Just on Jimmy Kimmel, Kerry making the 'toke' sign

[Bombtrack]

they just showed a clip of Kerry with Peter Paul and Mary playing puff the magic dragon, and Kerry put 2 fingers to his mouth and made the "puff" sign.

THe audiece went crazy.

Anyone heard about this?

[JI7]

1. i know nothing about the "puff sign"

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[Bombtrack]

5. like your taking a hit off of a joint

I hadn't heard about it either

Kimmel: after laughting "It makes me want to vote for him, and not want to vote for him at the same time"

[JI7]

11. oh, hahah

.

[dajabr]

2. Did you see him a few minutes later?

[KittyWampus]

32. That Looks Like Lieberman's Baby Picture

:evilgrin:

[silver]

3. yeah - it was in today's "the note"

check it out at abcnews.com. that's what i like about kerry - he's down to earth and understands that substances like marijuana are generally harmless when compared to tobacco and dirty air and water.

[WindRavenX]

10. Ayup

In person, he's extremely lively, hillarious, and warm. He's a truly awesome guy :)

[adadem]

31. Very true

and down-to earth, too....not pompous at all as some commentary has portrayed.

[blm]

4. Damn, I missed it.

Kerry doesn't try to pretend he didn't have some "experiences" back in the day. I like that.

[Rick Myers]

6. Good point!

n/t

[JI7]

7. like bush and his way worse crimes

i hear bush actually got into a fight with his dad over his crimes like drunk driving. everytime i think of that i always think of how a young bill clinton stood up to his abusive stepfather for beating his mother compared to a drunk gwbush trying to start a fight with his dad over his crimes.

[sleipnir]

8. Hey, if he'll smoke a bowl on national TV, he will get my vote

All issues aside, I will vote and campaign like crazy if Kerry smokes up on TV!!! Go Kerry, smoke like there's no stoppin' ya!

[diamondsoul]

9. No, but dammit, that's why

Kerry has leapt to my #2 apot. I love this guy! Brass balls and a record to back them up!

[Terwilliger]

13. number 2?

Kerry said this yesterday:


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/28/ftn/main590384.shtml

I mean, if you don't know that Saddam Hussein is guilty and you think he has to have a jury trial...

[blm]

15. And then read on T_will...

Kerry was saying you didn't NEED to have a trial before you KNEW Saddam was guilty. That's ALL. He has previously spoken about a trial for Saddam, but in this context he was listing public perception gaffes made by Dean in regard to Saddam and Bin Laden.


"Ms. WALTER: I'm sorry. That if indeed he is the nominee that you've really opened up a great line of attack for Republicans and the piling-on effect here could really impact him as the nominee negatively.

Sen. KERRY: Please, this race against George Bush is going to be a tough race. If you don't think Karl Rove and George Bush aren't sitting there waiting for these statements to be held accountable when they run, if he's the nominee, you're kidding yourselves. I mean, the fact is that we didn't open any of this up. Howard Dean made these statements. Howard Dean is the one who said he doesn't think we're safer with the capture of Saddam Hussein. Howard Dean is the one who said he didn't know whether or not he could have a jury trial--or he might have a jury trial before he calls him guilty even though Saddam Hussein himself announced he's guilty. Howard Dean is the one who said we need the permission of the UN to do these things. This is a campaign about the presidency of the United States of America.

Ms. WALTER: D--do you...

Sen. KERRY: And we Democrats need to choose the strongest nominee possible to go up against him. If he can't answer those questions adequately now he's not going to be able to answer them when George Bush and Karl Rove go at him."

[Terwilliger]

18. yes you've said all this before

and I've said Kerry has years of experience yet still makes inexcusable gaffes like the above

[blm]

19. so put it in context

and you can clearly see that what YOU insist he meant is NOT what he meant at all.

[Terwilliger]

21. that's what YOU say

I think Kerry should have thought it out

Sorry, Kerry said that it was bad of Howard Dean to say that Osama should have a trial. There is no mistake here, blm...it was a repugnant thing to say.

[cindyw]

23. that Osama should have a trial...before we know in our hearts that

he is guilty. funny you are ignoring the actual meaning of his words. I'm sure i could cut your sentences in half and make it sound like you said something else.

[Terwilliger]

26. huh?

are you manufacturing things?

[JVS]

35. Why can't Kerry tell the difference between BinLaden and Hussein?

Is it part of being tricked by W?

[TLM]

40. Probably the same reason he can;t tell the difference between

a personal prejudice and a legal finding.

[TLM]

38. Kerry is the one trying to blur this line

between personal feelings and a legal finding... so he has nobody to blame but his own dumb ass if it gets turned back on him.


Kerry is attacking Dean for supporting due process of law in finding guilt, so obviously Kerry is anti-due process.

