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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 04:39 AM
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Obama drew loud applause Monday night at NAACP demanding blacks to take more responsibility

Responsibility Is Again Theme for Obama


Tuesday, July 15, 2008; Page A04

ADDRESSING THE NAACP

Responsibility Is Again Theme for Obama


CINCINNATI -- Barack Obama drew loud applause Monday night as he told one of the nation's most influential African American groups that he will press his call for blacks to take more responsibility for their lives.

"Yes, we have to demand more responsibility from Washington. And yes, we have to demand more responsibility from Wall Street. But we also have to demand more from ourselves," Obama told several thousand people attending the annual convention of the National Association of the Advancement of Colored People. "Now, I know some say I've been too tough talking about responsibility. NAACP, I'm here to report, I'm not going to stop talking about it."

He added: "No matter how much money we invest in our communities, how many 10-point plans we propose, how many government programs we launch -- none of it will make a difference . . . if we . . . don't seize more responsibility in our own lives."

Obama repeated a call for black parents to be more involved in their children's lives, but he stayed away from more pointed language, such as he used in a Father's Day speech chastising black fathers who were "acting like boys instead of men."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/14/AR2008071402448.html">Read the entire article here
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 05:19 AM
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1. ...and nobody cut his nuts off. Film at 11!
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 05:19 AM
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2. While we're at it...how about some others taking responsibility?
Like the heads of banks that made outrageous loans that have lead to huge losses for their depositors...or the corporate titans who guide their companies down the drain and run away with hundred billion dollar bonuses...or the people in the White House who have taken this country into a murderous phoney "war on terror"?
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 05:36 AM
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3. Obama spoke about this too in his speech.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 05:48 AM
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4. It's all there... Read his speech..
It is always humbling to speak before the NAACP. It is a powerful reminder of the debt we all owe to those who marched for us and fought for us and stood up on our behalf; of the sacrifices that were made for us by those we never knew; and of the giants whose shoulders I stand on here today.

They are the men and women we read about in history books and hear about in church; whose lives we honor with schools, and boulevards, and federal holidays that bear their names. But what I want to remind you tonight – on Youth Night – is that these giants, these icons of America’s past, were not much older than many of you when they took up freedom’s cause and made their mark on history.

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was but a 26-year -old pastor when he led a bus boycott in Montgomery that mobilized a movement. John Lewis was but a 25-year-old activist when he faced down Billyclubs on the bridge in Selma and helped arouse the conscience of our nation. Diane Nash was even younger when she helped found SNCC and led Freedom Rides down south. And your chairman Julian Bond was but a 25-year old state legislator when he put his own shoulder to the wheel of history.

It is because of them; and all those whose names never made it into the history books – those men and women, young and old, black, brown and white, clear-eyed and straight-backed, who refused to settle for the world as it is; who had the courage to remake the world as it should be – that I stand before you tonight as the Democratic nominee for President of the United States of America.

And if I have the privilege of serving as your next President, I will stand up for you the same way that earlier generations of Americans stood up for me – by fighting to ensure that every single one of us has the chance to make it if we try. That means removing the barriers of prejudice and misunderstanding that still exist in America. It means fighting to eliminate discrimination from every corner of our country. It means changing hearts, and changing minds, and making sure that every American is treated equally under the law.

But social justice is not enough. As Dr. King once said, “the inseparable twin of racial justice is economic justice.” That’s why Dr. King went to Memphis in his final days to stand with striking sanitation workers. That’s why the march that Roy Wilkins helped lead forty -five years ago this summer wasn’t just named the March on Washington, and it wasn’t just named the March on Washington for Freedom; it was named the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom.

What Dr. King and Roy Wilkins understood is that it matters little if you have the right to sit at the front of the bus if you can’t afford the bus fare; it matters little if you have the right to sit at the lunch counter if you can’t afford the lunch. What they understood is that so long as Americans are denied the decent wages, and good benefits, and fair treatment they deserve, the dream for which so many gave so much will remain out of reach; that to live up to our founding promise of equality for all, we have to make sure that opportunity is open to all Americans.

That is what I’ve been fighting to do throughout my over 20 years in public service. That’s why I’ve fought in the Senate to end tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas and give those tax breaks to companies that create good jobs here in America. That’s why I brought Democrats and Republicans together in Illinois to put $100 million in tax cuts into the pockets of hardworking families, to expand health care to 150,000 children and parents, and to end the outrage of black women making just 62 cents for every dollar that many of their male coworkers make.

