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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:28 PM Original message |
For those who value facts, Kerry ISN'T more polarizing than Hillary. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
1. Only in La La land is Hillary more polarizing. The days of Hillary being polarizing are long gone. |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I've got a simple challenge: Prove it! |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Prove yours first. You can't so you won't. Practice what you preach |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Like I said, change the subject. You posted the original thread, now back it up. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. You first |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. You're a horrible debator. If you can't back up your point, you shouldn't have launched the thread. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. In another thread tonight, you told me you loved me. Did you change your mind ALREADY? |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Change the subject? I said put up or shut up, and you can't. Thanks for lying, try again later. |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
114. I don't think that particular automaton was programmed to debate |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. You're a horrible debator. If you can't back up your point, you shouldn't have launched the thread. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
30. You already told me that |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
57. Why are you being so hard nosed? Kerry dumped in 2004, and thats the bottom line! |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 07:19 AM Response to Reply #57 |
66. Even now there is NOT the proof needed - the same team that pushed Gore to contest, told Kerry it |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #8 |
88. She already proved it - Kerry won more votes than any other Dem in history. If DNC had secured the |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. good luck with that... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 07:30 AM Response to Reply #16 |
67. Great analysis |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #67 |
95. thank you and thank you for your views! intersting points EOM |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #16 |
89. 2004 was post 9-11 media climate. 2008 is post Katrina and post Iraq Civil War reality. |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 08:14 AM Response to Reply #2 |
122. Why bother with snakes |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. did she become a man? n/t |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
29. How the hell did we all get in La La Land? |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #1 |
87. Kerry wouldn't be a fundraising tool like Hillary would be. Republicans consider him a joke. |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 08:12 AM Response to Reply #87 |
121. They think Al Gore is a buffoon in the eyes of the public? |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #121 |
125. Considering the way they still refer to him as having invented the internet |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #125 |
130. Perhaps you meant RW media? |
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adoraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
96. do you have any polling data? If not, stop making stuff up. |
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andromedo (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
4. Even in his state Kerry is polarizing |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. We're talking nationally, he'll win the Senate race easily. |
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andromedo (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
31. And how in the world would we know how polarizing Kerry is nationally? |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:16 PM Response to Reply #31 |
105. Latest Rasmussen has him at 60% approval rating, and he |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Kerry won re-election with over 80% of the vote |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
32. Not to mention, he won a Presidential Primary and a General Election (was cheated like Gore) |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #4 |
37. You said Kerry had 71% with Dems and 20% with Repubs in another thread. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 11:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
53. And, despite his, Ted Kennedy's, Patrick's and Caroline K's 'round the clock ads for Obama... |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 07:38 AM Response to Reply #53 |
69. During a time when Obama wasn't a household name, of course Hillary would win MA |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 08:02 AM Response to Reply #53 |
73. They started out as mush as 37 points ahead |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 07:47 AM Response to Reply #4 |
70. There are likely two reasons for that |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
5. John Kerry won in 2004 |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Of course he did. RE: Ohio |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Yeah that's why he's sitting in the WH as we speak (snicker) |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Tell that to Al Gore n/t |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Gore won, Kerry didn't. Take that to the bank. n/t |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. You choose to see some facts, but not others. Whats new? |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. York |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Kerry won, |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Yes, Kerry won. That was one heck of a 4 years he just put in (snicker) |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Gore didn't get a chance to serve either, and he won too. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Let me clarify for you: |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
48. Glad you ... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 08:06 AM Response to Reply #22 |
75. Kerry easily won the NOMINATION - |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
45. Both are polarizing |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Welcome to DU... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 08:39 AM Response to Reply #45 |
79. Interesting analysis |
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
36. Oh bullshit! |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
92. Whoops. Kerry actually did win. But Republicans steal well. |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
51. You can believe the truth, or believe the corporate media. |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
21. The problem with John Kerry is that he didn't fight the fight when he should have.... |
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politicasista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #21 |
33. Neither did the Democratic Party |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Right. The Dem party didn't fight for Gore or for Kerry. nt |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Well then maybe it is the Dem. party that is at fault... But like I said in my post... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. I completely agree. This is how I came out of the primary campaign liking both candidates more... |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Yep, me as well.... I was so upset when Kerry and Edwards did not fight that... |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:07 AM Response to Reply #43 |
81. So, you would potentially damage the party by having what would be cast as a |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 08:56 AM Response to Reply #21 |
80. "Knowing" and proving are two very different things |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
