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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:04 PM Original message |
Obama Backing FISA Compromise |
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PM7nj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. .......................... |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
32. We need to... |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
2. We'll see what he does with the retroactive immunity. I am disappointed. |
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enough (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Very disappointing, but he states that he will work to remove the immunity provision. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #7 |
27. yeah - you believe that? |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. It says right there in the statement that he opposes retroactive immunity |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. and what if he can't get that amendment passed? Will he still vote for it? I hope he takes a stand. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. As do I. |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #18 |
45. There's no hope for that amendment, and he must know that |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
30. then why support it in the first place? |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
3. Disappointing. |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
4. Yes We Can spy on you! |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #4 |
37. "but the President's illegal program of warrantless surveillance will be over." |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Yes, it will be over, because the House just legalized warrantless surveillance |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. How so? |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
5. disgusting, but hardly surprising. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. The very sad part is that I wish I were surprised. I'm still angry |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
57. well, I didn't really have any dreams regarding him. he is doing about what |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #57 |
93. I'm actually finding that a bit disgusting (not interesting) |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
6. My third disappointment. So soon Barack? I am not happy. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. I don't know why folks are reading this post and state being dissappointed? |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #20 |
35. It's lame Frenchie. I'm really disappointed |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
50. The senate has not voted on the bill yet. His comments are |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #50 |
81. This part is too clear for comfort |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
77. Sadly, Rethugs would successfully beat us over the head with this cause most voters are clueless |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #20 |
42. He knows an amendment removing that provision is doomed to fail |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. YES, this is fucking stupid...I don't know what the hell this guy is thinking...let down I am |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #47 |
71. He's pandering to the left...that's the only answer that makes any sense |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #71 |
95. I hope he doesn't misjudge the mood. Pandering isn't going to fly n/t |
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Elidor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #20 |
52. Retroactive immunity has very strong support in the Senate |
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Lucky 13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #20 |
70. So why not oppose the bad bill now? |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
8. You really should read your post before making a thred out of BS. > |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. "BS" WTF? "So I support the compromise, but do so with a firm pledge that as President," |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
24. The rest of us can read just fine. Please don't shoot the OP because Obama's compromising |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
48. Deleted message |
Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #48 |
91. I'd suggest you grow the fuck up and quit blindly excusing things because it's more convenient |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. Imagevision, he's blowing smoke up your ass |
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Youphemism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
29. Not sure about your point... |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
10. He backs the compromise, but wants to remove retroactive immunity? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. I'm willing to bet it was a bit more complicated than that. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #23 |
36. Yes, but often the other issues are not controversial at all. n/t |
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Hope And Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
11. I must say that I`m disappointed. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. It's possible that the immunity provision will be stripped out in the Senate. n/t |
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MrCoffee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Possible, yes. Probable, no. |
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Hope And Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I really hope so. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #15 |
51. It's possible that I can jump to the moon, probable? hell naw |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. How many Democratic Senators are for retroactive immunity? n/t |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
13. Beyond the retroactive immunity, which Obama does not support, what is wrong with the bill? |
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SeaLyons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
21. Really disappointing.... |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
22. Obama, very smart move... |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
26. How....Odd. I am now |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
28. As long as he gets retroactive immunity removed I am happy. |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. I seriously |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. OK, but will he vote for a law that contains the immunity? |
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Youphemism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #28 |
40. I don't think Obama expects immunity to get removed... |
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oviedodem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
33. I am numb and don't know what to do. Maybe its because I don't have a full |
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Robbins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. FISA |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
38. Thanks Prosense. I'd rather get the news from an Obama supporter |
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Sundoggy (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
43. I should have known it - the honeymoon's over |
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Elidor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
44. He just won Atrios' coveted Wanker of the Day award |
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butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
46. I believe there is a whole lot.. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. Yeah, there has to be...they gain NOTHING !! NOTHING for accepting this NOTHING!! |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
55. I think this sucks |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
56. If this passes in the Senate with immunity intact, I'm done. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. I know how you feel but we've got to ask them what they're getting out of this! I'd be done with... |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #60 |
78. This is where I draw the line. n/t |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
58. He knows that it will pass the Senate. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
59. Welcome to the real world |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. But at least Hillary THOUGHT she would get SOMETHING out of her votes. WTF does Obama think he's... |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #62 |
74. Lets wait to see how Hillary votes on this... |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. Don't see what that has to do with my reply but OK, I'm game. I'd still like to know what they think |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #62 |
75. I can't speak for him, but... |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. Economy is the big issue this election cycle and even kkkons want out of Iraq!! The "security" shit |
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TheDoorbellRang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #75 |
90. I wish I understood all of this better. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Far as I can tell Bush never overturned FISA, instead his Justice Department |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. No Tom. Welcome to this new world. If Obama fucks up, we're walking |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #68 |
79. No problem Catherina, I don't take it personally at all. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. Good points I agree with |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #68 |
84. WORD!!! ...."LITTLE" votes like this give the Bush admin room to do what the fuck they want WHEN the |
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cbayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #68 |
94. Catherina, Obama is going to make a lot of decisions that you or I do not agree with. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #59 |
73. The real world? The real world doesn't want Bush spying on them. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
61. We need to grab his attention ASAP. The comments on the net are very angry |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. Me Too, this is VERY disappointing. Why does he think he's getting out of this? Where is the net... |
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nsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #61 |
86. TPM and sites to its left? |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Obama has lost the racist vote. He's lost the prowar vote. |
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oviedodem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
63. There is a separate vote in the senate to strip the immunity |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Yes, because "stripping" out of the immunity is a long shot...a VERY long shot |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
64. Obama; "so that we can seek full accountability for past offenses" |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. HOW?!?! The proponents will say it'll compell the Bush admin to come forth with documents etc on WHO |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
67. many a tears have to fall, but it's all in the game |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. I know you're not gleefully saying "I told you so" and smart enough to understand |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
76. Well some of us tried to tell y'all |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. Which is precisely what we're doing here. Note the honesty not spin n/t |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
85. If the Senate reworks the bill |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-20-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. OK, if THAT'S what they have in mind then great....I'll wait, Obama has done much to gain the suppor |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-21-08 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
96. Playing the terra card is always a cover for self-interest. |
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