I can not vote for someone who does not respect due process over personal prejudice.

[TLM]

37. Oh I see so Kerry is a hypocrite playing to hate....

"Kerry was saying you didn't NEED to have a trial before you KNEW Saddam was guilty. That's ALL. He has previously spoken about a trial for Saddam, but in this context he was listing public perception gaffes made by Dean in regard to Saddam and Bin Laden. "


So basically Kerry is intentionally trying to blur the distinction between knowing Saddam is guilty on a personal level and FINDING Saddam guilty in a legal proceeding, in order to attack Dean by acting as if supporting due process in the finding of guilt through that legal proceeding is the same thing as saying on a personal level that one does not consider Saddam guilty.

Typical dishonest scummy garbage from Kerry.

This shit is why he is losing.

[Bombtrack]

17. I think that what he might have meant was Osama

although, they both would have been justified. The writing is on the wall as far as they both go.

They are as both as close to evil as evil gets in this world.

[Terwilliger]

20. sounds like great excuses for bogeymen!

scapegoats that people like Bush can use to manufacture wars and manufacture consent and have every Democrat trying to lick his balls because they don't want to look too weak

that kind of evil?

[blm]

22. Get real. I say Bush is guilty all the time, don't you?

To me he's guilty. Saddam is guilty. Bin Laden is guilty.

In fact, I think they're all guilty from all the documented evidence I've seen.

I have NO problem saying it. Why can't Dean say it about Saddam or Bin Laden? That WAS the thrust of what Kerry was saying after all.

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[NewYorkerfromMass]

27. John Kerry (ex-prosecutor) knows all about trials

I have no question he knows how matters of justice are weighed.

[TLM]

47. Kerry KNOWS what he said was total shit.... of course he knows that.

He's not stupid... he's a fucking LIAR. Big difference.

Kerry knows exactly what Dean was talking about, and Kerry is the one who decided to try and blur the distinction between a feeling of personal prejudice and a legal finding of guilt.

Dean was talking about respecting the rule of law and being careful to not let personal prejudice get in the way of a process of establishing a legal finding of guilt that would be internationally respected.

If we did as Kerry wants, and just put a bullet in Saddam's head with no trial because we "know in our hearts" that he's guilty... the world would not respect that, and would see it as proof of American hypocrisy and imperialism. However if we reserve judgment and allow the international court/UN to find Saddam/Osma's guilt in a legal proceeding, that will be respected.

Dean is once again correct on an issue and Kerry is slinging mud by trying to play to hate and prejudice.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

50. No. You're wrong. Saddam can legally be held sans trial now

as we have been doing. Kerry is technically and legally correct.

[TLM]

52. Legally HELD.... according to the patriot act, in gitmo.

Are you saying that Kerry supports this policy of throwing enemy combatants into camps with no trial?

Yeah it is legal, because guys like Kerry voted for the patriot act and helped make it so.

You support that?

I don't. If Saddam is guilty, why should we fear a trial in front of an international body... unless we're afraid what other info might come out at said trial?

[Terwilliger]

57. yes, and this simply means you support the law that Bush uses...

to declare people to be outside the rule of law....what WONDERFUL Democrat principles! :eyes:

[blm]

30. Dean sowed the discord and he can reap it.

.

[TLM]

48. If the poll numbers are any indication, Kerry is the one reaping

the rewards of his lies and dishonest Dean bashing.

[TLM]

45. Because guilt in that context is a legal finding not a personal prejudice.

Dean was speaking of respecting international law and the due process of finding guilt so that the punishment would be respected by the international community.

And Kerry tried to spin that as defending Saddam/Osama or saying that Dean felt they were innocent because Dean refused to simply join Kerry and Bush in the 2 minute hate.

This was yet another sad desperate attempt by Kerry to try and paint Dean as soft of defense through lies and misrepresentation.

The fact is we need someone in the White House who respects the process of law... not someone who just determines who is guilty and who is innocent based on his own personal prejudices.

Kerry has made it clear which he is. Kerry's idea of justice is "get a rope and find a tree." We've had enough of that shit.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

12. Truly, Kerry is High Class

He looked so Presidential pretending to smoke pot. Kerry brings dignity and gravitas to the race. :eyes: A True Man of High Class. Heh.

[cindyw]

14. Are we comparing him to the man who can't eat a pretzel and watch

football at the same time or are we finally able to admit that the man is a real person?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

16. Look, Bush was a cheerleader in his prep school

If Kerry wins, I'll vote for him probably. But the man is desperate. Fortunately, we aren't that desperate, and have so many good candidates besides Dean and Kerry that we just don't need them.

So the BCCI trial is starting this week ... Kerry? Hello?

