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holiday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 08:29 AM
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SO we are suppose to believe polls are tied when McCain
can't even draw a crowd???

I have said this before I will say it again, I feel like I'm living 2004 election all over again. Let me guess, election day Obama will be winning and then Bush will show up on t.v. and all the sudden Obama will lose later in the night... Something totally didn't feel right that day and I don't like to be all conspiracy theorists, but something wasn't right. I went to work that day confident we were winning.

there really is no explanation for McCain's bump, that I know is dwindling but how is he tied with Obama? With everything that the republicans have messed up?? Palin's popularity is dwindling, most people see her as a nutjob, and the only people who do like her are nutjobs.

Something doesn't feel right
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 08:30 AM
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1. I take those polls with lots of grain of salt.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 08:31 AM
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2. Ask 100 Democrats and 100 Republicans who they're voting for.
Presto! Even polls.
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Lost4words Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 08:31 AM
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3. the polls are as dependable as diebold voting machines!
which the democrat majority did nothing about!

8643
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holiday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 08:36 AM
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6. yes, I posted about this.. dems r crazy for not using their
advantage in Congress to change some of this crap or we will always have fixed elections!
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 08:31 AM
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4. Its not McCain, its Palin.
He doesn't draw crowds, she does.

Anybody that says its not Palin is kidding themselves. On the other hand, it is a good strategy to remind people she isn't the top of the ticket.
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holiday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 08:38 AM
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8. that's why i think we should keep reminding people that he is
such a WEAK candidate he can't even campaign without his vp.

Obama can draw a huge crowd, with no vp with him

McCain is such a weak candidate, the focus is so much on Palin, they need to realize HE is who they are going to be stuck with!
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 09:14 AM
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15. McCain doesn't draw crowds - he draws flies.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 09:22 AM
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16. I'm sure that isn't good for his temper either.
lol.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 08:31 AM
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5. I don't believe the polls either...
and agree with you. Something is definitely not right. How could Obama raise 66M, 500,000 new registered voters, and be lagging in the polls. I don't believe it.
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Boz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 08:40 AM
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9. The polls lag for days so they are still reporting bounce attention and they dont measure NEW voters
Edited on Tue Sep-16-08 08:42 AM by Boz
In 2004 it was "believed" there would be a large democrat surge coming in November because bush sucked, it never happened.

The difference now is there is a just such a measurable surge happening, not a believed surge in votersin the near future that we are waiting for, but a real, backed up by the state registrars offices all around America, surge in NEW DEMOCRATS.

And none of them are reachable by the pollsters in any kind of significant and measurable way because their contact info is not part of the lists the pollsters use.

SO the polls show ties, but the reality is the deck is stacked Democrat and I know it so I dont sweat the close stuff.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 08:50 AM
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11. I hope you're right....
makes sense to me.

:hi:
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nradisic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 08:36 AM
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7. It is the way they poll....
The polls may be close given who they are polling. We know for a fact that people who are brand new voters or people who only have cell phones DO NOT GET POLLED. In my belief, if you include the folks who fir those two categories make up an additional 10% if not more of the electorate, especially those younger, new voters supporting and planning to vote for Obama.

My gut tells me the final tally nationally will be much more in Obama's favor.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 08:43 AM
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10. I believe the polls are roughly correct- insofar as they go and
I keep in mind that they largely don't reflect new voters or those who have no landline phone. But yeah, they're probably damn close. Palin has helped and there's still a lot of racism.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 09:00 AM
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12. We should also take the photos of near-empty rallies with a grain of salt.
Edited on Tue Sep-16-08 09:02 AM by Orsino
I've notice that there are very, very few McCain bumper stickers out there, versus quite a few for Obama. This implies that if there are a lot of Republican voters out there, they are no longer as proud of their affiliation--but it doesn't mean that they won't turn out to vote against ScaryBlackMan(tm).

Polls with secret or bogus methodologies, proprietary voting machines and captive media mean we won't get a good picture of the electorate this year. These factors mean that McCain will look viable for as long as possible.

Job One (or two or three) for the new Democratic government next year will be to restore control of the voting process to us, if they won't give us back our media.
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holiday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 09:03 AM
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14. I agree.. I'm in republican part of Ohio, last election there were
Bush signs everywhere... this election, only a very few McCain signs. I thought it was lack of enthusiasim as well.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-16-08 09:01 AM
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13. Crowds don't mean shit.
Obama drew bigger crowds in New Hampshire than Hillary.

He drew bigger crowds than her in Pennsylvania.

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