Lipstick on a pig- HOLY CRAP! Obama line at VA speech!

[Curtland1015]

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig!

It's an old saying, and he never mentioned Palin... but the crowd certainly figured that's what he meant. They went nuts!

Haw!

*AGAIN: PLEASE NOTE!!! He wasn't referring to Sarah Palin directly in anyway, just their unchanging policies! It was the crowd that took the "Palin" meaning from it!!!

[ailsagirl]

1. KICK

[billybob537]

2. no amount of lipstick

is gonna get that pig to the prom.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

17. The Patriot Missile System

[flamingdem]

93. that's lipsticking it to them! nt

[1Hippiechick]

97. AND...you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear!!!! LOL n/t

[Midlodemocrat]

131. Man. That is a GREAT line!!!! Would make a fabulous t-shirt.

[mitchum]

3. Yes!

[adoraz]

4. LMAO!! Are you serious?

[Chimichurri]

5. What's the difference between Cheney and Palin?

Lipstick!

Yes! We need more of that, Senator!

[peoli]

78. no doubt

[POAS]

94. At least in public! n/t

[nc4bo]

6. Must have the clip - hopefully it shows up on youtube. LMAO, Obama is going "there". nt

[Clio the Leo]

19. I am recording it now.....

... so that IS a new one! That's even better than "moose shooter."

[nc4bo]

26. Fantastic! Can't wait!! Geez, I'm drooling thinking about LOL!! nt

[Clio the Leo]

134. My cap is here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7005702

[nc4bo]

137. Thankies! nt

[samuraiguppy]

7. now that is what I

call a good attack! GO Obama!!!!

[The Blue Flower]

8. Just let the R's whine about that one!

Would they then be labelling the pork princess a pig?

[Deb]

9. WOW, Obama proves that you really can make a silk purse

out of a sows ear! Thanks for sharing. :applause:

[Kitty Herder]

10. I'm happy to see Obama sticking it to the Repugs.

Lord knows they deserve it. And far more.

[Jennicut]

11. Barack said that? That was friggin funny.

Hey, she bought up the lipstick thing first.

[me b zola]

15. And compared herself to an animal

:evilgrin:

[anneboleyn]

12. Wow! This also brings to mind a disturbing image of McCain with lipstick...

since he is the presidential candidate (which all of the news media seems to have forgotten).

[ClarkUSA]

13. Hope he uses it from now on.

Heh

[dana_b]

14. go Obama!

although you know someone is going to say it's "sexist".

[Iris]

20. Not me! I love this man more and more every day.

I was just thinking I'd really like to see the Dems nail the Republicans for once - just get outright nasty. I admire the way Obama goes right to the line but never quite steps over.

Can't wait for the debates.

[dana_b]

27. see posts #22 and 23 n/t

[nc4bo]

33. He's taking jabs. Biden's doing it too. Think boxing. nt

[Iris]

148. excellent metaphor!

And I usually don't get sports references!

[chill_wind]

38. A whole LOT of someones, probably.

[Clio the Leo]

45. it's not SEXIST ..... it's SEXY ..... go get 'em! prrrrrrrr. nt

[dana_b]

114. haha!! go Nigel Tufnel!! n/t

[sniffa]

16. Oink!

:rofl:

[SayitAintSo]

18. And if the Pig's ugly... it stays ugly....

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

21. Ah, hell yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's what I'm talkin' about....

[LiberalHeart]

22. You actually think this is a good thing? Geez....

If he really said this and if it was clear he meant Palin, it's a cheap, demeaning, nasty, unrewarding comment that is offensive to at least one woman (me).

[Curtland1015]

28. He was discussing how McCain and Palin pretend they're about change...

When they're doing the same things over and over. The "lipstick on a pig" saying works perfectly in that regard.

It's just that when he said it, the way the crowd went nuts, you know they took more from it than what he said. That's what was so hilarious about it.

[LiberalHeart]

37. I think the connection is made because of Palin's pit bull/lipstick comment...

Whether he intended that connection to be made is what is unclear to me. If he intended it, I think it's a major mistake.

[jenmito]

49. So she's allowed to lie about Obama, smear him, say he never fought for this country, etc.,

but Obama can't use a version of her own words against her?

[LiberalHeart]

61. I didn't say that. I said (in various ways) it's not a good decision...

...IF he was purposely trying to make the connection between Palin and pig. It's beneath him (or should be) to do that. It's bad politics. The next riff on freeper sites: Obama calls Palin a pig. Doesn't matter if it's true. It'll be said that he did that and it'll turn off a lot of people. It's a dumb move with no positive reward.