And that’s why I moved to Chicago after college. As some of you know, I turned down more lucrative jobs because I was inspired by the Civil Rights Movement and I wanted to do my part in the ongoing battle for opportunity in this country. So I went to work for a group of churches to help turn around neighborhoods that were devastated when the local steel plants closed. And I reached out to community leaders – black, brown, and white – and together, we gave job training to the jobless, set up after-school programs to help keep kids off the streets, and block by block, we helped turn those neighborhoods around.

So I’ve been working my entire adult life to help build an America where social justice is being served and economic justice is being served; an America where we all have an equal chance to make it if we try. That’s the America I believe in. That’s the America you’ve been fighting for over the past 99 years. And that’s the America we have to keep marching towards today.

Our work is not over.

When so many of our nation’s schools are failing, especially those in our poorest rural and urban communities, denying millions of young Americans the chance to fulfill their potential and live out their dreams, we have more work to do.

When CEOs are making more in ten minutes than the average worker earns in a year, and millions of families lose their homes due to unscrupulous lending, checked neither by a sense of corporate ethics or a vigilant government; when the dream of entering the middle class and staying there is fading for young people in our community, we have more work to do.

When any human being is denied a life of dignity and respect, no matter whether they live in Anacostia or Appalachia or a village in Africa; when people are trapped in extreme poverty we know how to curb or suffering from diseases we know how to prevent; when they’re going without the medicines that they so desperately need – we have more work to do.

That’s what this election is all about. It’s about the responsibilities we all share for the future we hold in common. It’s about each and every one of us doing our part to build that more perfect union.

It’s about the responsibilities that corporate America has – responsibilities that start with ending a culture on Wall Street that says what’s good for me is good enough; that puts their bottom line ahead of what’s right for America. Because what we’ve learned in such a dramatic way in recent months is that pain in our economy trickles up; that Wall Street can’t thrive so long as Main Street is struggling; and that America is better off when the well-being of American business and the American people are aligned. Our CEOs have to recognize that they have a responsibility not just to grow their profit margins, but to be fair to their workers, and honest to their shareholders and to help strengthen our economy as a whole. That’s how we’ll ensure that economic justice is being served. And that’s what this election is about.

It’s about the responsibilities that Washington has – responsibilities that start with restoring fairness to our economy by making sure that the playing field isn’t tilted to benefit the special interests at the expense of ordinary Americans; and that we’re rewarding not just wealth, but the work and workers who create it. That’s why I’ll offer a middle class tax cut so we can lift up hardworking families, and give relief to struggling homeowners so we can end our housing crisis, and provide training to young people to work the green jobs of the future, and invest in our infrastructure so we can create millions of new jobs.

And that’s why I’ll end the outrage of one in five African Americans going without the health care they deserve. We’ll guarantee health care for anyone who needs it, make it affordable for anyone who wants it, and ensure that the quality of your health care does not depend on the color of your skin. And we’re not going to do it 20 years from now or 10 years from now, we’re going to do it by the end of my first term as President of the United States of America.

And here’s what else we’ll do – we’ll make sure that every child in this country gets a world-class education from the day they’re born until the day they graduate from college. Now, I understand that Senator McCain is going to be coming here in a couple of days and talking about education, and I’m glad to hear it. But the fact is, what he’s offering amounts to little more than the same tired rhetoric about vouchers. Well, I believe we need to move beyond the same debate we’ve been having for the past 30 years when we haven’t gotten anything done. We need to fix and improve our public schools, not throw our hands up and walk away from them. We need to uphold the ideal of public education, but we also need reform.

That’s why I’ve introduced a comprehensive strategy to recruit an army of new quality teachers to our communities – and to pay them more and give them more support. And we’ll invest in early childhood education programs so that our kids don’t begin the race of life behind the starting line and offer a $4,000 tax credit to make college affordable for anyone who wants to go. Because as the NAACP knows better than anyone, the fight for social justice and economic justice begins in the classroom.

But it doesn’t end there. We have to fight for all those young men standing on street corners with little hope for the future besides ending up in jail. We have to break the cycle of poverty and violence that’s gripping too many neighborhoods in this country.

