"Obama could be so loved in Europe that it may cause resentment in Appalachia and other places

[jenmito]

that are more 'isolationist' and care more about our economy and OUR issues." (paraphrased, but the sentiment of Andrea Mitchell right now). He can't win no matter WHAT he does! :eyes:

[anonymous171]

1. I think Obama has written off Appalachia for the most part.

Luckily, McCain doesn't really have any appeal there either.

[jenmito]

3. I agree. But the MSM keeps criticizing EVERYTHING he does. If he went to campaign

in "Appalachia," he'd get criticized for "ignoring his base" or something else.

[Peacetrain]

50. Oh God don't you know it!

They were after him yesterday because he is not funny enough.. everyday something bizarre for them to harp on.

[Indenturedebtor]

60. I've had enough of "funny" presidents

Hahaha I ruined your economy and took a crap on the constitution hahaha. :grr:

[Peacetrain]

77. Me too.. especially those with a "frat house"

mentality. (frat houses as in those that conjure up a TOGA PARTY frame of reference )

[rox63]

7. That's an awfully big swath of the country to write off

From PA through VA, TN, KY, parts of VA and the Carolinas.

[anonymous171]

8. "For the most part"

Not completely. That would be very stupid.

[cbc5g]

13. The core Appalachian states...WVA, TN, KY we don't need em

Obama is automatically going to lose there because he is black.

[Clark2008]

41. What the fuck does Tennessee have to do with your rant.

We came within 3 percentage points of electing a black man to the Senate.

We weren't on TV saying, "I don't trust him because he's black."

And, to be honest, there has been ONE lousy poll taken in this state since April and it shows McCain at 41 percent and Obama at 36 percent. Hardly a blow-out on McCain's part.

[Alexander]

57. He should have the Clintons camp out there for him.

We could even win a couple of those states with their help.

[anonymous171]

61. My sentiments exactly! nt

[tekisui]

78. Obama should write off the M$M, too.

What a fucking waste they are.

[Recursion]

80. No, he wants (and needs) VA and TN

[jenmito]

81. TN? No he doesn't. Lookie here-he doesn't even NEED VA:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

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[jenmito]

10. He can, but similar comments have been made about his probable successful trip overseas

being seen as "elitist" and "internationalist" and whatever negative words they could find.

[cbc5g]

38. Deleted message? God forbid someone tells the truth about the majority of Appalachian voters

I've lived there, I go to school there. I think I know how Appalachian voters think, just a little bit. Sorry if it offends people.

[Clark2008]

43. I live here and I don't think like that and neither does half my office.

Your generalizations are just as bigoted as you think we are about black people.

[Midlodemocrat]

55. .

:applause:

[jenmito]

64. I don't know why that post was deleted...

I certainly didn't complain about it. :shrug:

[blogslut]

4. Andrea Mitchell commenting on the "little people" is the very definition of irony

I am betting that seeing the future president of the United States being embraced by the world is going to make all of us feel better. The only ones that have "concerns" are the MSM yappers who are jealous and scared shitless of the end of media consolidation.

[WhiteTara]

14. please tell me she said that! n/t

[blogslut]

22. Well, I don't know if she called them little people

But this Appalachia horsecrap is code for "non-rich, non-important-until-it's-voting-season people"

[rox63]

18. Mrs. Alan Greenspan has no standing to comment about the "little people" n/t

[tishaLA]

54. Remember: Mrs Greenspan got in trouble for calling

western Virginians "rednecks." Some western Virginians, Mrs Greenspan was shocked to discover, find the term offensive and she had to apologize on her little-watched MSNBC program.

[nsd]

5. A lot of Americans realize that Bush has diminished America's influence in the world.

This trip will be a big boost for Obama because it will demonstrate that he can restore America's standing. The people who would resent this aren't going to vote for him anyway.