[cindyw]

24. Your opinion. I'll give you Dean, but kerry is anything but desperate, he

is the right man for the job and fighting for it. Just what any candidate should do.

[WI_DEM]

28. he is still trying to connect

but it doesn't seem that making toke signs and riding Harleys is doing the trick.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

29. Kerry apparently has a sense of humor.

Something some of the folks at DU could use. :)

[JVS]

34. Sorry but voting for IWR is no laughing matter

Kerry can only elicit a scowl from me

[cindyw]

41. If IWR is your litmus test then I hope you support Kucinich because

Dean supported giving Bush the authority to invade Iraq.

That is a fact.

[JVS]

42. I support Kucinich first, Dean is my second

And Kerry along with cowardly Democrats in Congress gave Bush the Authority. That is a fact.

[TLM]

51. Dean supported giving Bush the authority to invade Iraq....

If there was a demonstrable imminent threat.


Sad that the only defense of IWR supporters is to argue that Dean supported Bidden Luger which allowed for use of force... while ignoring the additional criteria laid out for use of force in Bidden Luger.


Saying BL was the same as IWR because both allowed for use of force is like saying that a cop twisting your arm to put you in cuffs is the same as a cop jamming a plunger handle up your ass... because both involve the use of force.

[TLM]

49. Yeah his candidacy is the biggest joke I've seen in a long time...

And that great joke he played on vets when he faked them out about throwing his metals over the white house fence... hilarious.

[Hep]

33. The real question: Why are you watching Jimmy Kimmel?

:)

[TLM]

55. Every guy should watch Jimmy Kimmel...

if for no other reason than to figure out how he got into Sarah Silverman's pants. Because we know it sure wasn't to boost her career.

grrrrrow!

[TLM]

36. Wow talk about pandering... and hypocrisy.

As if Kerry is lighting up a doob after his stump speech.


Funny though if Dean had done that, the Kerry folks would be screaming about what a horrible gaff and bad PR move, how it proves he'll lose the election and will help Rove spin him as a lefty hippie pot head. They'd say he was just pandering to drug users and trying to look hip or worse encouraging our young people to smoke pot.

[cindyw]

39. Please if Dean had done that I would think he was human again.

n/t

[HFishbine]

46. Didn't see the clip, but...

The sing alongs to the song used to include mimicking the toking gesture before the word "Puff." Kerry was probably just singing along and doing the gestures that went with the song in his memory (like some of us did in the 80's with the "Time Warp" or the 90's with the "Macarena.")

[windansea]

43. toke thread morphs into Kerry bash

pass the bong please

[Feanorcurufinwe]

59. cough, cough

[Don Claybrook]

44. Damnit, let's give Kerry his due

Sure, I want Dean to win. And the "toke sign" doesn't make or break an entire presidential campaign. But if Kerry holds up an invisible joint during a concert, I say more power to him. It doesn't have anything to do with IWR or his attacks on Dean or any of that other stuff. It has to do with "un-demonizing" something that never should've been demonized in the first place, never should've been criminalized.

So non-Kerry people, if you want to slam Kerry on IWR or any number of other issues, there are threads for that, and I may join you there. But let's let him have a little, compartmentalized moment in the sun. Isn't that a part of what makes us liberals--understanding nuance, shades of gray, that sort of thing?

Thanks.

[TLM]

53. It just bugs me because you know the shit storm we'd see if Dean did it

and most of the hate bombs would be fired off by Kerry folks about how undignified and stupid such a move was for a serious candidate when there were cameras around.

Just feeding Rove attack footage for GE ads they'd yell. And frankly in this case they'd be right.

This was a stupid thing for Kerry to do in an election where Kerry has done almost nothing but stupid things.

Maybe next week he can gesture like he's shooting up? Yeah that'll prove he's hip and cool.

[Don Claybrook]

54. There's a big difference between shooting up and smoking pot

In fact, that's a part of the problem. For years and years the drug warriors have been saying that heroin, cocaine, and marijuana are equally bad. This has had all sorts of negative effects, not the least of which is that the teenagers they're trying to reach know better, and end up not believing anything they're told by these bozos.

[TLM]

56. Yes, there is, but there's little difference in the gestures...

and that's what we're talking about.

Had Kerry actualy lit up and smoked pot, that would be a whole other discussion.

What he did was make a silly "smoking" gesture. Which really would be no different than making a silly shooting up gesture in terms of negative effect.

[mb7588a]

58. Woo Don Claybrook!

Cheers. :toast:

[Feanorcurufinwe]

60. Good post, thanks

:yourock:

[Scott Lee]

61. Oh that's gonna go over great with middle America

Way to go John!

[Bombtrack]

62. so would an angry little Osama advocate from a tiny left-wing state

oh no wait, that would be a disaster