Hillary being nominated at the convention actually is a show of UNITY, not division *JOINT STATEMENT

[jefferson_dem]

Hillary being nominated by name at the convention actually is a show of UNITY, not division:

Statement from the Obama and Clinton Press Offices

August 14, 2008

Since June, Senators Obama and Clinton have been working together to ensure a Democratic victory this November. They are both committed to winning back the White House and to to ensuring that the voices of all 35 million people who participated in this historic primary election are respected and heard in Denver. To honor and celebrate these voices and votes, both Senator Obama's and Senator Clinton's names will be placed in nomination. “I am convinced that honoring Senator Clinton's historic campaign in this way will help us celebrate this defining moment in our history and bring the party together in a strong united fashion,” said Senator Barack Obama. Senator Obama’s campaign encouraged Senator Clinton's name to be placed in nomination as a show of unity and in recognition of the historic race she ran and the fact that she was the first woman to compete in all of our nation’s primary contests. “With every voice heard and the Party strongly united, we will elect Senator Obama President of the United States and put our nation on the path to peace and prosperity once again,” said Senator Hillary Clinton. Senator Obama and Senator Clinton are looking forward to a convention unified behind Barack Obama as the Party’s nominee and to victory this fall for America.

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/08/the_hrcbho_convention_compromi.html

[PBS Poll-435]

1. She forced him to do it. She threatened to ruin the convention if he didn't fold

What is wrong with her?















:eyes:

[tedoll78]

3. Wow.

Where was that part in the statement? I didn't see that part.

Quit pulling things out of your ass.. unless you have some sort of proof to back them up.

[PBS Poll-435]

7. Hmm...

Maybe I should have included the sarcasm thingy...

:shrug:

[tedoll78]

10. Err..

sorry. Things are so ridiculous around here that I'd believe that someone means such things.

Time to get the sarcasm detector totally re-placed. :freak:

[PBS Poll-435]

14. This is the craziest day on DU - GDP since....well...um....

Yesterday.

[leftynyc]

29. With threads like this one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6634886&mesg_id=6634886

It's easy to get sarcasm impaired.

[LittleClarkie]

46. How about waiting until someone says it instead of saying it yourself

so you can roll your eyes at invisible opponents.

[emilyg]

36. What is wrong with you?

First election?

[PBS Poll-435]

50. Ahem...

Sarcasm, my dear.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

55. Sadly, I don't think that was obvious enough.

There are too many posters on DU who actually believe things like that.

[monmouth]

2. Unity? Hmmmm. I will be missing the convention the night she's on.

Please, just make them both go away...

[my3boyz]

19. I will not listen to a damn thing either Clinton has to say. I will skip both speeches

because they are both liars that don't give a damn what happens to the Democratic Party.

[PBS Poll-435]

21. Your loss

:eyes:

[monmouth]

23. Agreed, there's nothing either of them has to say that would interest me either..n/t

[roguevalley]

54. I have extreme clinton fatigue and the two jar head supporters on

Hardball that said even this wasn't enough aren't helping. My family split down the middle over this duo and we still haven't come together. My mother died shortly after having a phone fight with my brother over these shits. They never reconciled and he has this on his heart for the rest of his life. Don't lecture me on how good this is supposed to be. I have no interest or strength left for Clintonian bullshit.

[peacebird]

4. this is a bad, bad idea. It just ensures that the Clinton drama will be*the* news

...sigh...

[The Magistrate]

5. That Is Abundantly Obvious, Sir

It takes very hard work to read this as anything but a forthright display of unity in the Party and co-operation between the two former rivals.

[ronnykmarshall]

11. ANOTHER PUMA!!!!

PUMA! PUMA! PUMA! PUMA! PUMA!

Sir, you are nothing but a big ol' PUMA!!

Shoo! Be gone with ye!

[WeDidIt]

18. I won't believe it until I see it n/t

[DevonRex]

25. I agree. I'm still nervous about it, but not about Barack and Hillary.

Mostly I'm nervous that nothing will appease some people and once the roll call is over, all hell will break loose. Doesn't take a lot of people to ruin a party, they just have to be loud and rude.

And those few people will be the ones the news cameras will be focused on.

And maybe everything will go smoothly and it will be a wonderful time of unity. I'm going to try to concentrate on that scenario.

[stray cat]

6. I think it truly might be a good thing if played right -

[ronnykmarshall]

8. PUMA TRASH!

I KNEW IT ALL ALONG!!!