[jenmito]

21. I agree...

and I said the same thing a minute ago that those people who resent that aren't going to vote for him anyway.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

6. I hate to say it but that worries me too.

There is a large segment of this country that is very xenophobic and defensive. Back in 2004, there was an effort on the part of Europeans to write letters to Americans to encourage them to vote for John Kerry. It backfired. People who got the letters were pissed. How DARE those furriners tell ME how to vote!

[jenmito]

15. Well, anyone offended that he's loved by the majority of the world wouldn't vote for him

anyway most likely.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

20. Oh I agree

But watch the MSM find several of those ignoramuses to interview while Barack is overseas.

[jenmito]

23. I'm sure they WILL search out those people to interview. It shouldn't sway anyone with

MORE than half a brain, though.

[Clark2008]

47. Of course it did!

Look, Southerners don't like it when Northerners move down here and tell us what to do. Why would we want someone from another country doing it?

I know it seems irrational on our part, but it's not. Southerners feel like the red-headed step-child even though we've done more to improve race relations in the past 30 years than any other region in the country, yet we're vilified, ridiculed and mocked (look at this board).

This is how the Republicans got a strong-hold in the South over the past 12 years - it wasn't "racism" or "God, gays and guns." It was the fact that Republicans gave the South some lip-service and came out to "protect" us.

Now, you and I both know the Republicans haven't done a damned thing to protect or help the South, but they've made a big SHOW of it and convinced people that they have.

That's why Democrats make few in-roads in the South. They are constantly accusing us of bigotry, backwardism and prudism. Even the most liberal amongst here take offense when we're all stereotyped as that by our party.

The Democrats need to come down here and FDR us and, guess what, more Southern states will turn blue than you could shake a stick at.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

71. The "Southern Strategy" was all about racism

You are correct that the South has by no means cornered the market on racism, that's why calling it a Southern Strategy was a bit of a misnomer. The effort was directed at white voters all over the country. And it worked.

[amandabeech]

87. Obama needs to FDR a few places outside the South, too.

n/t

[TexasObserver]

9. we won't win anywhere family trees don't fork

but first cousins do

[BklynChick]

11. gawd I'm so sick of this particular narrative already... so old! and why can't the MSM see it as a

positive? why always the negative spin?

[jenmito]

25. They have to spin EVERYTHING he does as a negative, or at least raise the question if it could

"backfire." NOW Andrea's saying how the PALESTINIANS were upset with Obama after his speech to AIPAC, and Mike Brzezinski is saying it may be risky to leave the country at this time when the economy is so bad, blah blah blah.

ETA-In the next breath, Mitchell said the ISRAELIS have doubts about him and his commitment to ISRAEL. MAKE UP YOUR MIND, MSM!

[NatBurner]

12. jeez louise

my prediction: the msm will make hay about the euro tour, until grumpy, if history serves, makes the same trip a week later.

then they'll conveniently forget their obama criticism, and hail the mummy as some great "statesman"

[NattPang]

16. Did McCain's visit cause resentment in Appalachia

as he was there pimping the Colombian Free Trade agreement?

Did the Corporate media ask this question then?

I don't think so.

[jenmito]

27. If it did, the media covered it up!

[Fleshdancer]

17. The MSM is "concerned" about the most ridiculous things lately

I guess they're just doing whatever they can to make this a tight race for the sake of election night ratings, but this is getting absurd.

- Will Obama be too well liked in Europe?
- Is Obama raising too much money?
- Not enough money?
- Why can't Obama take a joke?
- Will Appalachia resent him? -- REALLY? This is what you bring to the conversation Andrea? Really?

:wtf:

[anonymous171]

19. I didn't know that Mrs. Greenspan was an expert on Appalachian culture.

[Avalux]

24. OMG. Are you serious?

So if Obama goes to Europe and is greeted by crowds of cheering people wherever he goes - that's a BAD thing? The MSM is horrible.

