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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:43 AM
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LTG Robert G. Gard, Jr.: Marketing a Myth: How John McCain Actually Got The Surge Wrong
http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1599

Marketing a Myth: How John McCain Actually Got The Surge Wrong
by: Lt. General Robert G. Gard Jr. (USA, Ret.)
Mon Jul 14, 2008


To hear John McCain tell it, you'd think the fall-off in American casualties in Iraq is due solely to his foresight and foreign policy experience. It's amazing to me just how many people have bought the McCain line, even those who should know better. "As we now know nearly four years later," a Newsweek commentator recently noted, "McCain was dead on in his analysis of what went wrong in Iraq ... McCain was so right that, among military experts today, the emerging conventional wisdom about Bush's current 'surge' is that if had occurred back then -- when McCain wanted it and the political will existed in this country to support it for the necessary number of years -- it might well have succeeded."

What a bunch of bunk.

Since the beginning of this year, military experts that I've talked to argue that the fall-off in violence in Iraq had almost nothing to do with the increase in American troop levels -- and everything to do with actually talking with and supporting the previous insurgents. Recent published reports confirm that talks with the insurgents began all the way back in December of 2003, when military officers met with Sunni insurgent leaders in Amman, Jordan. Not only that, but when those talks were actually opposed by the administration, the military went ahead with the talks anyway.

But don't take my word for it, go back and read what General David Petraeus told the Congress in April of 2007, before the surge was actually in place. Back then, Patraeus told the Congress that the levels of violence in Iraq were down significantly and that "the tribes" were the key to that transformation. Let me repeat that: recruiting the Sunni tribes (and not the surge) has been the key to success in Iraq, along with the stand-down of the Mahdi Army. Patraeus is not alone in his thinking. The tribes of Anbar joined U.S. forces, according to U.S. Captain Jay McGee -- an intelligence officer with the 69th Armored Regiment -- because "everyone is convinced Coalition forces are going to leave and they are saying, 'We do not want Al Qaeda to take control of the area when that happens."

This isn't exactly new information. Dozens of American newspapers and magazines have documented how the military recruited Iraq's Sunni tribes as our allies -- the same tribes that had once been fighting us. And all of this began before the U.S. increased the number of troops in the country. So let's stop taking John McCain's claim, his myth, at face value. The increase in American troops in Iraq had nothing to do with defeating the Iraqi insurgency and everything to do with actually talking with them. To claim otherwise is to market a myth and it's time for John McCain to acknowledge it -- to give credit where credit is due: to those fine officers of our military who decided to talk, even as the administration continued to beat the war drums.

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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:49 AM
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1. McCain is a media created myth.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:57 AM
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2. Exactly. Everything they praise him for is either a thing of the past that no
longer applies - like the "maverick" label, or it's just plain inaccurate.
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wmbrew0206 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:09 AM
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3. The general is partially right and partially wrong
Enlisting the Sunni Tribes did help in reducing the violence in Sunni held areas.

However, the increased troops levels help reduce the violence in both Aunni and Shia held areas.

Also, the combination of the "Awakening groups" and the increase number of US troops in Sunni areas, allowed coalition forces to not only drive insurgents out of densely populated areas like Fallujah and Ramadi, but also to put a troop presence out in the countryside to where insurgents tried to flee after being pushed out of the populated areas.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:10 AM
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4. I wouldn't second guess the general but have real problems with
everything McSame says. He's been known to stretch-h-h the truth quite a bit.
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wmbrew0206 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 09:06 PM
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11. After reading this article, I think the general is more than a little off.
Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 09:07 PM by wmbrew0206
First, Gen. Gard retired in 1981. He does not have any first hand experience in Iraq, so he is relying on people who he talked to. He does not quote any of them. The one person who he does quote is an intel Captain for 3-69 CAB and it is a single quote not given in context. (FYI, I know the Capt quoted in the article. We were in Ramadi at the same time in '07).

Second, the general does not get his facts totally straight about surge. He said "in April of 2007, before the surge was actually in place..." That is not correct. All the Surge units for Al Anbar province, the area where the Awakening began, were in place by March of '07. The follow on BCT's that did not show up till April, May or June were not slated to go to Al Anbar. (3-69 CAB turned over their AO in downtown Ramadi to 2/5 Marines in March and then where tasked with security north and west of the Ramadi). The main reduction in fighting the general is talking about was in Al Anbar and happen because of a combination of the Awakening and the Surge troops.

Third, the general fails to note the difference between the indigenous insurgency and the insurgency made up of foreign groups, ie AQI. While talking to the indigenous insurgents was a major step in starting the awakening, the extra US forces were necessary to help the indigenous insurgents, who formed the awakening movement, fight the battles that pushed the foreign fighters out of their areas. This was a major effort and the Awakening Tribes could not have done it without US support or the extra troop strength.


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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 11:18 AM
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5. Kick, just to reinforce what a liar McSame is. nt
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 11:19 AM
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6. John McCain is full of bullshit.
Period.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 11:25 AM
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7. Happy to agree with you there, kentuck!
:toast:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 11:28 AM
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8. besides talking with Sunni's and also Shite and giving them money for
security there is another obvious hole in their logic.

One of the main reasons that civilian violence is down in Iraq is that the ethnic cleansing which accounted for a majority of the deaths and kidnappings has worked. Most neighborhoods now reflect a single ethnic identity.

You could also make an argument that violence against Christian churches has declined significantly. They are all closed.

There were 25 practicing congregations in Baghdad and all but one has been closed - and they now meet in secret. By McCain standards since there are no more attacks on congregations the current Iraqi situation is very favorable to Christians.

Most Christians however are sitting in Syria.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:33 PM
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9. Hello? John McSame is WRONG!!%$##% nt
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NattPang Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 08:40 PM
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10. John McCain was wrong about the surge.
Sounds like a good letter
to get started.
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