I support Obama's FISA vote!!!

[mckeown1128]

Believe me no one is more outraged than I am over this FISAsco.

But I voted and supported Obama to be the nominee because I trusted and still do trust him. If he feels that this vote is necessary in order to be elected than. I vote yes too. The damage caused by McCain would far out do the damage of this bill. I am fully supportive of Obama conceding this battle in order to win the larger war.

I don't believe that Obama would have voted for it if he didn't think it was a big liability. Especially do to the reaction. He has clearly lost a good bit of enthusiasm over this. I don't believe those that say it wouldn't have hurt him, because frankly your not spending the same millions that Obama is on strategists and polling. He knows what he is doing.

I think we should all support Obama on this difficult decision to support a bad piece of legislation. I understand some a truly disappointed and I understand but you have to put it behind you. This election is too important.

Also, I am very disappointed and frankly mad at the purity trolls who could care less about this issue and just see it as a bludgeon to attack Obama within DU rules. It's clear who those "concern" trolls are. They have been the same ones on DU over the past year who have attacked Obama on everything including BS attacks like Snub-gate and how-dare-his-wife-work-at-a-company-that-sells-pickles-to-walmart-gate You aren't fooling anyone.

You may not like my opinion(as I'm sure to hear) but I stand by it.

[bluestateguy]

1. Purity trolls

The kind of people who in high school would only go to the dance with the Homecoming Queen, rather than "settle" for the cute girl next door.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

8. Actually, the proper name for them is Nice Guys(TM)

As in "How come girls* don't give me a chance? I'm such a Nice Guy!"


*Hot babes that these guys always seem to think they are entitled to

I'm not sure what the parallel is to your analogy, though. :P

[bluestateguy]

16. I went out on a date with a hot blonde knockout once in 1999

I was so excited, but then she turned out to be a bitch: she was racist (regularly using the n-word), and seemed to be proud of the fact that she flunked out of college for drinking and partying too much.

There was no second date.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

21. I met a guy once who I thought was the most beautiful thing I'd ever seen

After talking to him for 15 minutes I couldn't stand the sight of him. Unfortunately, I had to work with him every day for 3 years.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

30. That's too bad, she sounds like a keeper...

[CoffeeCat]

32. As a former...

...Homecoming Queen, I'm not sure I get it either.

[msongs]

2. "purity trolls"? geez u people dont even stop after you win nt

[Joe Fields]

10. They are reduced to name calling.

It's getting so hard to defend the indefensible that they are actually spinning themselves right into the ground.

[mckeown1128]

17. I explained my opinion out...

I am calling people purity trolls because that is the DU friendly term for them. In reality there are much worse names I could use to describe these few folks.

I'm sick of them jumping on anything they can to attack Obama. The Fauxrage from them is offensively clear.

[MonkeyFunk]

36. Do you really think people here

have to go out of their way to object to FISA?

It's really not a stretch to find , democrats on a democratic board opposing FISA, late-term abortion bans, etc. etc.

[sandnsea]

3. It's John Conyers' bill

How come nobody is attacking him? Can you imagine if this were the Kerry/Feinstein FISA Bill? I couldn't come around here for weeks.

[vaberella]

26. Too true. You'd be black listed.

[MichiganVote]

4. What the hell is a "purity troll"?

[mckeown1128]

15. Purity troll: A demeaning term for those who are complaining...

about the purity of someone while ignoring the fact that no one is pure.

aka they don't care about the issue it's only important because they can attack Obama with it.

[MichiganVote]

19. Got it. Derivative meaning: people full of circular reasoning crap and little else.

[LVjinx]

37. Someone who *meant* it when they said they opposed FISA, NAFTA, etc.etc. etc.

[DevonRex]

5. I stand by Obama and understand completely why he voted the

way he did. At least he didn't dodge the vote like SOME Senator did back in February.

[JoFerret]

39. Is this the "no worse than

Hillary" defense?

There is also the "McCain would be worse" approach.

Is that where the bar is now?

Hey - it's where it's at. whatever.

Dems across the board in November is my mantra.

[VeraAgnes]

6. I'm embarrassed by his vote myself.

I can't defend this gross error. I need to hide out for awhile since I can not rationally enable Obama's vote on FISA!:shrug: :hide:

[indepat]

25. His/anyone's vote for would be pure male bovine excrement twice over

:D

[DarthDem]

7. I Do Too

Good post. Sad that some people just cannot get past this.

[VeraAgnes]

23. You mean like...............

say, Senator Russ Feingold....he can't get over and past this either.........

http://feingold.senate.gov/~feingold/statements/08/07/20080709.htm

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[panader0]

18. Obama = bush?/ You need a new forum buddy.

[Ytzak]

34. Obama voted to give Bush exactly what he wanted.

He failed to do as he promised.

He lie. I can't see the difference between one liar and the other.