[jenmito]

26. Yup. "There are really a lot of RISKS here with this trip!"

:eyes:

[NattPang]

28. I know!

The Corporate media keeps reminding us of those "risks".

And the Three Network Stooges are going to go and make
sure they are the first ones to report on any "Gaffes".

[jenmito]

29. Now Mika's asking an Obama surrogate if the trip abroad may hurt him since the country is

focused on the economy right now (as if it wasn't focused on the economy BEFORE now).

[NattPang]

30. I think that just waking up breathing might hurt him

if it was up to the corporate media.

[jenmito]

31. Well, it DOES have its risks...

he has to then follow that up with ANOTHER day waking up breathing.

[Cosmocat]

62. YES it is horrible ...

this is a no brainer, frankly ...

I will be honest, for all the good it will do him - frankly, does it do ANY good ??? It provides the MSM with VERY, VERY, V E R Y easy right wing fodder - an entire week of Joe Scarboro starting the day off by cackling about Obama and France ...

His campaign has been far more brilliant than not, but in no way shape or form should he be anywhere in Europe during this campaign ...

[scheming daemons]

32. LOL..... I'll take my chances. Frankly, as someone who lives in the "Capital of Appalachia"

...otherwise known as "Pittsburgh".... I say...


FUCK Appalachia.


They're old ditto-heads anyway.

[jenmito]

33. I like your attitude...

And at least he has ONE supporter in "Appalachia" (a term I hadn't heard of until Pat Buchanan started using it over and over when describing Obama's "big problem"). :eyes:

[didact]

65. PITT SUCKS

:rofl:

[scheming daemons]

67. Welcome to DU, Hoopie

Get your free MBA yet?

[mod mom]

34. With our economy tanking I believe the people in Appalachia have other concerns on their minds other

than how Europeans respond to Sen Obama.

Somehow I don't picture folks in Appalachia being political junkies following the Senator's every move. I believe the same with most of the folks in my non-Appalachian community.

[Cha]

35. It smells like andrea mitchell pulled that one

outta her a$$.

[jenmito]

42. She's just doing what all the others in the MSM are doing...

yesterday they were all questioning whether he has a lack of sense of humor that could hurt him. :eyes:

[NYC_SKP]

53. ...and it's a bottomless hole.

Must be a requirement for the job over there.

[demnan]

36. Jim Webb would set her straight on that one

He would take that as an insult to his people.

[Cha]

48. The Dems like Webb et al need to

co-ordinate a rapid response to the Fascist Media.

Do they question whether mccain is fit for duty in any way shape or form?

The US m$$m needs to be capped at their goebbel loving knees.

[Eurobabe]

37. Obama is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't

He should do what he feels is right, instead of letting a wet finger in the wind dictate his every fucking move. I am so sick of the media criticizing him. :grr:

[jenmito]

45. Exactly. He's NOW being criticized for NOT changing his goal of getting troops out in 16 months...

since I guess the "flip-flop" tag didn't stick, now McCain's camp claim Obama is Bush-like and "has his feet in cement" regarding the timeline, and we don't need another president who doesn't take into account changing facts. :rofl:

[GreenPartyVoter]

39. Oh, good Lord!

[Overseas]

40. Glad Andrea Mitchell is in touch with Appalachian sentiments !!

Hey, could be an opening for John Sidney McCain III. Maybe he and Cindy could go to Appalachia to buy another home for their collection.

[Virginia Dare]

51. Miss Andrea wouldn't know an Appalachian if she tripped over them.

with her Manolos.

[babylonsister]

44. I heard that noise, too. Damned if he does... it's so apparent

to me what the m$m is doing. Any kind of negative vibe they can throw into an Obama headline gets them brownie points with their corporate leaders.

[jenmito]

46. And THEN they have the nerve to claim Obama gets the most coverage! Yeah-but it's

NEGATIVE coverage while McCain gets a pass for every big blunder, lie, and flip-flop he makes!