That’s why I’ll expand the Earned Income Tax Credit – because it’s one of the most successful anti-poverty measures we have. That’s why I’ll end the Bush policy of taking cops off the streets at the moment they’re needed most – because we need to give local law enforcement the support they need. That’s why we’ll provide job training for ex-offenders – because we need to make sure they don’t return to a life of crime. And that’s why I’ll build on the success of the Harlem Children’s Zone in New York and launch an all-hands-on-deck effort to end poverty in this country – because that’s how we’ll put the dream that Dr. King and Roy Wilkins fought for within reach for the next generation of children.

And if people tell you that we cannot afford to invest in education or health care or fighting poverty, you just remind them that we are spending $10 billion a month in Iraq. And if we can spend that much money in Iraq, we can spend some of that money right here in Cincinnati, Ohio, and in big cities and small towns in every corner of this country.

So yes, we have to demand more responsibility from Washington. And yes we have to demand more responsibility from Wall Street. But we also have to demand more from ourselves. Now, I know some say I’ve been too tough on folks about this responsibility stuff. But I’m not going to stop talking about it. Because I believe that in the end, it doesn’t matter how much money we invest in our communities, or how many 10-point plans we propose, or how many government programs we launch – none of it will make any difference if we don’t seize more responsibility in our own lives.

That’s how we’ll truly honor those who came before us. Because I know that Thurgood Marshall did not argue Brown versus Board of Education so that some of us could stop doing our jobs as parents. And I know that nine little children did not walk through a schoolhouse door in Little Rock so that we could stand by and let our children drop out of school and turn to gangs for the support they are not getting elsewhere. That’s not the freedom they fought so hard to achieve. That’s not the America they gave so much to build. That’s not the dream they had for our children.

That’s why if we’re serious about reclaiming that dream, we have to do more in our own lives, our own families, and our own communities. That starts with providing the guidance our children need, turning off the TV, and putting away the video games; attending those parent-teacher conferences, helping our children with their homework, and setting a good example. It starts with teaching our daughters to never allow images on television to tell them what they are worth; and teaching our sons to treat women with respect, and to realize that responsibility does not end at conception; that what makes them men is not the ability to have a child but the courage to raise one. It starts by being good neighbors and good citizens who are willing to volunteer in our communities – and to help our synagogues and churches and community centers feed the hungry and care for the elderly. We all have to do our part to lift up this country.

That’s where change begins. And that, after all, is the true genius of America – not that America is, but that America will be; not that we are perfect, but that we can make ourselves more perfect; that brick by brick, calloused hand by calloused hand, people who love this country can change it. And that’s our most enduring responsibility – the responsibility to future generations. We have to change this country for them. We have to leave them a planet that’s cleaner, a nation that’s safer, and a world that’s more equal and more just.

So I’m grateful to you for all you’ve done for this campaign, but we’ve got work to do and we cannot rest. And I know that if you put your shoulders to the wheel of history and take up the cause of perfecting our union just as earlier generations of Americans did before you; if you take up the fight for opportunity and equality and prosperity for all; if you march with me and fight with me, and get your friends registered to vote, and if you stand with me this fall – then not only will we help close the responsibility deficit in this country, and not only will we help achieve social justice and economic justice for all, but I will come back here next year on the 100th anniversary of the NAACP, and I will stand before you as the President of the United States of America. And at that moment, you and I will truly know that a new day has come in this country we love. Thank you.

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080714/NEWS0108/305250001/1055
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 05:50 AM
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5. Thanks for posting.I also posted the video(full speech) here...
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:19 PM
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35. Yes, and how about the parents of other than AA taking more responsibility?
As far as I can remember my parents and grand parents worked and worked hard. My children are working hard at two jobs. It's easy for a group of fairly well-off blacks to say these things. Many forget that their "taking responsibility" was really getting the boost from the civil rights foot soldiers who endured miserable hostilities from both blacks and whites. What does "take responsibilty" really mean. I am with Obama about parents becoming more involved in their childrens' lives but it can be damn difficult when parents are working two jobs, one is going to school and grandparents are too sick to help out. What many might need is a helping hand from those who have been more fortunate for whatever reason. There will always be a certain segment of all groups who will not live up to their greater good, but by in large most blacks that I know are taking responsibilty for their lives, working hard, trying to guide their children, and still getting pissed on.
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 06:57 AM
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6. Sigh... he did NOT say BLACK PARENTS, but PARENTS. I wish people would stop marginalizing him...
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:26 AM
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7. Oh, how we do love these little sermons on "personal responsibility"
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 07:35 AM by kenzee13
An article by Kevin Alexander Gray sums up the code in these sermons - it was written in response to Obama's Father's Day speech, but just substitute "parents" for "fathers" and it applies:

