Dean fails to mention credit for his ghostwriter in his book.

[Bread and Circus]

According to the 01/12/2004 Newsweek "Periscope" section,
Dean is the only one of the 6 Dem canditates who used a ghostwriter
but failed to give credit for the ghostwriter in the book.

Kucinich: no ghost writer
Clark: no ghost writer (and didn't plaster his face on the front
cover either)

Edwards: used ghost writer but gave credit to ghost writer on
front cover

Kerry, Gep, Sharpton, and Lieb: used ghost writers and gave credit

Dean: Used ghost writer but did not mention it in book.

---

I think this is telling about character, transparency,
and forthrightness. Interpret it as you will.

[RetroLounge]

1. Poop!

Interpret it as you will...

[Bread and Circus]

4. What? Your briliant retort? I would expect something a little more..

persuasive and eloquent.

[Scott Lee]

10. It was a fitting retort.

Poop likens poop. It's a natural mandate.

[RetroLounge]

16. Okay, how about this?

BFD!

[Bread and Circus]

18. I think it is a BFD (as you put it) -- it is about giving credit...

where credit is due.

Sorry, but character is really important to me.

[DemDogs]

33. We can't attack GWB's character unless we have a spotless character

We know how every flaw of the Democratic candidate will be magnified. So we have to have a candidate who has a spotless character. This information is useful because it shows yet another example of Dean's vulnerability on character and integrity. (Speaking of which, I thought Clark did have a ghost writer. Certainly he is vulnerable to attack with the words of his former commanders who challenged both his character and integrity -- words I think the Dean campaign jumped on -- when it wasn't about Dean.)

[cryofan]

19. apparently "poop" is some sort of code word used to...

...attract other supporters of a certain candidate. They search DU for that word and then they can gang up on posts that show that candidate in a bad light.

[QC]

28. "Please Offer Only Praise" n/t

[BobbyJay]

6. Your candidate? Yes

Anyone who runs on a platform of raising taxes on everyone deserves to get called "poop".

[KaraokeKarlton]

9. www.bushtax.com

www.bushtax.com

[BobbyJay]

12. ohhhh, a Dean website!!!

My property taxes went up under CLINTON. Dean has nothing to do with how states spend their money.


Keep telling yourself that Dean isn't a loser, though.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

45. If you're so worried about taxes...

Vote Republican.


Oh wait, but first get a job that pays over $200,000 a year.

[dsc]

2. You do realize that Newsweek has stuff on line, dont you?

Has it occured to you to find a link?

[Scott Lee]

3. Oh my GOD...the sky is falling!

I really don't see how Western Civilization can withstand such a thing.

We are doomed.

[neverforget]

11. It's about giving credit where credit is due.

[Scott Lee]

38. or is it really much a doo-doo about nothing?

Yeah, its that. You guys are running out of material.

Correction: You RAN out of material.

[RUexperienced]

5. Neither did Hillary... What's the big deal?

[kayleybeth]

21. Hillary didn't use a ghostwriter

That was debunked a long time ago.

[RUexperienced]

41. Hillary's Ghost writer was Barbara Feinman

Do a google search for Hillary ghostwriter feinman. You will be surprised.

[rucky]

7. um....GHOST writer?

bfd

[rucky]

8. On second thought...

this piece of information just put me over the edge.

No more Dean for me.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

17. Really? The book of Job thing was pretty bad

It's bad because he claims to read the bible a lot- but not knowing it's OT rather than NT is pretty bad. I mean REALLY BAD.
It looks like he's a phony.

[QC]

29. That's all just a misquote!

What he actually said was that the best *job* he ever had was when he was hired to read the *New Testament* to orphans.

[SOS]

62. Profiles in Courage

was written by Ted Sorensen.
Would any Democrat have voted for Nixon in 1960 based on JFKs credit on the cover of that book? Hopefully not.

[mistertrickster]

13. Let's compare--Dean: used ghostwriter didn't credit him/her

Bush: worked the country into a war of invasion over WEAPONS of MASS DESTRUCTION!

On the Richter lie scale, the first one is .008 and the second one is 8.5 points.

If you all keep this up after Dean gets the nomination, I'm gonna get peeved . . .

