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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:13 PM
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McCain trying to make an issue out of "lipstick on a pig" is seriously backfiring.
I've been watching MSNBC all day, and they're having none of it. Matthews is eviscerating a puggie spokesman right now. I love it.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:15 PM
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1. Has anybody brought up the fact that McCain used that phrase in reference
to Hillary's health care plan? Has ANYBODY?

Regardless, glad to see they're not buying it.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:16 PM
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2. Contessa Brewer earlier on MSNBC...
She showed video of McCain using it. MSNBC had a note at the bottom saying McCain used the phrase twice.
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AirmensMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:17 PM
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4. Yes.
And Tweety talked about a book that explains how to use the phrase to talk about spin. The Tweety-I-like is on today ... at least for now.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:19 PM
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9. Matthews did today, along with a large number of other repukes who've used it.
Edited on Wed Sep-10-08 04:19 PM by No Surrender
Also had Torie Clark's book about putting lipstick on a pig on the set with him.

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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:24 PM
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16. Cool - thanks you guys. I was getting frustrated because I don't get
cable. I feel better now! :hi:
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mimir Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:19 PM
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10. Fighting fire with water
By fighting fire with fire when we are dealing with arsonists, we end up achieving the results that the arsonists desire. The Democrats always fall prey to these kind of tactics. And the nasty, vile, scum-puppet running much of this from the shadows (none other than impartial Fox contributor Turdblossom) is loving every minute of it, because his brand of political dirty work has been passed down from the father of public relations, throught the Nazis (believe it or not), to the evil but effective modern day propaganda practitioners. Well, so much for description of the enemy. How do we deal with this kind of thing effectively? I suggest first fighting fire with water, then running down and repeatedly exposing the ultimate source of these tactics. The water we use is swift response that shames the media (yes blame to the media for real sins and shortcomings, not the scapegoating and red herring "look over there" distractions that they use against the media) for treating this crap and these tactics with that false "fairness" and bogus even-handed treatment that the rabid right depends on and exploits. Yes, condemn people like Jane Swift (where is the sense of irony and "you gotta be kidding me?" that we should heap on that lady? - the model for Ms. Palin with the abuse of state goodies while she was in charge in Massachusetts) for putting this false controversy forward. Our people should be screaming and laughing - ridicule is the appropriate response. "You gotta be kidding me - Mr. Straight Talk used the phrase himself and there is nothing sexist about it," or "Ms. MSNBC interviewer, how can you sit there and treat these accusations seriously, when you are smart enough to know how fake and Rovian this is?" They do not have to treat every party to every dispute as if their point of view deserves equal treatment. If these so-called journalists and the Main Stream Media were around during World War Two, I could picture them on split screens giving Hitler equal time with his concentration camp victims. Not every situation has two real sides, unless you count right and wrong as equal sides. And sometimes there are more than two legitimate sides to an issue. But here, what we have is clearly a Carl Rove special. The theme is: if you are clearly in the wrong, ignore it, deny it, jump up and down screaming that the other side is doing something wrong. Rinse and repeat (how much extra shampoo did that sell?). When will our side learn? We have to repeatedly run over to the curtain, rip it aside or asunder, and show the nasty little fat balding guy pulling the levers.

