Rick Warren. Simply put. LIIIIIAAAARRRRR!!!!

[wowimthere]

Another Evangelical leader... Untrustworthy. And please don't tell me that this post is misdirected. The man who told that lie to cover himself and McCain told a baldfaced lie on national television when he didn't have to. He got caught and LIED to cover himself.

[LSparkle]

1. "Oh, yer a liar, you always have been ... " (audio from Stephanie Miller Show)

LYING SACK OF CRAP!!!!

[Hepburn]

2. Don't you mean....

BORN AGAIN LIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!?!?!?!?! :evilgrin:

[KittyWampus]

3. it's totally counter productive to attack Warren. STOP IT. Focus on McCain. Allow Warren

to save face.

Attacking him only gives him MORE reason to stick by McCain.

The goal is to focus on McCain. You want to divide allies, not drive them together.

[DevonRex]

6. Absolutely. You have that exactly right. Warren is NOT the

target. McCain is. Warren may have thought everything was going according to plan and that McCain would be isolated from the coverage.

We must give HIM the benefit of the doubt. McCain, not at all.

[wowimthere]

10. no I'm not gonna cede this point... because if you say you're a christian then act like one

You can't tell someone how they should live then go and do the very things you champion against. No more shortcuts. He lied when it wasn't necessary and you're asking us to do what Republicans do. Line up like sheep because it will serve us well. NO!

[KittyWampus]

18. then you are effectively HELPING McCain. It's simple strategy. But good for you, know it all.

It's obviously more important to be personally right than to win.

[tridim]

4. Some say that lying is a sin worthy of an eternity in hell.

Good point that he didn't have to lie, he chose to lie in God's house in front of his congregation. Wonder what other lies he's told?

[butterfly77]

5. I am waiting to see ..

how he will try to set it up tonight in his interview. Also the Mccain liars have a lot of nerve trying to blame nbc just because they said what was the truth.
They really get angry when they are caught in their lies they think they can't throw the story from the fact that McCain was sitting on the straight talk express watching Warren interviewing Obama.

[samdogmom]

7. I was put off when he was questioned about McCain's whereabouts

during the coin toss. The question got discarded and they moved one. McCain obviously COULDN'T have been present for the coin toss so this clown couldn't explain why he said he was...so they just moved on.

And, I watched an interview where he was asked about this...but he just quickly moved into another answer and NEVER ADMITTED THAT MC CAIN WASN'T PRESENT AND THAT HE LIED!

Bottom line:

This GUY IS A HUGE SLIME BAG!

[marylanddem]

22. When was the coin allegedly tossed?

Has any comment been made on that? God, this whole thing is so outrageous.

[shadowknows69]

8. De pants are on fi-yer.

[AspenRose]

14. .

:rofl:

[DevonRex]

9. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt. He could actually be

an okay guy. What is certain is that he would be a TERRIBLE guy to have pissed off at us for accusing him of something when we don't know the all the facts.

[wowimthere]

13. Did you see the CNN interview? He told everyone McCain was in a cone of silence

McCain wasn't even there at Saddleback and he knew it.

[DevonRex]

25. No, I didn't see it. Still, let's focus on McCain. He's the target.

From what I understand, Obama did well. And McCain has been caught outright lying about that cross in the dirt thing.

[2KS2KHonda]

31. There is no way to prove the "dirt cross" thing did NOT happen. One cannot prove a negative.

But we do not have to prove the claim that McC was NOT in (I am so sick of this phrase) "cone of silence." That has been stipulated by all parties concerned. Personally I don't give a shit about whether some guy drew an X on the ground or not.

[Bluenorthwest]

23. He's a liar and a bigot

This man you rush to defend says I have no human rights. No human rights. And he's a liar. He paints himself as Holy Judge of what is Righteous and he lied.
He said McCain was sequestered when he was not. That is a lie. That does not mitigate McCain's lies, it points them out.
Warren is a liar who does not deserve the benefit of any form of doubt. And he's not getting mine.