[Cha]

59. How many Soldiers from Appalachia

are dying on the killing fields of Iraq? The mainstream mediawhores need to be held accountable for their goebbel approach to reporting.

[elehhhhna]

49. Yeah, the appalachians pay soooooo much attention to European trends and interests...

we shoudl have thought of this before. LMAO

[NYC_SKP]

52. I swear that if I see Andrea Mitchell on the street...

I'll bite her ankles. I will.

[Barack_America]

56. OH NOES! Now they won't vote for him TWICE!

We are doooommmed!

[PatGund]

58. I think the media is worried....

That Obama will just show up to the entire world how much of an IDIOT Bush was

[kskiska]

63. He may be loved by the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, too

Don't forget the disproportionate number of black troops, in addition to soldiers who just so happen to be Democrats.

How will Andrea spin that?

[Lord Helmet]

66. I wouldn't lose any sleep over Appalachia.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

68. So, do you

really think Appalachia would embrace Obama, ever? I don't think anyone ever assumed he would pull the racist Appalachian vote --- Yes, I said racist... so shoot me. I don't think anyone else takes it as a negative to have Europeans actually like him. I also don't remember the Appalachian voters ever deciding a presidential race.

[jenmito]

73. No, but she said "that are more 'isolationist' and care more about our economy and OUR issues..."

She was the first person who mentioned "Appalachia" while many others have said similar things about it being a possible negative for Americans who are more concerned about our economy than our relations with other countries. I agree that there are racists there (as demonstrated by the number of people in certain states who said they'd never vote for Barack HUSSEIN Obama (among other ignorant things.) He's leading in the polls despite that minority.

[SidneyCarton]

75. Not this year, maybe in 2012.

If things get better for these people, who knows. After all, WVA has a Dem governor, 2 Dem senators and went for Clinton in 1996, these people aren't monsters, we shouldn't characterize them as such.

[flpoljunkie]

69. Jen, you have pegged them right! Obama can't win with the 'good' reporters of the 'Lap Dog' Express

[jenmito]

74. Thanks, flpoljunkie. Yeah-it's McCain the media clearly wants to win.

[scarletwoman]

70. Ah, Andrea Mitchell -- so in touch with the heart of Appalachia & the concerns of the common man.

Can't we please just exile these pundits to their own desert island somewhere?

Gaaaaah! :puke:

sw

[barack the house]

72. A popular president, heaven forbid that. Obama has to greet the world it's just necsssary.

[jenmito]

76. But who wants an "elite internationalist" who will have tea with our enemies

and care more about the Europeans than us? :sarcasm:

[SoCalDem]

79. BFD.. people who would not vote for him, might like him less now??

:rofl:

[redstate_democrat]

82. They find something odd about this black man possessing a passport

and going overseas. :eyes: HE is speaking in EUROPE and people there will LIKE IT? Call the cops. This just ain't the way it's supposed to be!!!11!!

[jenmito]

83. Exactly. Unbelievable how biased the MSM is against him. n/t

[jenmito]

84. Candy Crowly: "With the economy going south and gas prices so high, he can be seen as out of touch.

And the Europe card has to be played carefully-he can look TOO cozy." (Paraphrased, but part of a package that's been running throughout the whole day).

[davidsharon]

85. Ludicrous

Those in Appalachia are thinking about electing someone who will get us out of Iraq, lower gas prices and solve most of our problems. Traveling to Europe will certainly not make them change their minds.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

86. Surely Mrs. Greenspan knows we're in a global economy.

[zulchzulu]

88. Don't Appalachians (who love Bill Clinton) mind he was loved in Europe?

I'm sure the same people were upset when JFK was greeted by Europeans with cheers... It sounds like Andrea is pissed she couldn't get to go.

[NattPang]

89. They can send her to West Virginia,

where she can interview some more of those
Barack HUSSEIN Obama sign carrying fools.