Dean debunks the ads by the Denver Group....wind out of sails.

[madfloridian]

From Open Left. Dean gives a good debunking to the stuff going around from PUMAs and the Denver Group about the convention.

Chris Bowers interview with Howard Dean today.

When asked about the ads criticizing him and Speaker Pelosi for Clinton supposedly not being on the ballot at the convention, he scoffed. Clinton will be on the ballot at the convention, and will be speaking there. Dean indicated that the rules were so clear on this matter, that the groups running these ads and spreading these rumors must be associated with the other internet rumors going around, such as Obama being a Muslim. He also speculated that McCain supporters might be behind these rumors.

Short and sweet.

[ieoeja]

1. Bottom line: Denver Group knows nothing.

I thought it was odd when I first read about Hillary not being on the ballot. All it takes is one delegate to get on the ballot.

Good to hear Dean confirm that, in fact, the Denver Group was talking out their ass to create a faux outrage.

[madfloridian]

3. There's been lots of that outrage around. Tiring

The party needs to speak out more on this issue.

[blogslut]

2. I love Howard

Short and sweet, indeed. :)

[madfloridian]

7. And very clear words as well.

:hi:

[Cha]

4. A thing of beauty..

The Denver group shows their colors by protesting a Voter Registration Drive.

Who gets helped by thwarting votes? repukes.

[JuniperLea]

5. Yup

Who gets helped by pushing a wedge? Repukes again... go figure.

Every time we see a wedge issue raise its ugly head, you can bet it's a Repuke ploy.

[NatBurner]

6. right?

i mean, how do you protest registering new voters?

they defy logic

[Cha]

13. Groups like these don't think they need

no stinkin' logic 'cause they have the mainstream corporate media behind them.

[madfloridian]

14. You just may be right.

No telling anymore who they are. Pathetic.

[Lord Helmet]

8. way to go Dean

[madfloridian]

9. Agreed.

:hi:

[PatGund]

10. So that money that "The Denver Group" *wasted* on ads......

...could have gone instead to, oh, helping to pay down Sen. Clinton's campaign debt?? Wow. Great use of funds.

Betcha that "The Denver Group" and the various PUMA echo chambers are gonna spin this as they forced Dr, Dean to back down and make it a great victory for their side.

[madfloridian]

11. Oh, yeh, the money could have gone there.

:hi:

[madfloridian]

12. Just went to the Denver Group site. They apparently have not heard this yet.

They are so proud of their handiwork, and there are more comments now praising them and offering to donate.

:eyes:

[PatGund]

15. I would not be surprised if they never acknowledge it

It's easier to try and get donations than admit they blew the money on meaningless ads.

Or they're trying how to spin it into a "victory"

[Egalia]

23. Yeah, but

the msm keeps on reporting that the question of whether HRC will be on the ballot at the convention is currently being negotiated by the Obama and Clinton camps. It's odd to hear Dean say this after so many media reports have told a different story. It's not always easy to tell who has the correct story.

[PatGund]

16. Never mind....

They have an "Open Letter" to Dean. And yeah, it's face-saving:

<i>"No need for you to speculate, Dr. Dean. We are happy to tell you exactly who we are, what we expect of you and the DNC, and why your comment that Senator Clinton's name will be on the ballot is not enough. Senator Clinton's name must be put in nomination, not just "on the ballot" and the roll call vote to be a real honest and open opportunity for superdelegates to do their job under DNC rules and select the nominee at the Convention. Just saying that Senator Clinton's name will be on the ballot is not going to fool anyone. Being on the ballot counts for nothing if a candidate's name is not placed in nomination. More than 18 million Democratic voters would be pleased to hear you say publicly that there will be an open convention with Senator Clinton's name placed in nominaton and an open roll call vote."</i>

*faceplant* Are Heidi Li Feldman and Marc Rubin clueless, delusional, or stupid? Or do they think others are??

[madfloridian]

18. Is that at the Denver Group?

Good Lordy, they are being nasty.

[PatGund]

20. It is indeed

http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/2008/07/open-letter-to-howard-dean-from-denver.html

And the comments are spinning it as a great victory.

[madfloridian]

21. Thanks for the link. They are proud of their defiance....feeding on it.

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[PatGund]

22. They are indeed.

It gets worse too. Clinton just moved to distance herself from certain of the anti-Obama "hillraisers". Their response?

http://blog.pumapac.org/2008/07/16/god-will-guide-the-hand-of-judgment-that-will-strike-you-down/

"Senator Obama’s supporters asked Hillary Clinton to publicly distance herself from a long-time Hillraiser fundraiser and loyal supporter, Ricki Lieberman, who is working day and night to save our party from a landslide loss in November by highlighting the weaknesses of Obama the candidate. Senator Clinton promptly complied.

Perhaps we should ask Senator Obama to “distance” himself from his supporters who are threatening women who oppose him with death? What do YOU think HIS response will be?

THE OBAMA MOVEMENT’S CALL FOR DEATH TO WOMEN WHO OPPOSE HIM ..."

[madfloridian]

24. This is really sickening.

Good for Hillary, but she needs to do more of this distancing. Do you suppose she is aware of the full extent and ugliness?

If they respond like that they must not be her real supporters.

[PatGund]

25. Oh I agree.....they're not real supporters

And I also agree, Sen. Clinton needs to do more to denounce and distance herself. These people are hurting her as well.

I was reading the comments on the Huffington Post article on Sen. Clinton distancing herself:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/16/clinton-distances-herself_n_113094.html

Someone pointed out to a PUMA type that Clinton herself is NOT supporting their actions. Quote: ""Hillary does not support YOU all ....she supports Obama"

The supporter's response:

"We. Don't. Care.

So save your breath, and your bandwidth."

So they claim to be Sen. Clinton's "supporters" - but have NO interest or care at all in what Sen. Clinton WANTS them to do.

[vaberella]

19. Dean even said she's speaking. What the hell is this?!

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[madfloridian]

26. From MyDD....post and comments. Only one person can stop this stuff.

And that person is Hillary. The thinking it so convoluted, so warped, that they are blaming everyone including Donna Brazile and Dean. Read the post, then the comments.

Hillary can make her position very clear to them. Then they have no leg to stand on.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/7/17/162947/339

After Dean debunked it, they posted an open letter...and from the comments you can see that it is just continuing to fester.

[PatGund]

27. Dean's debunked them.....

....and Sen. Clinton is starting to refute and denounce them.

So I expect they will reinvent themselves again. And I suspect they will even start to denounce Sen. Clinton.

Case in point, from the comments in the Huffington Particle about Sen. Clinton denouncing Rikki Lieberman:

"How many times do we have to say it. THIS IS NOT ABOUT EITHER OF THE CANDIDATES.

It is about the corrupt DNC leadership and corrupt nominating process, the unfair reflection of votes cast, the pure thuggery on the part of Obama supporters (I know all about it, I was booed and called a racist right on the steps to my polling place for wearing a Hillary button)

We will press on even if Hillary herself comes out and denouces us. If she chooses to be on the side of tyranny, then that is her choice."

So, originally it was about Sen. Clinton. That didn't gain traction. So now it's the supposely "corrupt" DNC. And they're willing to even throw Sen. Clinton under the bus. So much for being her "supporters"

[madfloridian]

28. They will just change their tune to suit the circumstances.

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[PatGund]

29. Exactly

PUMA and No Deal is no longer about supporting Sen. Clinton.

They are now pretty much completely about hating Sen. Obama.