Dean isn't a candidate--he's a movement. He's not what carries this campaign--it's the people who work for his campaign. He's just the guy that had the vision to kick it off. We're doing it--all he has to do is show up.

[Sensitivity]

63. Is name is not even on the new Kerry Book? But guess who looses

Some of us want to win.

[sandnsea]

14. Biden plagiarized in college

It sunk his campaign and has haunted him since. Wonder when people will ever figure out most Americans care about these things.

[JI7]

30. do you know what year ?

do you know what year biden ran ? i remember hearing about the plagiarizing thing but didn't know it was in college which doesn't make it seem as bad. it's too bad though since i think he would have made a good president. same goes for gary hart .

[sandnsea]

36. 1987, but I was misstaken

It was plagiarizing speeches. I could have sworn there was something about college, guess not.

"The example of Joseph R. Biden, Jr. illustrates this. Biden was a U.S. presidential aspirant who in 1987 was exposed for having plagiarized the speeches of some other politicians, such as British Labour Party leader Neil Kinnock. This caused much moralizing in the media (some of it ghostwritten) and contributed to Biden dropping out of the race for president."

[BobbyJay]

15. Dean fails to explain why he has a miserable tax plan

Dean fails to explain why he wants to return the Democratic party to the 1980's.

[hellhathnofury]

49. www.bushtax.com

What middle class tax cut?

[Skwmom]

20. Yet another example

of what a forthright and honest person Dean is (sarcasm off). This is supposed to be the savior of the Democratic party?

[mistertrickster]

22. I think that's part of our problem--as progressives, we have a very

high moral sense of justice and fairness etc. We're always looking for the candidate who can live up that high standard. Unfortunately, Jesus Christ died 2000 years ago and didn't seem very interested in running things when he had the chance.

Until we find a "savior," let's be content to work for ordinary men.

[Skwmom]

23. I'm not looking for a saint

but if the party has to set the bar this low - what is the difference between Democrats and Republicans?

[mistertrickster]

53. Well, if you think that Dean's "lies" are in the same league as "vast

stockpiles of WMD's" (Bush) or "I can't remember whether I okay-ed the illegal war against the Sandinistas by illegally selling arms to Iran," (Reagan) then by all means, vote Republican . . .

[RetroLounge]

57. Hard to tell here.

I would elaborate, but my post would get deleted.

[Don Claybrook]

24. Time for romper room and terminology class

What is a ghostwriter? Hint: it's different than a co-author.

www.m-w.com
One entry found for ghostwrite.
Main Entry: ghost·write
Pronunciation: 'gOs(t)-"rIt
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): ghost·wrote /-"rOt/; ghost·writ·ten /-"ri-t&n/
Etymology: back-formation from ghostwriter
Date: 1927
intransitive senses : to write for and in the name of another
transitive senses : to write (as a speech) for another who is the presumed author
- ghost·writ·er noun

[Bread and Circus]

25. Just compare the candidates, as far as I know...

neither Shakespeare nor Webster (as in Dictionary) is
on DU.

The point is that if you write something on your own
it is more respectable. Period.

Secondly, if someone helps you write a book, you
should give them credit. Period.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

26. reference above actions by other candidates re: same

then throw away your m-w and pull out an ethics book. Actually political handbook would be more approriate since Dean has given ammo to his foes.

[Don Claybrook]

27. By golly, you're right!

This ghostwriting stuff is almost as bad as borrowing a medal that isn't your own so you can make a political statement with it.

Thanks for helping me to see the light!

[NewYorkerfromMass]

31. Must be nice to have the medals to begin with

eom

[Don Claybrook]

35. Relevance to subject at hand (or any other subject)?

There is none. Can we stick to the point, or shall we have a "my candidate is a better flag-waver than yours" conversation?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

37. My candidate has more integrity

Kerry gets smeared for saying he threw his own medals when the fact is he never said it. Dean's honesty is certainly questionable.

[Scott Lee]

39. And really knows how to hide taxes offshore!

That Mr. Integrity, John Kerry.

[Don Claybrook]

40. I could go tit for tat

The fact is, I like Kerry OK.