[jenmito]

68. It's a well-known phrase. It is NOT calling her a pig. It's calling HER policies the same as the

Bush admin.'s policies.

[Cha]

56. Tough shit... I tired of dirty pigs and their

lipstick.

[Tigress DEM]

143. You are a really nice person.

It's just we have a press war that is stacked against us.

So if he can score a hit like this without it being able to be "proven" they will feel the sting without being able to do a thing.

Their side is lying through their teeth and the media is eating it up.

As awful as it sounds. It's the truth about their behavior.

[provis99]

31. He's referring to the fact that she revels in pork barrel politics

[kestrel91316]

53. She asked for it, comparing herself to a pitbull with lipstick.

You know what they say about staying out of the kitchen if you can't handle heat........

[leftofcool]

57. This will be offensive to many women , I suspect

[Midlodemocrat]

132. Only the vapid shitheads that like Palin.

[ebdarcy]

I'm curious, why do you consider the line sexist?

She compared herself to a pitbull wearing lipstick. I think she opened the door to the comment, especially considering her supposedly anti-pork stance.

[stray cat]

73. No one is being called a pig unless its the republican brand

[krabigirl]

104. Yes.

[druidity33]

122. No. nt

[msallied]

113. Oh shut UP already!

Seriously, why would you take offense with this? Unless you had no ability to comprehend the saying and WHY he said it.

[Tigress DEM]

142. Don't think of her as a woman. Think of her as a rethug.

Besides maybe he meant McCain or that Larry guy who is trying to plead not guilty to trying to pick up a police officer in the john at MSP Airport.

There are a lot of pigs in their party.

AND a lot of pork.

[Iris]

150. exactly. nt

[wolverinez]

144. Then modern pres elections aren't for you.

nm

[Iris]

149. She's the one who compared herself to a dog.

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[The Blue Flower]

29. No, it isn't obvious

It's a phrase that's been around a long, long time. It's only sexist if you read "Palin" for "pig." And that's your own individual projection.

[LiberalHeart]

43. It's not a projection made in a vacuum ... it comes on the heels of Pallin's lipstick remark.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

50. It's an old saying. Cheney used it himself last election cycle.

[alcibiades_mystery]

40. Thanks Rush

:rofl:

[mitchum]

41. Fuck off, freeper trash

[Jennicut]

47. Yeah, sure, nice 5 posts there. Thanks for the concern.

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[nc4bo]

76. I'm not a guy. I have a vagina, was initially a hill supporter but now support our nominee.

You have 2 choices: Palin/Mccain or Obama/Biden.

[JeffR]

86. There are thousands of former Clinton supporters here

who'll be voting for O.

If you can't bring yourself to do so, don't.

Not that I believe your story to begin with...

[kestrel91316]

HAHAHAHAHA. No. That's no implosion. That's Obama opening

a big ol' can of WHOOP ASS on her.

[scheming daemons]

82. No, troll.... it is a very common saying..... but you knew that

[Shakespeare]

83. Implode? LOL

He's riffing on her comment comparing herself to a pit bull. Guess she was just being sexist, too.

Your concern is duly noted. troll/off

[BlueStateGirl]

84. Thanks for your concern n/t

[EndElectoral]

24. Call her a liar, but watch this type of comment as it'll be called sexist and insulting.

[dana_b]

36. yep - I said the same thing above.

it's b.s. though. Does anyone here really NOT think that Palin is pig-like? Not because she's a woman, but because her views are. People are focused on the superficial and not the substance. I think that's what he's trying to say here.

[CakeGrrl]

46. From the woman who is a self-proclaimed "pitbull" in lipstick

and whom the GOP wants to promote as their barracuda, a pretty ugly, snaggletoothed fish?

If they can't stand the heat and project an ages-old comment onto her, then they need to get out of the proverbial kitchen.

And these hypersensitive asshats want to keep their fingers on red button.

[Straight Shooter]

115. "... GOP wants to promote as their barracuda, a pretty ugly, snaggletoothed fish?"

LOL, that reminds me of a saying I used to hear in Texas: "Tell the truth, snaggletooth!" :D

[Bobbie Jo]

63. Nope, she made the 'lipstick' reference herself as if it were cute.

She can't have it both ways. By the same standard, the 'hockey mom' remark was equally sexist.

[LiberalHeart]

66. If I call myself a pit bull and you call me a pig, who's being offensive?

[LiberalHeart]

69. On ABC News just now, Obama spokesperson says he didn't mean Palin.

[Midlodemocrat]

135. Palin insulted pit bulls everywhere when she compared herself to them.

I've known pit bulls, I've worked with pit bulls, and you, Sarah, are no pit bull.

