Dean going to do hard time in Leavenworth now?

[J B]

This is re:

http://news.bostonherald.com/national/national.bg?articleid=409

Seems the direction I'm seeing.

I'm just asking, because this is single-handedly destroying any hope I have held out for politics. The talk of it, the joy at the prospect, the open hatred of Dean among Democrats - I haven't bothered to see what Republicans think - and the sheer corruptness of a selective prosecution for mishandling of intelligence and security information to destroy the candidacy of a presidential challenger.

Because frankly, I think it sucks.

[KoKo]

1. It was an honest mistake. In the rush to satisfy the media it was

"overlooked." I think Dean and his Campaign are smart enough to take care of this. It's obviously a "Mountain out of a Mole Hill" hyped by his enemies to get a "Screaming Headline" which makes it sound worse than it was. It will "backfire" on the enemies. Here's the statement from the article which shows it was just an error. They tried this with Hillary and the "lost files in the closet." They weren't sucessful then and they won't be now.

From the article:

"Dean campaign spokesman Jay Carson refused to comment. But Vermont Secretary of State Deborah Markowitz, a Democrat, said her office is equally to blame for the gaffe.
``Because of the very quick and intense interest in Gov. Dean's records, we simply missed this batch,'' Markowitz said. ``It was ultimately a result of the pressure our office had, we weren't ready for it.''
Markowitz said governors are supposed to exclude data not subject to public records laws. But, she said, her office is the last check. ``We're the custodian of the record. The buck stops here,'' she said.
The nuclear files have been removed from public view. Archivists and officials from the NRC will soon review all public documents to ensure there aren't other secret files available, officials said.

[Renew Deal]

3. If Dean and his staff can't protect information in VT

how would they in the whole US govt. We do not need any more Valerie Plame's.

[Hep]

5. We don't need any more CIA operatives?

What the hell kind of analogy is that? ITYM we don't need any more robert Novak's, although that just as bad. Maybe you shouldn't have even tried.

[KoKo]

8. What??? He was pressured to release his Governor's Papers, he did, and

there was a "clerical error." This is hardly comparable to Valerie Plame being outed by an enemy operative to silence her husband's report on discredited information which led us into an Invasion of Iraq?

Please!

[Hep]

16. Next thing you know

They're going to be comparing Dean to the people at Duke who made an error in blood typing a transplant patient.

[liberalnurse]

9. You are so pro-active....

I'm lost for words.......

[TLM]

15. The same folks who have been attacking Dean for sealing records...

are now attacking him for not being able to protect secrets?

:wtf:

[Phelan]

17. completely different issue

Those records are obviously not for release.
"Some of the documents regarding the Vermont Yankee nuke plant include so-called ``safeguards information,'' which is to be released under ``need to know requirements and . . . not publicly releasable,'' said NRC spokesman Scott Burnell." (Boston Herald)

So no person here is advocating the release of those records, what people want is the other boxes and boxes and boxes. That are not classified or violate Federal law. So yes, I want him to release the documents that we should be able to see; not classified information that we have no reason to have.

[Hep]

18. OIC

So you want to know who has AIDS or who is gay, but you don't want to know nuclear secrets. Thanks for the update.

[BuelahWitch]

22. I was thinking the same thing, TLM

Damned if you do, damned if you don't :eyes:

[Hep]

23. At least it's unbelievably transparent!

n/t

21. if this is true as to guilt

(edit -- this is supposed to be response to original message, not to response 1 & on re-reading, I hope my tone isn't too flip)

Then Dean will not do hard time, even if guilty (but let's be real).
Anyhow, even if guilty, he won't do hard time because that will mean that Clark or Kerry will be the next president instead & they will pardon him.
Hell, even if Bush gets reelected, he would pardon him

As long as we're engaging in fantasies here.

[Renew Deal]

2. Why does Dean release secret Nuke docs and names of people with AIDS

but not release anything else? I smell a rat. What is in those papers and why do they need to be hidden?

[Hep]

4. OK so you see a problem with the release of these records

yet you want more records released. Interesting how it never occurred to you that the bellowing and craying of the Liebermans of this campaign to see those records is at the heart of this, that it isn't Dean's fault at all, nor his campaign's.

[Renew Deal]

6. All I am saying is...

That he is careless with VT's records. Of course I want them released. Don't you? You want Bush's released too. If Dean can't handle this in a small state like VT, how can we trust him to protect America's secrets?

[TLM]

11. How can you question his ability to protect secrets...

as you demand he be less secretive?

Which is it?

[Hep]

13. It wasn't the campaign or Dean who was careless, and that isn't important

This is human error. I pointed this out already. When people like you jump on simple, human mistakes, it makes you out to be the overbearing school marm, rapping knuckles all willy nilly. It's good for us when you do that, because we look like supporters of a normal human being and you look like micromanagers.

The fact is, whoever your guy is hasn't done a good enough job to be the front runner, and yet you can't stop finding fault with the guy who is beating you. Go ahead and make a big deal out of this, suggest whatever you want. To err is human, to not forgive is something other than divine.

[TLM]

7. You gotta love the hypocrisy...

One day they scream Dean should release every record... then the next they attack him for having too much sensitive information made public.

[KoKo]

10. Well Bleachers, I'm sure there is a rat in those papers. Yes...

:crazy:

[liberalnurse]

12. Worthless, powerless, impotent

careless, useless and self-destructive thinking gets the party no-where.......

[J B]

14. The article sure doesn't seem to account for honesty.

Honest mistake equals hard federal time here, though apparently not for exposing covert CIA operatives and compromising national security re: WMD, instead of re: nuke plants.

See why this is killing my hope for politics?

[KoKo]

20. Getting back to you J B. I don't see why this should kill your hope.

We already went through this with 8 years of Clinton being attacked and then Gore and the Stolen Election. It isn't going to get better. We've all been expecting the Attack Dogs to be turned on the candidates.

Dean and all the other candidates knew this. We've gotta figure if they decided to run then they knew what was coming.

It's not going to get better unfortunately. I didn't realize that that old saying: "Politics is a Dirty Business" was true until the Watergate Break-in. Unfortunately it is. And with the Repugs in power it always goes into the garbage can and sewers to root out what they can on anyone. (I think they trashed Trent Lott one of their own, because they wanted Frist) They turn on their own and devour whatever is in their path.

Hang in J B.

[JNelson6563]

19. "Leavenworth"??

Wishful thinking??

[BuelahWitch]

25. Yeah don't give Holy Joe any ideas! n/t

[KaraokeKarlton]

24. Dean didn't personally go through the records before releasing them

Staff members would have done that. This kind of thing sometimes happens. It's not any different than the federal prosecutor against Moussaoui (sp?) sending him Classified documents in his jail cell to review.

The records are where they should be now, so it's no big deal, and it's certainly NOT Dean's fault. Someone who sorted through the records screwed up. Water under the bridge. :shrug:

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