http://www.counterpunch.org/gray07112008.html

Vilifying Black Men to Win Favor with the Man

Why Does Barack Obama Hate My Family?
By KEVIN ALEXANDER GRAY

Early in the campaign year, Obama used one of the oldest racial stereotypes in a speech to black South Carolina state legislators: "In Chicago, sometimes when I talk to the black chambers of commerce, I say, 'You know what would be a good economic development plan for our community would be if we make sure folks weren't throwing their garbage out of their cars'.” Translation; black people are dirty and lazy.

One would think getting money is a better plan.

Then, the day before the Texas primary, he let loose again, in a predominantly black venue: "Y'all have Popeyes out in Beaumont? I know some of y'all, you got that cold Popeyes out for breakfast. I know. That's why y'all laughing. ... You can't do that. Children have to have proper nutrition. That affects also how they study, how they learn in school." Translation; black people are fat, stupid and lazy.

How would people respond if John McCain (or any person of a different race, nationality or ethnicity) threw out stereotypes like these? What would we say if a white person had stood in the pulpit of a black church, or anywhere else for that matter, and referred to black men as “boys,” in any context?


All over the world, in time after place, we see that where people can live in a reasonable degree of security, with access to life-sustaining resources and opportunities for meaningful, productive work that sustains families, most people behave "responsibly" according to whatever "responsible" means in that particular culture. If, for instance, the culture devalues girl children, then female infants will be abandoned by parents who would be "responsible" with a male child; if the culture permits it, less-than-perfect infants of either sex will be exposed to die by "responsible" members of society. Where violence and poverty and hopelessness are the norm for a majority, many parents who would be "responsible" under more favorable conditions will give up. And yet we persist in calling for "personal responsibility" from people in circumstances that make such "responsibility" near-impossible. We point to the exceptional few who manage to do so, forgetting that few of us are exceptional.

We have had at least three generations of total abandonment of our inner cities to violence, inescapable poverty, a "war on drugs" that cycles the unemployed and unemployable population in and out of prison, wretched schools, hunger - all in the midst of a media culture that tells everyone they should be driving a new car, shopping for this or that, eating out, and living in a sweet colonial-style suburb with a green yard and a golden retriever for the kiddies. But somehow, it is "personal responsibility" that is to rectify these and many other institutional social injustices?

I know why Obama is making these pandering, trite, predictable, statements. They are required by the deep and abiding racism in this country. By our thirty years of indoctrination in bootstrap mentality. By our unwillingness to see ourselves as wage-slaves only a few paychecks from poverty ourselves. By our need to see ourselves as better than the "other" and independent of our culture/peers. By our knapsack of white privilege.

* Let's look to our politicians to craft the programs and legislation that address poverty and violence, and trust that most people, given half a chance, can then behave responsibly.

*on edit, as I was interupted and hit post inadvertently

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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:42 AM
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10. I'm getting sick and tired of his racist pandering.
That is all it is. Everytime he gets in front of a predominately black community, he makes the same speech. And the people he talks to our mainly middle to upper class blacks. He isn't even giving this lecture to the people who need to hear it. This sort of things demonstrates a lack of understanding regarding urban sociology. It may make some white folks happy for the time being, but it ain't gonna win him jack because he is still black when the day is over. If he went before Hispanics and everytime he did spoke about illegal immigration and getting tough on them about illegal immigration and telling them they need to be more responsible, he would stop being invited because they would see it as a racist pander. If he went before predominately white communities and spoke about racism each and every time, he wouldn't hear the end of it.