You thought you were SOOOOOOOO smart during the primary with your "support" for Obama.

Well, the mask has been taken off and horrible drooling PUMA face has been shown to the world.

Good DAY, sir!

[jefferson_dem]

16. Quoting from my second favorite movie of all time doesn't make it hurt any less.

"I said good day!"

Please, just keep FiFi on a tight leash.

[ronnykmarshall]

20. Chi-Chi

and thanks for remembering!!

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

9. So what? Obama is just another PUMA... who cares what he says?

:sarcasm:

[Lucinda]

34. LOL

[wndycty]

12. Yeah who is the bigger person here? The candidate who shares the stage or the former candidate. . .

. . .who demands a place on the stage?

Just asking.

[PresidentObama]

13. I don't agree with what you have to say, so I'm going to label you PUMA.

Sound fair?

[Marrah_G]

15. BUT SHE IS TEH DEVIL !

It's apparent that Obama is being blackmailed by the Mighty Clenis !

[PBS Poll-435]

17. TEH CLINTINS HAVE FBI FLIES!!!11!!

[DevonRex]

26. Marrah, you're in fine form today. :)

I love this joint statement. I'm still kind of nervous, but it's about some of the crazies who may manage to get in. And I don't mean Hillary's past supporters, but those repukes who might want to make a spectacle for the cameras. You know, like that crazy lady, Harriet something or other, who wasn't even a democrat but got all that air time? Our luck she'll show up again. Grrr.

I've really been trying hard to be positive, though. Heh, I even alerted on an anti-Hillary thread the other day that was really obnoxious. Kinda proud of myself. :) Because even though I know it's the right thing to do, I've usually just avoided those threads instead of alerting.

So, how do you like my new leaf? Quite stylish, even though I do say so myself.

[Marrah_G]

28. You are looking Spiffy!

Actually, I have a little cold and the cold meds make me silly :)

These threads are just cracking me up. People have so little faith in Obama, like they think he is stupid, or unwise, or easily manipulated.

It's SO over the top silly that I can't even get mad anymore. I just laugh at them in sort of the same way I giggle at the "moran" guy.

I am quite confident the Convention will go off without a hitch and any disruption will be dealt with quickly and quietly.

It's a very pretty leaf!

[DevonRex]

35. I chose a shiny deep green Hawthorne leaf. :)

Sometimes the best way to read stuff here is with a wee bit of codeine. But my favorite is when I have a really horrible migraine and wind up taking my pain medicine. Then everything is much more jolly.

I really hope the team on the ground here is combing through the lists of folks who want tickets to make sure the people who get in really are democrats. I'm sure they are, because I got a call myself the other day and that made me feel a lot better.

One thing I'm tired of is the whiplash. Some days I'm really upbeat and confident. Other days I'm more nervous and susceptible to the negative nellies. I wish I could just sleep until election day sometimes.

Get better soon! Until then, I hope your kids spoil you.

[Max_powers94]

22. Ok I Don't like this but I would go along with this. The Clinton's better behaved...or

:spank:

[Arkansas Granny]

24. Absolutely. However, some are so blinded by their hatred of Senator Clinton that

they cannot see what a good move this is. They believe that Senator Obama is qualified to be President of the United States, but they don't trust his judgment in matters dealing with the Democratic Party. How do you explain that?

[mod mom]

27. Did you ever think our distrust of HRC may be based in fact? Read this and research

the facts for yourself (THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE CLINTONS, BUSHS', BCCI AND THIS WTI IS JACKSON STEPHENS). The diary connects you to it's sources if you are interested in discovering why so many on DU are not fans of either Clinton:

Ask Hillary About This Tonight. I Dare You.


Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 03:40:46 AM PDT

Several days ago I posted a diary about the WTI and Von Roll Toxic Waste Incinerator. Because I posted it the same day as the South Carolina Primary, several Kossacks have asked me to repost.
Instead of duplicating the diary, I have added some new developments, and data.

While I was writing the original piece on the history of this foul project, a new ruling from the Ohio EPAallowed this incinerator, located 1,100 feet from an elementary school, to accept even more hazardous waste (anthrax, radioactive waste, infectious medical waste and mixed hazardous waste from Hurricane Katrina) than the original permit that was shrouded in corruption and approved by the Clinton Administration

Clinton and Al Gore promised the residents of East Liverpool, Ohio that they would not allow this incinerator originally approved by Bush '41 to operate. However, a Clinton EPA appointee, recommended by his classmate Hillary Clinton, approved the permit.