Let me suggest a tactic of our own. Every time they pull something like this, let's get loads of people on the talk shows shaming the interviewers and the networks for crediting such crap. Let's hold up a picture of Rove and, each and every time, run through the list of scams, lies, frauds, and slanders. Mention Max Cleland, the Swiftboat jerks and the hatchet job they did on Kerry, go back to Turdblossom's earliest days of dirty (and probably felonious) tricks in Texas and eslewhere. Even talk about what he did to John McCain. Turn over the rocks and let people see the squirmy things underneath. Give credit (or blame, or prosecution) where it is due. Rove's tricks work. Look what happened to Dan Rather. Classic Rove. Rather and his crew are reporting on a legitimate Bush scandal - his Air National Guard dodge. They've got good evidence and, it turns out, some questionable stuff. That's all Turdblossom and his trolls needed. Dirty tricks jiu jitsu - turn the whole thing on its head. Suddenly the "biased media" is the issue and a story that should disqualify the Shrub is forgotten. GWB goes from Fortunate Son to victim of the media in a heartbeat. The original (legitimate and true) story is forgotten. I have often wondered whether the supposedly forged documents that caused the matter to be flipped on Rather and his people might have come from Rove and company (plant the stuff and watch the producers go for the bait). If so, they should be hung. If not, then their fast and nasty reaction to the discovery of the flawed reporting was awe inspiring. In any event, the fake controversy eclipsed the important story - the fact that Bush was a Chickenhawk protected by daddy and his friends, while Kerry was spilling blood for his country. We cannot let the Rove playbook continue to work.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:27 PM
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18. Welcome to DU!
:hi:

As to "let's get loads of people on the talk shows shaming the interviewers and the networks for crediting such crap." We bombard the networks and the hosts with our opinions, but there's not much more we can do. It would be great if we did have that kind of access and power.

Nice fantasy, though! One I'm sure many of us share! :7
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:20 PM
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12. Matthews did the smartest thing yet.
He searched LexisNexis and cited 4 or 5 republicans, McCain included, using the phrase in the last year.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:24 PM
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17. Slick! I like that!! nt
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:16 PM
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3. Haha. McCain/ Palin = Dipstick and Lipstick.
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BigAnth Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:38 PM
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20. I love it! Dipstick & Lipstick!
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:17 PM
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I do not believe it is backfiring....
the fact that it is even being discussed today is not a good thing...McCain's game plan is not to make this campaign about the real issues affecting americans but about phony issues and it worked today.
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:22 PM
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13. Yeah, but when they start losing on even the phony issues like today
Then what do they do?

I agree with you as an overall principle, but it is sure nice to see them get hung by their own rope like this once in a while too.
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Marsala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:22 PM
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14. But at a steep price
Now McCain is the candidate who cares more about lipstick than the issues facing the American people. A perfect point to mock him on.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:23 PM
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15. They tried to control the message.
The message is now "the republicans are ridiculous". That, by definition, is backfiring.

Are we not talking about issues? That republicans are idiots isn't an issue?
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:17 PM
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5. My thoughts exactly....
...if Tweety is any indication of how this is hitting folks, then IMO we are talking MEGA mistake by the forces of evil on the Lipstick bullshit.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:17 PM
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6. It's trivializing REAL sexism, it's distracting from REAL issues,
and it's insulting to any thinking person's intelligence.

I can not BELIEVE the media attention to this!!!!! :mad:
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Marsala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:18 PM
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7. God, what idiots.
The media must be loving this. Finally, a chance to call the Republicans on their bullshit.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:19 PM
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8. I know no one likes an "I-told-you-so"
But I tell you so!

:headbang:
rocknation
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:20 PM
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11. Chris Matthews just reading a "lipstick o n a pig" quote from none
other than Dick Cheney!
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livedemocarticordie Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:30 PM
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19. National Public RADIO is
absolutely killing Palin and McCain right now. They just did an extremely long piece on all this shit all making Palin look like a shrew and a shrill. They axed her whole thanks to no thanks thing first and looped her extraordinarily irritiating lying voice at least three times and then basically said she lied. They followed that up with a PIG with Lipstick story which included mutliple poltiicians in both parties over the years using the phrase including McCain! This absoilutely made my frigging day. I am still laughing. I have worked campaings since the 70s and let me tell you this a classic case of overplaying your dumb ass hand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The bloom is off the Palin rose as far as I can see and their lying weasel-ly arrogance helped trigger it. Plus my philosophy is do not whine to the press about the press. They will come back and eat you and your young!!!
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samuraiguppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 09:17 PM
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21. I am liking
Matthews more and more lately
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