[RoadRage]

25. Awesome. He knows when to play light, and when to play rough.. well done!

[LiberalFighter]

30. Pit Bull owners should have a lipstick contest.

[Shine]

32. LOL!! Perfect. Do you have a link, by any chance, of the footage?

would LOVE to see that one! :thumbsup:

[greenman3610]

34. the man knows how to trash talk.

Let's see what happens now!

[Pisces]

35. I love it. She is a pig.

[alcibiades_mystery]

39. Pearls before swine!

:rofl:

[npincus]

42. HOLY SHIT... he really said that?

:rofl: :rofl: OMG...

[Pisces]

44. Where is the video????

[chill_wind]

48. GOPHERS wouldn't think twice about throwing out a line like that.

But why do I think he's going to get crucified?

Nevertheless, THAT's a terse soundbyte :-) Go Obama!

[Curtland1015]

51. Please, remember, as I said above, he never actually...

He never said he was talking about Sarah Palin specifically before he said that.

That's just what the crowd took from it. I'll leave it up to you to decide if he was referring just to her or not.

[Ichingcarpenter]

54. You need to change part of your OP and describe the context

before the time runs out

[Curtland1015]

58. Delete - Dupe

Dupe

[Curtland1015]

59. Delete - Dupe

Dupe

[Curtland1015]

60. I will... but even now it says up there that it wasn't what he said...

...just what the crowd to from it.

But oh well, I'll add a bit more to clarify that point.

[Ichingcarpenter]

92. thanks

I could see some were getting confused
context and preciseness counts when quoting our candidate
Good job

[stray cat]

52. A Republican with lipstick is still a republican!

[liberal1973]

55. Yeah!

John McBush and Sarah Palin's policies are pigged in their very nature. Two lying and corrupt republicans.

[glancingthefuture]

62. I had hoped Obama would stay above the cess pool. This will

backfire.

[Bobbie Jo]

65. you again?

talk about backfiring. :rofl:

[stray cat]

72. Its a comment on change or dressing up

[glancingthefuture]

90. OP says it referred to Palin. that is what I was commenting on.

[Hutzpa]

126. You can troll off now

thanks for your concern...

[Hepburn]

67. Gobama!!!!

:applause:

[nyccitizen]

70. Mark my words: this will backfire big time...

The GOP will take it out of context and say that Obama called Palin a "pig" and use it to smear him and call him sexist. I assure you this will happen. I can see drudge now:

Obama: Palin "a pig"

[Bobbie Jo]

74. So? If the lipstick fits...

btw....she is a pig.

[knixphan]

77. And that's when Hillary and Boxer should come out.

And blast the GOP again. Loudly.

[CakeGrrl]

99. *THIS* is the type of situation where the Dems need to get Obama's back, and consistently

Whoever might be questioned about it needs to explain that:

1. Obama was clearly talking about McCain/Palin trying to repackage their theme of change;
2. Obama used two different analogies to describe it;
3. "Lipstick on a pig" has been around for a long, long time and has always meant that very thing.

The surrogates need to be concise and consistent...IF they're bothered with the question.

[alcibiades_mystery]

80. So what

Fight.

Your response should be: "Aw, c'mon. get a sense of humor!"

Good for the gander, good for the goose.

[eShirl]

81. then he can talk about how she fed at the earmark trough

before she was against it

[Midlodemocrat]

136. And kept the money.

[Hutzpa]

128. Another one

gosh, they all over the place.

[BeyondGeography]

71. And the crowd goes wild

[knixphan]

75. niiice.

Gloves off.

[flamingdem]

79. good one O man! nt

[Clear Blue Sky]

85. LOL! If the shoe fits...

Glad he is finally fighting back.

[flamingdem]

96. It's the exact size and has a comfy fit!

OINK OINK PIGGY PORKY PALIN

[scheming daemons]

87. Observation: All the people "concerned" about this have very low post counts....

Just noticing a pattern, that's all.

[glancingthefuture]

95. Maybe they are trying inject of sanity into this thread. I can not

see it as a good thing when this Sen. Obama tries to be funny and it backfires.

[anneboleyn]

101. You have consistently posted negative messages about how Obama is getting everything wrong

so don't be surprised if others posting here ignore you.

[glancingthefuture]

102. You are broad brushing my posts.

[redqueen]

106. Let me guess... you thought Failin's "lipstick on a pit bull" joke was HILARIOUS

didn't you?

It absolutely reeks in here. It reeks of flopsweat and freeper fear.

I FUCKIN LOVE IT!