This is a tangled tale of corporatism, broken promises and an environmental disaster waiting to happen.

-snip
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/31/21045/9822/688/446786


There has always been something incongruous about Stephens Inc. Despite the Little Rock firm's attempts to portray itself as a small- city operation that closes for the duck season and got fabulously lucky on a couple of down-home deals like Wal-Mart, it was, at the incinerator's inception, the ninth-largest investment bank in the country. Since it is not headquartered in New York, its dealings are local news, little noticed by the national press, even when they have national implications. And, as a source close to the company once remarked, "The farther you get from Arkansas, the better it looks."

Stephens Inc. was founded by Witt Stephens, a state legislator's son who parlayed a Depression-era belt-buckle, Bible, and municipal-bond business into an immense personal fortune. After his retirement in 1973, the company was run by his shy younger brother, Jackson (a classmate of Jimmy Carter's at the Naval Academy). Witt Stephens and Stephens Inc. did much to create the economic paradox that is modern Arkansas: a desperately poor state with a scant 2.3 million inhabitants that is nonetheless home to a number of wealthy companies. Without the financial assistance of the Stephens brothers, Sam Walton might have ended his days as the most innovative merchant in Bentonville. Stephens money was also important to the fortunes of enterprises as various as Tyson Foods and Linda Bloodworth-Thomason, the television producer and reigning First Friend. Stephens Inc. is an important client of the Rose law firm, whose chairman, C. Joseph Giroir, made Hillary Rodham Clinton a partner. And back in 1977, Stephens assisted BCCI's infiltration of the American banking system by brokering the latter's purchase of National Bank of Georgia stock held by Bert Lance, former President Jimmy Carter's friend and disgraced budget director.

Jackson Stephens (who turned over the reins to his son, Warren, in the late eighties) and his firm were both substantial contributors to the campaigns of Presidents Reagan and Bush (to the tune of at least $100,000 in 1980 and 1989), but they have been closer still to Bill Clinton (whom Witt Stephens had been known to call "that boy").

On two occasions, once when Clinton was running for reelection in Arkansas in 1990 and again in March 1992, when his battered presidential campaign was broke, the Stephens family saved Clinton's bacon with an infusion of money. Indeed, it may not be too much to say that their Worthen Bank's emergency $3.5 million line of credit saved the presidential campaign from extinction. --L.J.D.

-snip

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1993/11/davis.html


Was the Telecom Act of '96, banking de-regulation, NAFTA, ignoring Sen Kerry's investigation into BCCI and HRC's votes on IWR, and Kyl Liebermann all pay back for financing of the Clinton's careers?

[Marrah_G]

30. So is Obama Stupid, Unwise or Easily Manipulated? Which one is it?

That is what you are saying. You are saying the man you are supporting for President is so stupid that he is allowing himself to be manipulated right out of the nomination.

So which is it?

Stupid, Unwise or Easily Manipulated?

[WeDidIt]

31. Obama has no choice in the matter

The presumptive nominee has no control over whether or not somebody's name is entered into nomination.

[Lilith Velkor]

52. I'll put you down for Easily Manipulated, then

That's a fucked up thing to say about our nominee. :spank:

[mod mom]

38. If you really want my opinion-it is none of the above.

I believe he is attempting to appease a segment of voters (and I don't believe the numbers was ever anywhere near 18 million-there were many cross-over voters included in that number).

I believe the Clintons backers are less influenced by facts and more by impressions. You might recall how some of the most ardent political junkies-the Kos folks, as well as folks here and on other progressive sites, who delve into background, whole heartedly rejected supporting HRC. The reaganized view of the Clinton era looked back w/o seeing how their policies effected what we experience now (think: telecom act of '96, NAFTA, Most favored trade w China, banking de-regulation). Hillary rode in on Bill's coat tails. I don't believe the Clintons or their friends at the DLC have the American's peoples best interest in mind.

Here is another example:

After Mining Deal, Financier Donated to Clinton



By JO BECKER and DON VAN NATTA Jr.
Published: January 31, 2008
Late on Sept. 6, 2005, a private plane carrying the Canadian mining financier Frank Giustra touched down in Almaty, a ruggedly picturesque city in southeast Kazakhstan. Several hundred miles to the west a fortune awaited: highly coveted deposits of uranium that could fuel nuclear reactors around the world. And Mr. Giustra was in hot pursuit of an exclusive deal to tap them.