[DevonRex]

28. I absolutely understand where you're coming from. I am not

defending him, exactly. I am saying that we need to keep the focus on our opponent, John McCain. I believe Obama has the opportunity to change some minds among evangelicals. There are many who are flat out fed up with all the gay bashing and abortion baiting that has been going on. They really want a spiritual experience, not a political one.

So it is for the sake of that possibility that I say let's not direct out anger at Warren right now. As evangelical ministers go, he is hardly the worst. But let's concentrate on 1 fight at a time.

[Bluenorthwest]

30. Win evangelicals if you wish

But Warren is a liar and so is McCain. They lied together. There is no reason to defend a bigot who says I have no human rights. If they are sick of gay bashing, they should be sick of Warren.
And a liar or crook does not have to be the worst to be guilty. I'm going to call out hypocritical hate mongers always. And you know why that is? Because your allegedly fed up 'Christians' don't have the spine to clean their own house of liars and haters. This is up to them, if they want a good reputation, let them-gasp- be good people. Start by calling a liar a liar and not trying to mitigate that.
Geez. I can concentrate on both of them. If you can not, that's you.

[Diamonique]

32. I don't understand.

What is the point of attacking Warren? That's a lot of wasted anger and energy. It's McCain that we NEED to take down. Warren's name will not be on the ballot in November.

[Avalux]

11. They are all LIARS. Everyone who entertains from the pulpit for profit are not Christians.

Greedy, rich fat white men preaching to greedy, rich white people (mostly). I do not think Jesus would approve of this sort of "Christianity".

[samdogmom]

15. A.G.R.E.E.D. !!!!!

Thank you for having the courage to state this VERY obvious FACT!

[KharmaTrain]

12. BTW...The "Forum" Was On Live Radio

I was out driving around and wanted to see if any stations were carrying it. I had to search...not the "All News" station or the Hate stations or even NPR. I did find it on the religious part of the dial...the Moody Radio network had it live. IRC, Moody has a powerful affiliate out of Catalina Island that is easily heard in OC...and inside a "cone of silence".

Here's hoping the corporate media continues to chase this non-story...the more they angst over this the less space there is for a goon like Corsi to show up.

[Whisp]

16. I was willing to give him a benefit of a doubt yesterday

but he's looking more and more guilty of a cover up and aiding and abetting a war criminal to get elected.

[wowimthere]

17. Some think this isn't worth it. It is. It goes to who we are as democrats and where we want to go

as democrats.

[KittyWampus]

19. You don't define yourself in opposition to someone else. Happy to smack this stupid shit down

because you personally seem to be invested in diffusing the spotlight on McCain.

What's the matter, can't stand to see McCain getting caught?

[wowimthere]

21. McCain and Warren are like two peas in a pod. They both look bad McCain is just as guilty but it

does not excuse Warren.

[Bluenorthwest]

29. You can only call out one liar at a time?

If they work in pairs, it becomes too much for you? They are both liars and trash. I never have and never will miss a chance to point out the lies and hypocrisy of the reilionist set, and the politicians who play that game. Sorry if that bothers you.
John McCain and his Elmer Gantry homophobe pal are both liars, both seperatly and in concert. Can you deal with that?
Or do you just want to give Warren a pass for wearing a cross while he lies and holds good Americans up for contempt to serve his own Republican agenda?

[Life Long Dem]

20. But he is not running for president n/t

[wowimthere]

24. Warren wants us to believe he has the power to influence evangelicals. He's proven to

evangelicals that he is the same as other right wing evangelicals. Disaffected evangelicals should see that McCain courting the evangelical vote with a lying sack like Warren is Bush courting evangelicals 2004. It won't work this time.

[Bluenorthwest]

26. His accomplice is running

And this Warren is political from the word go. That is why he was hosting this event. He uses his dogma and false righteousness as a weapon against good GLBT Americans. He fleeces the duped faithful.
Both McCain and Warren are liars deluxe. Both are insane bigots as well. Two peas in a bucket, so fuck it.

[wowimthere]

27. Some GOP have already decided they are against McCain for his answers on Warren's lovefest.

Now that Warren's lie is out of the bag... others will peel away.

[Life Long Dem]

33. Yeah, I just saw the CNN video with Sanchez asking him questions

Warren looks like a phony. He had guilt written all over his face.