[Bobbie Jo]

111. Look pal, I've had just about enough of your feeble attempts

to inject crap all over this board.

If you're shooting for a 'posting prize,' at this point it looks like you owe the McSame Camp at least 20 bucks and apology.

[bitchkitty]

146. Bull.

Nobody breathing is ignorant of the phrase, "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig".

Backfire my ass. This isn't an issue, no matter how hard you try to make it one.

[falcon97]

110. I've got a really low post count

and I think it is effing awesome. It's about time a Dem candidate took a stand against the Rethugs. I wish he had been talking about Palin at the time. It puts their make believe Sarah Palin biography squarely on the table. Now we need Bill to call it a fairy tale!

[Elidor]

118. Although I don't agree with their viewpoints, I try to remember

That they have less exposure to the groupthink that goes on at DU.

Personally, I'm thrilled to see Obama go there. He needs to learn that it's not 'wrong' to fight back. He can hit back HARD without being 'dirty' or 'nasty.' I don't think he realizes that. He's still trying to use facts and nuance, which misses a big part of the picture. If he is calling Palin a pig, he just got my attention.

I'm sure anyone who objects has never called anyone of the opposite sex anything unpleasant, right? They're all pure as the driven snow. ;)

[Ellen Forradalom]

139. I have been here since January 2001

And I'm concerned.

Republicans are damned good at dirty-ass politics. They will run with this. It was a needless gaffe.

[scheming daemons]

88. Observation: All the people "concerned" about this have very low post counts....

Just noticing a pattern, that's all.

[LiberalHeart]

98. I don't.

[redqueen]

100. I'm sure it's TOTALLY coincidental.

:P

They can shove it. It was a BRILLIANT line and she stupidly rolled out the red carpet for him with her idiotic 'pit bull' joke.

:bounce:

[ClayZ]

89. K and R GO OBAMA

[nc4bo]

91. I think there's way too many damn double standards going on...

Obama gets called (deliberately if I may add) all sorts of slime, lies told about him and his policies and history, borderline racist slurs and not one word from the piggie party in apology.

Yet, when he says one little thing at a freakin townhall - we're (using the term generally) instantly putting up apologies and begging for forgiveness from these hypocritical asshats.

I really hate the way things are right now.

[jefferson_dem]

103. Sludge sent his know-nothing minions to the politico thread...and this one apparently.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Obama_Lipstick_on_a_pig.html

[Curtland1015]

105. Oh for... look, I just thought it was amusing that the crowd thought of

Sarah Palin when he said the damn line, I didn't want to ignite a **** storm!

Can we just lock this thing up or something?

[redqueen]

107. Ah no... this is good... you're gettin 'em crawlin outta the woodwork.

:thumbsup:

[Fla Dem]

108. I think he's used that saying before there was a pitbull Palin. n/t

[yardwork]

109. I love it! It's exactly what I've been thinking.

[TwilightGardener]

112. Lipstick on a pig is exactly what the GOP is doing--same old shitty policies, but

new slogans and new pretty faces to dress it up. It's not Obama's fault that this woman decided to use animal and lipstick references for herself. What, is he never supposed to use a common saying again because of her?

[AkFemDem]

116. Better line would be "Put lipstick on a PORKER and SHE is still a pig"

That's right, I'll say it. It isn't sexist. It's just the truth and everyone knows it, even the republicans. :-)

[and-justice-for-all]

117. He was probably referring to the repigs in general...

and of course some people will take what they want from it.

[Raine]

119. GObama!!!!!!

That's telling it like it is! :bounce:

[DCBob]

120. Now we're talking!! Slam the pig with lipstick!

Figuratively of course. :)

[jillan]

121. Haha - I bet he didn't even realize what he said until he said it.

[chill_wind]

123. If I hear an apology, or I reject and denounce my comments--

I'm going to go stick my head in an oven...

[DCBob]

124. FYI: This is on FudgeReport.

OBAMA: 'LIPSTICK ON A PIG, STILL A PIG'

[Lugnut]

125. That's one of my favorite sayings.

The GOPers have been doing that a lot lately.

[LVjinx]

127. Rookie mistake. He'd best hope the networks don't cover this.

[knixphan]

129. CakeGrrl said it best: Dems need to close ranks on this.

Whoever might be questioned about it needs to explain that:

1. Obama was clearly talking about McCain/Palin trying to repackage their theme of change;
2. Obama used two different analogies to describe it;
3. "Lipstick on a pig" has been around for a long, long time and has always meant that very thing.

The surrogates need to be concise and consistent...IF they're bothered with the question.