Unlike more established competitors, Mr. Giustra was a newcomer to uranium mining in Kazakhstan, a former Soviet republic. But what his fledgling company lacked in experience, it made up for in connections. Accompanying Mr. Giustra on his luxuriously appointed MD-87 jet that day was a former president of the United States, Bill Clinton.

-snip



"Kazakhstan’s president, Nursultan A. Nazarbayev, whose 19-year stranglehold on the country has all but quashed political dissent."

"Mr. Nazarbayev walked away from the table with a propaganda coup, after Mr. Clinton expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader’s bid to head an international organization that monitors elections and supports democracy."

-snip
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html


NOW WHY FOR GOD'S SAKE WOULD BILL "ENTHUSIATIC(ALLY) SUPPORT" A NOTED OPPRESSIVE TYRANT TO HEAD AN INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION THAT MONITORS ELECTIONS?

Only thing I can come up with is he is an OPPORTUNIST in a very negative sense of the word.

[Marrah_G]

40. Obama isn't worried, why are you?

Obma doesn't think the Clintons are going to try and pull off some nefarious plan at the convention. Why isn't that good enough for you? And if you don't trust his judgment on this then you must think he is either stupid or easily mislead.

[mod mom]

43. HRC had the good sense to surround herself with the likes of Penn, Wolfson, McAuliffe.

:sarcasm:

Why would any Dem with integrity want these scoundrels to advise them? Their antics are still causing problems for party unification behind our (meaning the Democratic) candidate. Hmmh...I wonder why.

[Marrah_G]

44. The Primary is over, Hillary is supporting Obama- Obama is welcoming her support

Obama is working with Hillary to bring Unity back to the party. Why don't you trust Obama to do the right thing? Or are you more interested in continuing the Primary fight?

[mod mom]

47. Time will tell what their motives are but recent flack from Wolfson over John Edwards:

Wolfson: Edwards' Cover-up Cost Clinton the Nomination
Aides Say She Would Have Won Iowa if Edwards Affair was Exposed

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5553013&page=1

Now why would this fool spread a blatant lie just to stir things up again? Perhaps to stir up more trouble. imho the Clintons are NOT to be trusted.

[AtomicKitten]

32. Unity? Pahleeeze.

Obama better not turn his back or she'll shiv him for sure. She proved what she is capable of with the FL and MI switcheroo.

[Name removed]

33. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[KingFlorez]

37. LIES! ALL LIES!

She must have hypnotized him into doing this so she can steal the nomination! DON'T TRUST HER! SHE'S EVIL! EVIL!

[lamp_shade]

39. Bravo!! I applaud them both.

[Prophet 451]

41. I don't get it

I posted this on the other thread about this too. I'm not worried about Hillary's motives but I am baffled as to what they hope to acomplish with this. Granted, Hillary's campaign should probably be marked in some way but doing it this way, surely this will just remind everyone how bitter, close and hard-fought the contest was and re-open wounds from the primaries. I don't get it, I really don't.

[Lilith Velkor]

53. It's a show of Obama's strength

Cancelling the roll call (which has happened every convention for at least 40 years) would make him look weak.

[burythehatchet]

42. The more slack Obama gives them the more they will take from him.

This is not a wise move. The Clinton's do NOT want the Democratic party to win, they want the Clinton's to win.

[Marrah_G]

45. So you think Obama is unwise and easily manipulated?

Yet you support him for President? Now that doesn't make any sense.

I can't wait for the convention to be over and for all of you to realize how damn silly you are being.

Obama is a smart cookie, the convention will go off without a hitch and the Party will be better for it.

[Alter Ego]

48. And then they shall FUSE TOGETHER

to form Clobama The Ultimate Candidate (ATK: 3500, DEF: 2500)!

[David Zephyr]

49. It is a show of unity.

Unity in Denver. Get used to it!

[ampad]

51. I think it should be done

To give her supporters closure. I don't think it should be done to show her respect, or because she supposedly had an historic run. I think her campaign tactics were dirty and disgusting; I don't think she should be rewarded for that. She had it all in the bag then her advisors went bat shit crazy when they realized Obama was going to take it from them and she allowed them to do so. I do think some of her more rabid supporters need the closure and it should be done for them. I don't understand what the big deal is. It doesn't seem that it is going to change anything.