This is Clark's big news?

[Hawkeye-X]

His economic policy?

What a letdown.

Dean wouldn't even bubble it for two weeks.

:eyes:

[wndycty]

1. Sorry to disappoint you. . .

. . .you know Clark could walk on water and some of you will criticize him for not being able to swim. Thanks for your concern, hopefully we can win you over should we secure the nomination.

[Hawkeye-X]

2. *shrug*

I was thinking more of an important endorsement.

Guess it didn't take... Dean would announce a major policy speech in ADVANCE, and not leave us hanging for whatever the news is...

Hawkeye-X

[NV1962]

5. So, were you really expecting an endorsement today?

Gee, I'm sorry - they must have misspelled those big "tax proposals coming soon!" signs... But the proposals were formally announced yesterday, and "hinted at" since last week.

Too bad you missed them, and that as a consequence you were impertinently reminded of what Dean coulda woulda. Profound apologies for that, too.

Mention of taxes and the IRS can have strange effects on people...

[Cocoa]

17. says something about Clark

his priorites are on the policies, not hype and the horserace.

It's funny to see people imply that a candidate's policy is less important than his endorsements.

[Clark Can WIN]

27. I'll take an overhaul of the tax code and a simple 3 line form

Over a silly endorsement any day.

From the official site

Wes Clark's Plan is Simple.

Under Wes Clark's plan, families will only need to fill out a simple, three-line form to find out if they need to pay federal income taxes, providing their income, number of children, and marital status. And the majority of families will no longer be required to file tax forms.

Wes Clark's Plan is Responsible.

The plan will provide $33 billion annually in tax relief for working families. This will be paid for without increasing the deficit by:

A 5 percentage point increase in the tax rate only on income over $1 million per year. This surcharge, which could be used only for working family tax relief, would not apply to the first $1 million of income or to any capital gains - so it will not affect 99.9 percent of taxpayers.
Closing corporate loopholes, including the ones that Enron took advantage of to unfairly cut its taxes.


Sounds good to me.

[dkf]

24. Endorsement came earlier: Sherron Watkins of Enron.

For a while Clark people thought it was Hillary or Bill, but I guess the Clintons are going to keep their word and stay out of it.

[Clark Can WIN]

30. Sharon Watkins........ WHISTLEBLOWER of Enron

Just thought I'd point that out, 'case some folks didn't know. :hug:

[BeyondGeography]

3. Middle class tax cuts, strong on defense

versus middle class tax hikes and went skiing during Vietnam.

Get ready to rumble.

[Hawkeye-X]

6. no sir..

Restoration of Clinton-era tax base is what Dean is proposing, not a tax hike. Stop spinning Republican talking-points please.

Big whoop for Wes who served in Vietnam. Dean provided the medically necessary information to the Army, and they ISSUED Dean a Y-1 classification. Did you know that Dean tried to apply for the Officer Candidate program? No. Well, he did.

Hawkeye-X

[BeyondGeography]

12. Good luck with that

You've got a candidate who swears up and down there was no middle class tax cut under Bush. I think he'll be able to find a few families who disagree.

Dean's tax plan is a political disaster for the Democrats.

[Hawkeye-X]

15. Let me show you something.

Bush's tax cuts, as disastrous it was, provided NO middle class relief - why?

Local and state taxes went UP
Utilities bills went UP (Let me give you a comparsion - last year's December electric/gas bill was $123, this year's December doubled to $243 for NO reason)
Insurance premium went UP
Cost of living expenses went UP

Thus, nullifying *'s "middle class" tax cuts, COSTING middle-class folks more money.

What Dean is planning to do is RELIEVE them of the burden and condition the states to lower the taxes down as a restoration plan.

Look at www.bushtax.com and you can see why Dean's plan works.

Hawkeye-X

[Bombtrack]

14. Actually, Dean didn't try to apply for officer training

he THOUGHT about applying

now that's innitiative

[libview]

25. Wow, I'm definitely voting for Dean now.

I didn't know he "thought" about applying!! That's good enough for me.

[Clark Can WIN]

36. Big whoop for Wes who served in Vietnam?

That tude will really help rally the vote among the millions of vets and their families. :thumbsdown:

Escpecially since Dean himself admitted he "probably could have served". If you dodged, have the balls to admit it and stand up for your decision.

[TLM]

42. I live in a family of vets...

In fact I'm the first male of my family not to serve in a war in America.

Why? Because I have a Y-1 condition. I have bad knees. I can still walk and run and live my life... hell I could even go skiing if I had any interest in that sport at all. But the military would laugh me out of any induction physical because of my knees.

Guess in your eyes that makes me less of an American.

That's another reason I do not want military leadership who think of civilians as lesser people in a civilian leadership position.

[burning bush]

7. Get ready?

Been ready. Been rumbling. And if you hadn't already noticed, been ahead.