[jillan]

130. Lipstick on a pig is a saying that has been around alot longer than Queenie.

[bullwinkle428]

133. Barack...if Michelle doesn't want to have any more children...

I WILL BEAR ONE FOR YOU!!!!! (and I don't even have a uterus!)

[S n o w b a l l]

138. McCain used it in the same context against Hillary...

<<McCain criticized Democratic contenders for offering what he called costly universal health care proposals that require too much government regulation. While he said he had not studied Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton's health-care plan, he said it was "eerily reminiscent" of the failed plan she offered as first lady in the early 1990s.

"I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig," he said of her proposal.>>

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/10/mccain_rolls_out_health_plan_a.html

So remember this and use it when the RW starts screaming sexism.

[Hawkowl]

140. THAT'S MY MAN!!

That's south side Chicago politics in action! Fuckin A!!!!

[Unsane]

141. Drudge/RW media are pushing it as though he called Palin a pig. Obama made a mistake with this one.

Sure, we KNOW what he meant. Anyone who isn't a complete lemming would understand he was making an analogy to GOP policies. But the American electorate is largely a bunch of lemmings who will accept the news exactly how it's packaged and reported--and this 'story' is being packaged to paint Obama as making a sexist, insensitive comment.

[FrenchieCat]

145. No you are making the mistake. You think we are that stupid?

If so, this would be proof that the media is in cahoots with the McCain Campaign. I've just sent what's below to those in my giant "friendly" press black book. Sent it to too many for it to be allowed to be twisted. But thank you for your concern. :eyes:

Obama talking about McCain stealing the Obama motto of Change - The Pig Comment in context
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPd4yk0x-eg

McCain talking about Hillary's Health Care plan - The Pig Comment in context
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxfEHt9hfHQ

Via Media Matters:

In a September 9 post on The Wall Street Journal's Washington Wire blog, reporter Amy Chozick baselessly asserted that Sen. Barack Obama's statement that "ou can put lipstick on a pig; it's still a pig" "played on Palin's joke during the Republican National Convention that the only difference between a pit bull and a hockey mom was lipstick." Chozick provided no evidence for this assertion, and, in fact, Obama did not mention Palin in at least the 65 words preceding his "lipstick on a pig" comment. Indeed, his preceding comments consisted of what he described as a "list" of Sen. John McCain's policies that Obama said were no different from President Bush's. Moreover, the expression Obama used is common in political rhetoric. As Chozick herself noted in an "update" to her post, McCain reportedly used the same "common expression" in reference to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's health-care proposal. Obama has also reportedly used it in the past.

Linking to a separate report on Obama's comments, conservative Internet gossip Matt Drudge placed the words "OBAMA: 'LIPSTICK ON A PIG, STILL A PIG' " under a picture of Palin.

A video clip posted on YouTube contains part of Obama's comments leading up to the "lipstick on a pig" expression:

OBAMA: Let's just list this for a second. John McCain says he's about change, too. Except -- and so I guess his whole angle is, "Watch out, George Bush, except for economic policy, health-care policy, tax policy, education policy, foreign policy, and Karl Rove-style politics. We're really gonna shake things up in Washington." That's not change. That's just calling some -- the same thing, something different. But you know, you can -- you know, you can put lipstick on a pig; it's still a pig.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200809090026

The McCain camp has jumped on the baseless 'sexism' charge, but perhaps they all need a lesson on the internetts, and a reminder about a little tool called YouTube. In October of 2007 while in DesMoines, Iowa, McCain spoke of Hillary Clinton's health care plan:

"My friends, we are approaching a 'perfect storm' of problems that, if not addressed by the next president, will cause our health-care system to implode," McCain said in using a Teleprompter to deliver his proposal.

"I believe Americans want to be part of a system that offers high quality care, that respects their individual dignity and is available at reasonable cost," the Arizona senator said. "Unfortunately, the American health care system as it is currently structured fails this test."

McCain criticized Democratic contenders for offering what he called costly universal health care proposals that require too much government regulation. While he said he had not studied Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton's health-care plan, he said it was "eerily reminiscent" of the failed plan she offered as first lady in the early 1990s.

"I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig," he said of her proposal.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/10/mccain_rolls_out_health_plan_a.html

And if that's not enough to shut the McCainbots up, maybe refreshing their memory with McCain and his supporters discussing 'How do we beat the bitch?'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8XBlxvA7AA

[cui bono]

147. Sadly, the posts in this thread show that a lot of DUers think he was talking about Palin

and are happy about that. *sigh*

This thread is very disappointing.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

151. McCain/Palin is no change only worse!

loved the lipstick line!