
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Heather MC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
69. My grandmother is 95. She is always cracking jokes about OLD people |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. Your grandmother sounds like a blast... :-) |
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cottonseed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
71. Yes, but it looks like it's a joke that's made it out to pop culture. |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. It is out there - no doubt. We can't - just the few thousand of us - change |
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cottonseed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #74 |
82. Point taken. |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
72. I agree. If McCain has problems as a result of his age, they will |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. Your elderly in-laws are an excellent example of folks to whom we should |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. You are so right. I also think that having someone like Clark |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
84. It's a valid criticism. McCain often seems confused and befuddled.... |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Confused is a problem at any age so address particular instances of |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. We will have to disagree on this one. n/t |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. Fair enough. (n/t) |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
88. I AGREE: Seniors vote in way larger numbers! And are sensitive about age issues. |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
90. McSame or Bush Lite might be best? |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. All comparisons of McCain & Tush are fair. ;-) (n/t) |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
93. Kicked and recommended. |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Thank you Uncle Joe -- it is great to run into you again and may I add, as I always do, |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. It's good to see you as well, IndyOp |
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enough (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
95. His age will be an issue AND we should stop denigrating him because of his age. |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. Yes. You've said it very well. Thank you. (n/t) |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
98. I agree 1000%. |
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NC_Nurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
99. I agree completely with your assessment. We need to stop bashing ANY |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
100. It could be used against us now |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Agreed - lots of specific comparisons to Bush will be deadly. (n/t) |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. that's why they are hiding Bush! |
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Willo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
104. I'm glad you mentioned this Indy |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. ! |
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DeepModem Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-09-08 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
106. I had considered the "ageist" aspect of this issue, but not the voting backlash possibility. |
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