[rg302200]

28. Then go away

If you are not going to help Obama get elected then there is room for you at Free Republic

[Ytzak]

35. I prefer a forum where a majority actually think for themselves...

and prefer their leaders to be honest and reasonably truthful. Obama made a choice to approve Bush's violation of the Constitution. That is a violation of Obama's oath to protect and defend the Constitution.

Obama lied to us about what he would do about the FISA bill. He says he is a different kind of candidate but has shown he will do whatever is expedient to win, which makes him the same type of candidate. He has called for change, but approved the rubber stamping of Presidential usurpation of power, which makes him the same as the Republican's that ran this country into the ground. He has shown that he simply can not be trusted. The only good thing I can say about Obama now is that he is preferable to McCain.

But that isn't enough.

[rg302200]

44. Isn't enough???

Christ on a crunch get a crip...

I could give two shits less about FISA because FISA won't do anything to help the economy...

FISA won't bring back my two cousins from Iraq...

FISA won't stop the out pouring of jobs overseas...

But Obama will...if you don't think Obama is not for change then you are sadly mistaken my friend and I hope that you will come to understand that there are just somethings more important to others. But that doesn't mean you give up the fight because you lost one battle!

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[rg302200]

dupe

n/t

[rg302200]

47. You said "Obama Can't be Trusted?"

Then what the F*** are you doing on this message board...go to free republic if you are not going to work to help him become president. There are enough Republican's willing to do that work so we don't need you around to help!

[Jack Bone]

11. I'm still "Bitter"

Give this 4 mins...

http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/35368-obama-stands-tall

[panader0]

12. Obama was in between a rock and a hard place.

I think he's against domestic spying and immunity for telecoms, but, how would that play into mccain's hand? Think of the political hay the repubs could make. "Obama soft of national security" etc, etc, etc. If we here at DU hold our candidate to the high progressive standards we share, we'll never have a Dem president. I tell those here who critcize Barack's vote to get off the computer for a few hours, go to a Wal-Mart or it's equivalent, and see how many folks out there do not share your progressive values. Wait til he's elected, then..........

[mvd]

13. I'm trying to remain positive

At least he voted for the amendments. He has not been giving in completely. In fact, he explained his recent Iraq comments well.

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[Labors of Hercules]

20. bad grammar aside...

kickety kick. :kick:

[midnight]

22. I wanted a leader, not a follower of bad legislation.

I wanted change in Washington.....

[vaberella]

27. When he has power, maybe you'll get it.

[Olney Blue]

24. I don't like his vote, and nothing will console me.

[rg302200]

29. I support him as well

n/t

[Skip Intro]

31. Sorry man, the constitution - your rights and mine - trump any politician's polticial well-being.

Someone said here earlier today that he was going to divorce his wife in order to save his marriage. Think it was BossHog. But he hit the nail on the head. I'll never buy the argument that we should give up rights in order to be better off. Not from you, anyone here, or anyone in DC.

There is something far more valuable than political strategy at stake here. I'm a little frightened that so many here would chose to ignore that.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

33. Sometimes people do get divorces, when they don't want to, out of necessity.

I have clients who live together as a married couple but got divorced so the wife wouldn't be liable for the husband's former wife's debts.

[LVjinx]

38. It's staggering how many democrats are willing to sell out the Constitution for one politican

[OkieD]

42. Why is it only the "Democrats"

that are selling out? Why aren't the Republicans up in arms over this?
Are they saying they won't vote for their nominee cause he voted for this bill? Is there something in FISA that implies that only democrats will be subject to it but not republicans?


I honestly am more afraid of what is happening with Iran right now, and I see this time and time again, get the people focused on some issue while they are up to something else entirely. They are masters of this slight of hand trick. Look, look over here....nothing to see over there.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

40. I am worried about this nation's future, frankly.

this sets the constitutional bar so low, that we might as well trash it. The idea that a democratic majority would cave in to Bush, and destroy the 4th amendment is so alien, so bizarre, that it means only one thing. The Ds in congress are protecting themselves.

once people, barack included, place their political futures ahead of the nation's well-being, our country is screwed.

[LuckyTheDog]

41. At worst, it was a tactical retreat

I totally agree.

[quaker bill]

43. The punchline

is that the 4th ammendment, as well as nearly all the rest of them, except for a curious reading of the 2nd, were fried the day Bush took office. FISA had nothing to do with this, and nothing the House and Senate could do, short of impeachment and removal, was about to restore the rule of law. This is the reason to elect a rational leader, and the essential problem with having an irrational one selected for us.

McCain is not about to bring these rights back.

Obama likely will, once in office.

You get to pick. No one promised you would be truly enamored of the choice, and in general throughout my life, I haven't been. But each time, I pick. I am fairly tired of losing.

[yellowdogintexas]

45. you have to always look at the big picture in politics. After he is elected

maybe he can get some of this stuff fixed. AFter all, he isn't going to be pushing for this type of crap in the way * has been for starters.

He isn't going to have Darth Cheney pulling strings either.