Clark passes Kerry

[giantrobot_2000]

Rumor floating around on the web right now. Clark has passed Kerry in Dean's internal polling. WMUR TV in New Hampshire ran something about this. Anyone else got the dope?

[Clark4VotingRights]

1. No dope, but I hope it's true.

It's just a matter of time 'til it's true 'cause Clark's
such a great candidate. But I hope it's true now.

I think it's hard for people to see him and not be impressed.

[giantrobot_2000]

2. ...

I got the dope:

http://www.markarkleiman.com/archives/wesley_clark_/2004/01/clark_passing_kerry_in_nh.php

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[giantrobot_2000]

3. ...

Direct link:

http://www.thewmurchannel.com/politics/2742230/detail.html

[Justice]

4. That Would Be Great News

Go Wesley Clark!

[Clark4VotingRights]

5. Post #53 in this thread mentions it, tho it's vague. No real source given.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=67353#67540

[Skwmom]

6. Isn't it the Dean campaign who leaked this info?

If so, I'd take a wait and see approach. They play a lot of dirty political games.

[La_Serpiente]

7. Do you have any proof?

I am taking a wait and see approach, but do you have any proof that it came from the Dean campaign?

[Skwmom]

44. On Hardball one of the guests stated that

this had been leaked by the Dean campaign in order to decrease expectations for Dean and to lessen the impact of Clark doing well (but then again how many times has Dean played that game - too many to count).

[giantrobot_2000]

8. ...

Ace Smith is a clever guy. I'm skeptical but I can think of any other campaign that stands to gain from this leak...

[SahaleArm]

9. Dean camp about to get dirtier...

With former U.S. Sen. Bill Bradley's endorsement of presidential candidate Howard Dean today, the former Vermont governor's campaign is likely to emphasize that the front-runner is "a real Democrat" and more decisive than former Gen. Wesley Clark.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0106dean-interview06.html

[Justice]

10. "Feeling Job-Like"

There is a particular irony when you consider that statement and the story you just posted.

[mouse7]

18. That's not dirty, it's true

Dean is a Dem. Clark is an independent. Clark has voted for too many out of party to claim the "Dem loyalist" label.

An Independent label has just as much good in it with voters anyway.

[giantrobot_2000]

Sigh

Like voting for Clinton *twice* and voting for Gore?

[TexasPatriot]

23. you need a new line

this one is old and, honestly, is bs. Clark lobs out the most aggressively progressive tax plan of the candidates and you still want to call him a republican.

[Mz Pip]

37. That's funny

Dean may have trouble with this one since he refers to so many of the long time Democratic members as "cockroaches." One would think some new blood and independent minded thinking would be a good thing in Dean's mind.

So Dems that have been around and don't support Dean are cockroaches and Dems that are new to the party and don't support him aren't Dem loyalist enough. Since about 75% of the Dems out there don't support Dean, he's got a huge group to trash and alienate before the GE.

MzPip
:dem:

[kerry-is-my-prez]

45. But Clark "acts" like a Dem more than Dean does, THAT'S what counts.

n/t

[kerry-is-my-prez]

40. Can you bleieve it? Dean now claims he's the Establishment Dem

after months of "railing" about the Dem Party and calling them cockroaches.

I've never seen any political candidate more hypocritical than this guy (well except maybe Bush).

[Bombtrack]

11. That's a good point, I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them

however far I could throw the fattest member of there staff whoever that might be

[Hep]

20. You shouldn't be throwing anybody with your bad back.

n/t

[HFishbine]

29. Does it matter to you

that this rumor was posted by a Clark supporter?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

36. Yes, they just said on CNN that it was the Dean campaign

n/t

[WI_DEM]

12. not surprising

Kerry has been dropping like a rock according to the ARG tracking poll.

[giantrobot_2000]

13. ...

Good point. This is certainly in agreement with the tracking polls' trendlines.

[newyawker99]

31. Hi WI_DEM!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[kerry-is-my-prez]

43. He's been moving up in Iowa. Also he was moving up in the natl polls.

n/t

[molly]

14. It's not over until the primaries

but Clark is my number 2 choice.

[Donna Zen]

15. Thanks

Kerry is my number two. Stay strong.

I do not trust this number two leak which is coming from Dean's campaign according the HardBall round table. They are raising expectations for Clark so that the spin can be "oh well, not as good as expected," no matter what the NH vote. Expect more of this.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

39. Kerry's mine too. Lot of Clark people have Kerry as #2 and vice-versa

Our campaigns are getting along well also. Nice for a change.

At the Florida convention some Kerry people actually helped me with a Clark banner. It was a beautiful thing....

[Cheswick2.0]

22. We over here on Dean's side are heart broken

to hear that Clark is your number two. Just yesterday we were saying "hmmmmmm, now how are we going to get Molly to join us?"
I don't know what we will do Molly, now that we know you don't love us like we like to be loved?

[adadem]

30. Mine, too

right behind Kerry.

[Leilani]

33. I support Clark

But I would proudly support Kerry.

They are both honorable men who have given much to their country.

Unlike other candidates, I would sleep well, knowing either Kerry or Clark is at the helm.

Now is not the time to choose a person who's biggest concerns have been dairy cows.

[xultar]

16. It was on CNN last night. n/t

[KittyWampus]

34. They Are Attempting To Move Goal Posts On Clark

It will be GREAT if Clark comes in third... ALL THINGS CONSIDERD.

[Clark4VotingRights]

35. That's probably true.

Good observation cryingshame. Thanks.

[sandnsea]

19. Dean is really worried about Kerry

Spreading lies about his cancer returning, the Mass attack brochures, now this "internal poll" leak. Kerry must be moving up, just like the reports out of Iowa are saying.

[creativelcro]

21. Unlikely... Kerry is toast...

[Cheswick2.0]

24. when you are in a hole, the best thing to do is

stop digging. Can you go put that on the Kerry website? It is painful to watch the man implode.

[Jerseycoa]

26. Trippi-Tricks

It's starting to feel like the Nixon Era, I tell you.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

41. They spread rumors about Kerry's cancer returning?

n/t

[giantrobot_2000]

25. Big Mo

Big Mo: Clark's got it.

[giantrobot_2000]

27. Wow

Tracking poll just confirmed the trendlines: Clark rising, Kerry falling.

Whodathunkit?

[PATRICK]

28. As good as Kerry is

he has relentlessly and with dedication selected himself out of the real enthusiasm and presentation needed at this level. Clark salvos and great political style would propel him easily to the top if ever the focus shifted in some new terror attack or armed conflict fiasco.

Reluctantly, before a vote has been cast, it appears to me(only my opinion) that Kerry at this stage can only be a spoiler who it remains to be seen seen if he can carve out a sphere of influence out of his regional and familiar loyalties. As with Gephardt(the better campaigner) the hard-nosed portion of the electorate knows this is a choice for the national stage. Where the issues fall or loyalties lie will dwindle quicker and quicker in the face of choosing a presidential candidate. The ones best positioned are Dean(of course) and Clark and Edwards depending on how that contest for a national champion shapes. It may be interesting. Judging from past experience it will be. Dean has to personally earn it over strong choices so there will be little question who the people in general really want.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

32. Disinformation.

The Dean campaign knows Kerry is the one they need to beat in NH.

[RetroLounge]

38. "Clark passes Kerry"

like a kidney stone...

[Skwmom]

42. I'd really like to see Clark and Kerry end up on the same ticket.

I think together they could do a lot of good for this nation.