So, where was Wesley last night?

The rumble went on without him....

I guess Wesley believes that you can't lose if you don't play, eh?

[burning bush]

10. Lets talk about lives...

how many are ruined by a general, and how many are saved by a doctor.

[BeyondGeography]

11. Ask the people of Kosovo

the ones who credit the General with saving their lives.

[Bombtrack]

16. same anti-military Dean-supporter speil

those generals in world war 2 fighting for the allies really ruined alot of lives huh?

[funky_bug]

31. 1 million +

That's the number of Albanians whose lives were saved by a general.

On the flip side, we have malpractice insurance for doctors.

[BootinUp]

37. Hi Wife_of_a_Wes Freak!

Welcome to DU. Love the nick

:hi:

[funky_bug]

44. Thanks

My husband told me to watch your posts very carefully. He respects your opinions and ideas very much. It was nice to see your nod.

[KaraokeKarlton]

18. Clark wants more tax cuts?

We can't afford more tax cuts! What the hell is he smoking?

[Hawkeye-X]

20. Well, Clark is of the supply-side economic school of thought

and you know who else is in it?

I'll give you three guesses, the first two are used up.

Hawkeye-X

[Name removed]

40. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[KittyWampus]

22. Apparently You Have NO IDEAS What Clark Proposed

so why are you commenting?

[KaraokeKarlton]

26. I responded to a Clark supporter who said he wanted to cut taxes

are you the DU post police or something? I'll post when, where and about whatever I so choose, thanks.

:eyes:

[w13rd0]

4. Hey man...

...no one expects the spanish inquisition!

[NV1962]

8. You rang?

:evilgrin:

[sandnsea]

9. Well it just hit CNN

That was quick. So it must be worth something.

[Rose Siding]

13. They really hyped it last week, didn't they?

[Meritaten1]

19. Clark's tax plan is revolutionary

Unlike other plans, e.g. the Bush tax cuts, General Clark's proposal would benefit the people who need tax relief the most-- working families with children. The "working poor" have been overlooked by the Bush administration.

You can shrug about this announcement, HawkeyeX, but a lot of voters will consider this proposal to be big news. (I guess I'm one of them!) I'm so tired of Republican politicians squawking self-righteously about "compassionate conservatism" while passing economic measures that send the working poor and their children ever deeper into poverty.

I think General Clark's proposal is great. He shows concern for the most vulnerable people in society. And this tax proposal demonstrates that General Clark's commitment to equitable tax relief is genuine.

[Hawkeye-X]

21. Another tax cut that we can't simply afford..

The supply side theory is practically a Republican model, which is what Mr. Clark is using.

Hawkeye-X

[BeyondGeography]

32. It's fully paid for by raising taxes on

those earning over $1 million and closing corporate tax loopholes.

Supply side is trickle-down economics. Flood the rich with new wealth and we all benefit. This is P-R-O-G-R-E-S-S-I-V-E.

Find another line of attack; this one's not working.

[sfecap]

35. Which corporate tax loopholes is he proposing to close?

n/t

[BeyondGeography]

38. Corporations moving out of the U.S.

don't get a tax break anymore for screwing us out of jobs and money.

Gotta problem with that?

[sfecap]

43. Moving their entire operation out or just their headquarters

for tax purposes?

[Cocoa]

23. what a bore Clark is

imagine, thinking that proposing an economic policy is important in the campaign! /sarcasm

[deminflorida]

28. Dean's Big News....Coming up Jan. 12 just before primaries...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3869798

Wow the cover of NewsWeek, Just before the voting begins...I can't wait!

[Hawkeye-X]

33. And we're getting a Bradley endorsement tomorrow

and I think I know who the big news is for Jan 12th. Hint: it'll bring in even more Iowans.

Hawkeye-X

[BootinUp]

39. Ouch!

I haven't read the whole thing, but doesn't look like a friendly piece at all.

[KittyWampus]

29. This Is What Passes For Political Commentary?

a gratutious and completely vacuous statement to start this thread off?
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Message
"This is Clark's big news?"
Posted by HawkeyeX
His economic policy?

What a letdown.

Dean wouldn't even bubble it for two weeks.

:eyes:
................................................................................................................................................
Were you really looking to start a discussion or to flame Clark?
Is this the best you can come up with regarding Clark's proposals?
Didn't you see the pre-existing thread discussing this topic?

[Hawkeye-X]

34. I was pointing out how the Clark camp was bubbling this news

for more than two weeks.

First it was December 26th, then 29th then finally came out today.

Hawkeye-X

[TLM]

41. Yeah I get the feeling something fell through....

Like they thought they were going to get some endorsment tht they did not end up getting.

[Moderator]

45. Dupe

Please continue here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=65047&mesg_id=65047

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