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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:08 AM Original message |
Hagel to endorse Obama, or so says |
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NC_Nurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
1. Excellent! |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
2. That would be a headliner! Hope it happens. nt |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
3. I wonder if this may help turn NE blue |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. The whole of NE, I doubt it |
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TheFarseer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
118. He's pretty unpopular here |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
5. He just said a couple weeks ago that he didn't have plans to endorse anyone-- |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #5 |
17. Maybe he intends |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
6. Clemons is one of the most low-key, reliable bloggers... more wonk than flash |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
7. I'm starting to think Obama/Hagel is a big possibility, |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Why don't we pair Obama with a Klan member |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Relax. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I'm perfectly relaxed - you say you're on board with gay people |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I'm on board with gay people, and I will admit I don't know much Hagel's |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. He's a vicious homophobe and he's anti choice |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Fair enough- then the guy is not a good choice. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Hs's sane on the Iraq war and on some national security questions |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. He's a "vicious homophobe"? Can you direct me to where he's |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Well your definition is wrong |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Read this, and tell me this is "vicious": |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. OMG, what a nutcase! n/t |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #22 |
30. How "vicious"! LOL |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:16 AM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Hagel has a 0% rating from the Human Rights Campaign |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Now there's an unbiased source.... |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Are you saying the Human Rights Campaign is lying about his votes? |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. No. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. He says he thinks marriage is between a man and a woman |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. And he said that's a personal belief. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. What does voting in the NE legislature have to do with it? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. I think he's a Virginia resident, actually. Not sure how that works, but he |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Part of ratification. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Here you go - from a biography |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. The horrors! Didn't Clinton sign DOMA into law? Didn't you support Hillary? |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Hillary advocates repealing it. Hagel doesn't. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Try as you might, you can't back up your claim that he's a "vicious homophobe"-- |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. They are only "wedge issues" |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. It certainly is when facts have to be stretched to |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. I believe human rights and civil rights issues are non-negotiable |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 03:50 AM Response to Reply #68 |
125. If someone doesn't believe that a group should have the right to protection from discrimination... |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #51 |
64. That is incorrect. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. No, you are incorrect |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. He voted YEA once, and most RECENTLY did not even vote. |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #40 |
55. So do I, indeed Mr. Hagel might be said to echo my own opinion on the subject extremely well |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. No but it should disqualify from becoming Veep |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. Why should that issue disqualify him? |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. If he believed that interracial marriage should be banned, would that disqualify him? |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Not the same thing. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. If you think it's not the same thing |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #60 |
75. Very well, Senator Hagel should not be Vice President. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. I thought Webb was the best choice |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. All good choices, I see no problem with any of them. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Well, I don't agree too much with hate-crime classification either, but |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #37 |
44. That's why I oppose "hate crimes" too. And that's the same reason why motive is |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #22 |
92. Isn't that Obama's stance exactly? |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #14 |
23. I know about his votes |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Here are his votes on a woman's right to choose and on stem cells |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. LOL! I'm personally pro-life, as a Catholic, but support legal abortion, since |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. You can LOL all you want, but most women don't find it funny |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Laughing at how the examples of "Hagel-evil" you keep providing |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #46 |
57. Indeed WD, |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #33 |
42. Did you read my post? |
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TheFarseer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
119. vicious homophobe is unfair |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. If Hagel is a real conservative, he would want the government to stay out of our bedrooms. |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #18 |
28. See a couple of posts above |
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Top Cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
122. Why don't we pair Obama with a Klan member |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #7 |
27. Completely disgusting idea. Falling for Republican tactic-- they say others must be bipartisan. |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
107. That would be one of a very few choices |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
8. Good he can be our Zell Miller this year |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
11. He can give our keynote, and tear the GOP apart. |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #11 |
29. I doubt he would be willing to do that |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #11 |
39. No. Keynote too important to give to the party of Destructive Incompetence. /eom |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
16. Hagel will be traveling with Obama to Iraq, along with Jack Reed. |
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papapi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
24. He has a long record of opposing abortion. He opposes gay marriage. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. See post 22. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #24 |
35. See post #31 and #33 |
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papapi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #24 |
45. Like I said: He has a long record of opposing abortion. He opposes gay marriage. |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. How many DEM politicians are for gay marriage? |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Hagel voted FOR cloture on the gay marriage amendment. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Voting for cloture is not the same as voting for the bill. Cloture is |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. So he is never wrong? Come on. I cannot forgive this vote and it does not even impact me personnally |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. LOL! He's wrong on LOTS of stuff. But a cloture vote is no biggie |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #63 |
79. It's a biggie to GLBT Americans |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. You support Jim Webb for VP, who supports DADT. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. My understanding is that Webb |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #85 |
95. Webb didn't believe WOMEN should serve in the military, for God's sake-- |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. Why is this one politician so important to you? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. Actually, I was going to ask that of YOU. I don't get the personal animosity |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Had he done |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. I understand that it is a very important issue to you |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. What I'm attempting to convey |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #91 |
104. Thanks for your answer, truly appreciated |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. True |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #56 |
70. That was 2004. In 2006 he didn't even vote on it at all. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #70 |
80. basic human rights are a huge issue to many |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #80 |
90. marriage isn't a basic human right. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. the right to equality |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. Lots of people are treated differently for lots of reasons... |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. If you're eligible for a driver's license, you get one |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Wrong. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Again |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. You are still very confused... |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #106 |
116. Property is a basic right of mankind |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 07:28 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. Property is not a right either. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. No, bud |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 08:37 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. LMAO. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #90 |
115. Deleted sub-thread |
Sensitivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
102. Dem Senator, Bob Casey has similar positions. These are persona values issues. Should they |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
52. wow, there are people defending the views and record of Hagel. lmao. nt. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #52 |
81. It's very, err, FreeRepublic-like, ain't it? |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. I doubt Hagel has many fans over there |
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snowbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 03:42 AM Response to Reply #87 |
124. Yeah, Inuca.. I think you may be right.... |
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frogmarch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
66. Fine, but |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
76. Sen. Hagel is an anti-neocon Republican - he absolutely loathes those evil bastards |
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writes3000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
84. As a gay person, I'm with Ruggerson on this... |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. I found this on a Hagel site... |
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writes3000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. I didn't say he's evil. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
88. WooT! Meet our next Secretary of Defense! |
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mucifer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
96. Hagel is anti environmental protection and antipublic health |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #96 |
109. dammit you beat me to that link :P |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
108. Is DU losing its fucking MIND?! |
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snowbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. DU doesn't have "one mind" |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. Aw, c'mon. I bet if we all pooled our brain cells we could come up with one. |
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Runcible Spoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 06:11 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. it's a figure of speech, obviously. |
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mtnester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 06:47 AM Response to Reply #108 |
126. Yes, it is |
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newmajority (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
111. FUCK that election stealing republican criminal bastard. |
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snowbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. Then again... |
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ShadowLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
123. Awesome, it'll help his bipartisan creds if it happens. But people against Hagel are overreacting |
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