23. No one is more polarizing than Hillary Clinton. |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. BINGO! |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
40. Not so. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 09:01 AM Response to Reply #40 |
123. the only thing that stops hillary from being polarizing |
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Zavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
34. Recommended. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
35. Two national surveys in the last week of May had her beating McCain by a wider margin than Obama.. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Amen, Mookie. Thanks for proving Kerry2008 dead wrong AGAIN |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. How does that prove me wrong? The question was who was more polarizing, Kerry or Hillary. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. You could put the North and South Pole together and John Kerry would STILL be more polarizing! |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Mtnsnakes logic: Can't debate your point? Change the subject! |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 07:54 AM Response to Reply #44 |
71. The problem lies with the Democratic party. The party treats losers like |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Oh to be in the Adirondacks right now... |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. Nice picture! Mrs mtnsnake & I spent the 4th in an Adirondack fire tower watching fireworks |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. That is totally cool! |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:18 PM Response to Reply #35 |
107. That was AFTER the Right knew she would lose and held their fire on her. |
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andromedo (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
46. guys, you should learn to say "I have no idea" |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
55. *snort* |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 11:26 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. I'll see your snort and raise it by 2 chortles. |
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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-07-08 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
59. That's a cool stat and Obama can only build on his voting base... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
60. Kerry: Too boring to polarize... |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 01:26 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. That's a bad thing? |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #60 |
94. Boring? Thanks for a right wing talking point. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 01:18 AM Response to Original message |
61. Does it matter? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 01:24 AM Response to Original message |
62. agreed |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 01:25 AM Response to Original message |
63. Love your sig photo. |
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pecwae (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 07:03 AM Response to Original message |
65. Aren't the primaries over? nt |
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sourmilk (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
68. Sure, post the truth. |
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SeaLyons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 07:56 AM Response to Original message |
72. Kerry is a loser.... |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #72 |
86. Yeah, Kerry's a loser..I'm sure his PBR crew would really agree with you. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
74. Both are opinions, both are subjective, you are both being silly. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
76. ... just my two cents |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
77. This Kerry vs. Clinton shit needs to stop. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
78. Deleted message |
LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
82. It took me a minute to get the point of your post, if I did. |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. No, it's not about Clinton vs. Kerry for VP |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #83 |
91. I agree with that. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
84. They both have many of the same negatives. |
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GalleryGod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
85. Jesus...it's A$$wipe Paradise @ DUJHS, today. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
90. Maybe.................. |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. No, he won MORE than 18 million votes. |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:20 PM Response to Reply #90 |
108. Try 59 million votes. More than any other Democrat EVER ... until Obama gets more in November. nt |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. So some simple math....59 million > 18 million |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #108 |
115. In the primary, not the GE............ |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Well he won more votes than Hillary because he actually made to the GE. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #116 |
119. Oh please................ |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #119 |
128. Yeah fact still remains: He won, she didn't. |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
97. Kerry is only a bad pick |
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Super Soaker Sniper (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
98. Kerry is probably the only person |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. You just nailed it. |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. I'll second that. |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Kerry lost? News to me! I guess Gore lost too, then? |
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Super Soaker Sniper (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #101 |
112. In a word, Yes. |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #112 |
117. Gore and Kerry lost? Now you've lost all credibility. |
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Super Soaker Sniper (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. Apparently you did not read my post. |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #98 |
110. Luckily, I have FACTS that prove you WRONG: |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. Don't bother--facts mean nothing to these people in their anti-Kerry smears. |
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Phillycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 09:42 AM Response to Reply #98 |
126. A-freaking-men! |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
100. That's an opinion, not a fact. |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. It was a rebuttal to a previous post, but thanks for your opinion. |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Whatever it was a reply to must have been an equal waste of time and energy. |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:17 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. And yet you take the time to reply? Ooookkkaayyy then!! |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
113. Senator Kerry is only polarizing to the 28% or so that still think Bush is wonderful. n/t |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
120. True - Kerry's not a proven rampant liar like clinton. |
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Lucky 13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
124. "Fact" and "Truth" hasn't mattered to the folks you are arguing with for some time. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
127. Anyone who thinks he is needs mental help. |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
129. Kerry isn't polarizing at all. |
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