He needs to stop it. I don't care what a bunch of bourgeoisie black folks at a NAACP convention says. Regular black people will not appreciate it.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:47 AM
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12. He's spoken before black audiences where this wasn't the message
Regular black people don't seem to have an issue with it when other black speakers say the same thing.

btw, what's a regular black person?
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:30 AM
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19. A regular black person is someone who is not so delusional as to he class issues that lead to some
of the behaviors bourgeoisie folks think black folks in the lower classes just can't help themselves from exhibiting. MOST black folks are hard working people who TAKE CARE of their kids!
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:47 AM
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23. I guess I'm one of those "regular black persons"
I have a problem with what he said. Jesse has said the same thing. Most preachers say the same thing. Now it's a problem because Obama says it.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:04 AM
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15. what do you mean by "regular black people"?
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:32 AM
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20. see #19
The conventional wisdom exhibited among the MSM is that black people seem to be a monolithic and that all of us are stuck in this continual status of single parenthood and irresponsibility. MOST BLACK FOLKS aren't. I would appreciate that when politicians come to speak to my community, they come correct with policy proposals they actually have control over.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:08 AM
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16. "Regular black people?"
Uh huh . . .
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:33 AM
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21. I gotta go but I will respond adequately when I can.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:16 AM
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17. I'm a black Hispanic and I agree with Obama 100%!
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Spouting Horn Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 08:21 AM
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43. Medicine doesn't always
taste so good.

Obama has the bully pulpit and he is using it wisely, IMO.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:32 AM
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8. I really don't see the point in him harping on this theme.
It's outside the scope of a President's powers.
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gblady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:43 AM
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22. i think
it's totally in the realm of the whole theme of his campaign...
people taking personal responsibility for their lives and for the government...
change happening person by person, block by block, city by city, state by state...
building from the bottom up...begins with personal responsibility for one's actions.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 08:39 AM
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44. um
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:34 AM
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9. Jesse Jackson would have gotten those applause if he had done so when he ran for President
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 07:34 AM by Freddie Stubbs
Ditto on Al Sharpton.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 07:45 AM
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11. And he did
He made the same type of speech when he ran and on numerous occasions. That's the hypocrisy of Jeckson's comment.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:03 AM
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13. Then perhaps he is just jealous because Obama is succeeding where he failed
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:04 AM
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14. That's what I think it is
Obama didn't kiss his ring and get his blessing.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:35 PM
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36. What if the media and some others had given Jackson the same kind
of treatment they gave Obama? Jesse did pull many white voters, especially farmers and the poor. He gave essentially the same message but it was characterized as militant and divisive by whites and blacks looked at his situation as hopeless because of this. Obama received the benefit of coming from a mixed parentage, the media support and the support of those who pumped him up for one purpose: to help defeat Hillary Clinton. He has served his purpose well. He is the candidate I will vote for but not with blinders on. It is to the point now where blacks dare not even take what their own culture of humor, satire, and wit as something to hold onto. The "N" word which was originated and defined by the oppressor was stripped of its hurtful meaning when blacks took it and made it ordinary parlance of humor and wit...a sort of "bro" word where they could show affection with it and laugh about it, totally thwarting the intention of the bigots who meant it for their own stereotypical purposes. Blacks have done this with many stereotypes but not it is not fashinalbe to use this form of humor to our advantage. I'm not talking about the gangster rap crap that degrades here so don't get it twisted. For me, a stereotype only becomes a burden when those it is intended to defame take it seriously as to grant it some kind of truth. Anyone ever laugh in the face of a bully to see him totally disarmed? I remember well the first time a classmate in elementary school called me the "N" word. I laughed so hard and said you are really stupid while cracking my sides. He started crying because I was laughing....oh, well, it was only 3rd grade then. Of course, we are all so much more advanced than 3rd-graders...sigh.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 07:22 AM
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38. Did Jackson get the majority of white voters in ANY state?
:shrug:
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Max_powers94 Donating Member (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:20 AM
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18. As a AA from Atlanta he is 100% right on.
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GihrenZabi Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:51 AM
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24. Disingenuous?
Does anyone find it odd that a multi-racial man is chastising blacks?

I understand that in America, being multi-racial usually means getting lumped into the disadvantaged half of your racial identity more often than not...but I've been feeling for a long time that calling Obama America's first "black" candidate is somewhat disingenuous. He isn't.

What advantages, if any, did Obama have as a result of his mother being white? Did he truly face all the same challenges a black man in America would have faced being raised by a black mother in a black neighborhood? Can someone who has read his books speak to this for me? How educated was his mother? How much money did she make? What economic class was he in as a child?