But if you're going to try to claim that your candidate has more integrity, then you have some further explaining to do. I'm going for a gentle landing here, because as I said, I like Kerry, but don't you think Kerry on Sunday attributed statements to Dean that weren't true (think Diane Rehm show)?

[Nay]

32. Thank you, Don, I was just going to write something similar.

Ghostwriters generally do not get credits for things they write. That's why they call it GHOSTwriter. Nothing devious or weird about Dean not giving the writer credit. It's a common and accepted thing in the writing world.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

34. compare what the other candidates did

that was the point of the post.

[incapsulated]

42. I don't care if "Hillary did it too"

I'm sick of Dean supporters excusing his behaviour with "so-and-so did it too!" It's especially puke-worthy when they actually use Bush as some sort of standard for behaviour.

It's about character and integrity. Period.

This isn't a big deal in itself, it's that these sorts of stories are adding up to create a portrait of a man that's not very pretty.

[Lefta Dissenter]

43. Cap, THANK YOU! (eom)

[billbuckhead]

44. Why is it not surprising that Clark and Kucinich wrote their own?

That's a higher standard of leadership in action.

[clarknyc]

46. Maybe they weren't so busy?

haha ha...nevermind.

[revcarol]

47. You mean "unemployed" Howard had less time than a lobbyist

and a sitting full-time Congressman?LOL

[clarknyc]

48. It was an attempt at humor.

And nothing more. Perhaps not a good one, but not meant to stir up the hornets nest further.

An aside: am I wrong, or didn't this place used to be a bit more fun and a bit less full of divisiveness?

[revcarol]

52. Sorry, sez she,

groveling.

Gotta take a break from DU. When I can't even recognize humor...

[Printer70]

51. Perhaps

Since Dean had to raise his money at the grassroots level. This takes longer than Clark's ring kissing ceremony at the DLC which unlocked $10M of center-right money.

[hellhathnofury]

50. So you can make the Hillary thread in GD.

I think Hillary is a good standard of behavior.

[bitchkitty]

56. Bullshit -

it's about a desperate person trying to smear the front runner. Why don't you read the definition of GHOSTWRITER again? If you're still having trouble, PM me with your phone # - I'll try to explain it to you using small words.

[RetroLounge]

58. Don't bother.

They can't recognize the truth, or facts, or even definitions for that matter.

and small words elude them also. Remember, "Writer" is 2 syllables, that confused them.

[incapsulated]

64. Dean is the one doing the "smearing"

Please explain to me, in small words if you like, how a man can go crying to the DLC about negative "attacks" and then turn around and approve of handing out negative leaflets at Clark events?

Oh, and in case you hadn't heard, just because someone uses a ghostwriter, doesn't mean they don't ever give them credit. None of the other candidates felt they needed to take credit all on their own, but your guy did. Why?


The only bullshit around here is Dean's new movement. He is the same old bullshit.

[bitchkitty]

54. Who cares?

You can't do better than this? Pathetic.

[revcarol]

55. Some Democrats might want transparency, no secrecy,

some honesty...Dean fails the test.

[jcgadfly]

59. all of them fail that test

If you can get God to run for office, let me know.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

60. Bushlite will suffice then apparently

by that reasoning.

[jcgadfly]

61. my point

My point in that is that all of the candidates who have gotten media scrutiny has been caught in some sort of dishonesty.

Clark was a staunch Bush supporter until he decided to be a Democrat right before the campaign.

Kerry threw someone else's medals during a Vietnam War protest and claimed them as his own.

Dean took a stance as being the only anti-war candidate in the race.

The others may have deceptions in their record too. They just don't get media scrutiny.

The person I responded to wants complete and perfect honesty from their candidate. Last time I checked, all of them are human and can't be perfectly honest. The only being who can claim perfect honesty is the Deity. Again, if you can get the Deity to run, let me know.

As far as your snide comment - I don't want Bush lite. That's why I'm not voting for Kerry, Lieberman, Gephardt or Edwards. They stood shoulder to shoulder with their president when they needed to stand up for the American people.

[Alex146]

65. O my god!!!!!!!!!!

This is obviously the sign of a massive fucking Dean conspiracy!!

We should all vote for Clark now!

Anybody but Dean!