Considering so many of the problems of the black community are a result of their economic condition, unless Barack has been through precisely the same wringer, I would think there is something teetering on offensive in his comments such as these...yes, individual responsibility is key in life, but there's societal responsibility as well. Once a population swells to a certain size if wealth is not redistributed by the economic system in place, there are just fewer and fewer seats at the table of prosperity, and no amount of individual effort is going to assure you of financial success/stability.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:00 AM
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26. Like many African-Americans, he knows what it is like to grow up without a father
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:15 AM
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28. I don't find it odd. I don't think he's chastising
and I don't think he's disingenuous. Because he's multi-racial doesn't mean he can't speak on this subject. Yes he's multi-racial but he's still black.

All black people in America were not raised in the ghetto or in poverty. Some aren't even raised in "black neighborhoods".

He wasn't raised in wealth. He got a scholarship to a prestigious school in Hawaii but he lived with his grandparents in a 2 bedroom apartment. His mother was well educated who lived abroad for many years leaving his grandparents to raise him. She was an academic and did not make a lot of money.

I find nothing offensive regarding his comments.
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brindis_desala Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:26 AM
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30. I agree to a point, but having read Obama's books I think
his view reflects the pain of being abandoned by his father whose own injured pride (he was brilliant, talented man with great intellectual integrity) led him to neglect his family.
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GihrenZabi Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:06 PM
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32. But...
Who's talking about his not having a father? Lots of white, Asian, Latin, Native American, you-name-it kids don't have fathers.

That doesn't qualify all of them to address the NAACP.
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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:17 PM
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33. Barak looks black ... so he IS black.
That's how it works in this country, and even you acknowledged it. No matter how well he conducts himself as an upstanding citizen, those determined to demean blacks will still try to "put him in his place". THAT makes him part of our struggle and as a black American, I embrace him wholeheardetly.

I'm really questioning your motives as you keep driving this home. You seem like a Hillary supporter who is trying to disrupt things.




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Chloroplast Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 01:53 PM
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37. I beg you pardon?
Actually, you don't understand anything about being 'multi-racial'; a vast majority of Black Americans are of mixed heritage but it doesn't make them any less Black. Obama is a Black man and identifies as such; his mother being White doesn't mean that he was exempt from racial bigotry. And what do you mean by "problems of the black community are a result of their economic condition"? Please explain. Single-parent households? Not exclusively AA. Drugs? Not exclusively AA. Gangs? Teen pregnancy? Grandparents raising grandchildren? Neither are exclusively AA. So what exactly is you point when it comes to Obama speaking out about responsibility? He is the perfect person to speak on taking responsibility for his actions: he grew up poor and fatherless, graduated from some of the nation's top schools and is campaigning to become Leader of the Free World. So please tell me, how is he unqualified to speak on the issue?
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BigDaddy44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 07:46 AM
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39. Are you saying he isn't black enough?
So, a guy who's half black isn't black enough to "chastise" blacks? How about a guy who was 3/4 black? 7/8 black?
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 07:47 AM
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40. Maybe you are unaware.... but multi racial children face
more hatred and stigma then all out black or latino children... so don't even try to push the Obama doesn't understand because his mother was white. I highly doubt that he had a care free childhood. Especially with his father gone and in a society that veiws mutli racial children negatively.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:53 AM
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25. Great
This is now the second speech Obama has done urging African-Americans to "take responsibility." In & of itself that's not a problem. But if he doesn't balance that out by speaking out against discrimination, poverty, systemic racism, etc. then he's not a whole lot different than the Republicans. They're big on "personal responsiblity" too - believing that poverty, unemployment, suffering in general is your own fault & not governmnent's responsiblity to help.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:03 AM
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27. But he's never said that govt. doesn't have a responsibility
He's not the only black person that has said this.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:18 AM
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29. Read the text of the speech
He did all that...the media just chose to focus on the part where he talked about personal responsibility.
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:44 AM
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31. All he said is that people need to take a greater responsibility for their own lives
And people here think hes at fault for saying that? Jesus, get over yourself.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:18 PM
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34. HE DID NOT SAY BLACK PARENTS.......THANK YOU!!!!!!
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mckeown1128 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 07:49 AM
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41. You are right... unfortunetly some want to find a "hidden black message"
behind everything Obama does. If Obama is saying parents need to be responsible... its a message only to "black parents" according to some, even if it isn't what Obama has said or done. They are just looking for a reason to attack him... again.
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MrsT Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-08 08:14 AM
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42. Relax people, the media knows how to yank your chain
Read the whole speech, it is good.

Personally, I agree with all of it and I even qualify as a "regular black person."
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