Entire state of New Jersey endorses Dean

[DeanIsAPitbull]

Posted on Fri, Dec. 19, 2003

McGreevey endorses Howard Dean
JOHN P. McALPIN
Associated Press

TRENTON, N.J. - Gov. James E. McGreevey endorsed Howard Dean for the Democratic nomination for president on Friday, saying the former Vermont governor shares his support for middle-class families.

"We need a president who believes that the most important things in America are the economy, the environment and our children's future," McGreevey said during a joint appearance with Dean.

McGreevey also used his time before the crowd of about 600 union members, party workers and Dean supporters to fault both President Bush and former Republican Gov. Christie Whitman for policies he says cost the states by raising debt and taxes for the middle class.

"When did fiscal irresponsibility upset social intolerance as the message of the Republican Party?" McGreevey asked.

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[Jack_Dawson]

1. Dear God

Perhaps others can still be saved.

[slinkerwink]

4. resistance is futile.....lay down your arms

;-)

[libview]

13. I REALLLY hate that picture of Dean

#

[libview]

14. Am I the only one?

#

[Bozola]

18. Yes, you are.

[meow mix]

40. me too!

usually it just makes me laf though..
he's such a good pretender, plays dress-up like bush does haha

[w4rma]

20. You are entitled to your opinion. My opinion of it is very positive. (n/t)

[slinkerwink]

31. rotflmao!

:-D Here's another response from me so you can see my sig line again...

[NewYorkerfromMass]

32. Well, since you don't have a picture like this

I guess you'll have to make do....

[slinkerwink]

41. too bad your man voted for the war and killed 500 soldiers in the process

through his vote.

[meow mix]

43. silver-spoon gets to go skiing..

skiing! with his horrible back problems? LOL
i find it insulting that he thinks people fall for such crap.

[mb7588a]

48. Resistance is futile?

Sounds like something a freeper would use.

[DemOutWest]

7. They deserve

each other. New Jersey and Dean.

New Jersey the home of the new York Giants and Jets.

One man speaks for a state! My oh my. Pretty soon Dean will be speaking for all of us.

[MaineDem]

8. Sometimes the light at the end of the tunnel...

just turns out to be New Jersey!

The headline is a bit misleading, no?

[Patriot_Spear]

2. Georgia AND New Jersey? hhhhhmmmmm...

We are Dean: we will add your political unique-ness to our own. Resistance is Futile.

:evilgrin:

[windansea]

37. Data to Captain Picard

Sensors indicate the temperature in New Jersey is now 39.1 degrees and the Dean has assimilated the entire state..they have adapted and now support the middle class...

[Jerseycoa]

51. NJ Gov's approval rating isn't that high nt

[demnan]

3. I'm sure Dean appreciates the endorsement

but it's kind of egotistical for the Governor to state that all of New Jersey is for Dean, he can't speak for everyone in his state.

[slinkerwink]

10. ti wasn't the governor that said that, it was u.s. rep Pallone

look at the text below.

"The entire state of New Jersey essentially is going to endorse Dean today," said Pallone.

[Westegg]

25. Pallone quote

"The entire state of New Jersey essentially is going to endorse Dean today," said Pallone.

Uh, what does that even MEAN?

[wryter2000]

5. Entire State of Euphoria endorses Dean

I'm a Deanie, but let's keep our feet somewhere near the ground.

[goobergunch]

6. Copyright - please edit your post so that only 4 paragraphs are excerpted

Good news for Dean however...pity that NJ has a June primary.

And yeah, there are some New Jerseyians (such as Rep. Rothman) who haven't endorsed Dean.

[CMT]

9. NJ is looking like a strong Dean state

I know it is a late primary but if it is a protracted primary fight it will be good to have NJ in our corner.

[demvoter]

11. Come on guys

Lets stay UNITED and :toast: Dean!
Why don't some of the Dems like Dean? I think he's great and he has my vote! I like a Dean, Clark ticket.

[MaineDem]

15. "Stay" united?

Until the Democratic party has a nominee...maybe not until the convention in July...one candidate will not unite the voters. That's the purpose of the primary system.

Remember, not one vote has actually been cast yet. Let's wait and see what the actual voters say about any of the candidates.

And welcome to DU. :hi:

[Gloria]

12. Gee, McGreevey is so popular in NJ...Dean better be careful!

McGreevey popularity may rub off on him!! LOL

(Former lifelong Jerseyan here)

[Jerseycoa]

33. So true

I can't help it, I feel sorry for Howard Dean. But Christy Whitman's probably thanking him very much tonight.

Me, I'm just laughing my ass off. :evilgrin:

(Jerseyan here)

[mindfulNJ]

16. well that settles it...

I guess I don't need to vote in the primary then.:eyes:

[NewYorkerfromMass]

17. I thought you were joking but then I read the article

what an idiot. And people wonder if there will be a Dean backlash....

[Patriot_Spear]

19. I guess you have to have a 'lash', before you can have a 'backlash'

Thanks for the compliment!

[DeanIsAPitbull]

21. Yes, there will be a huge backlash and everyone will vote for Kerry

<sarcasm>

[Patriot_Spear]

23. I would like to quote John Kerry on that subject...

Does everyone remember the first debate?

John Kerry: "Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean...!"

ouch.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

30. could happen

it's quite possible.

[TrueAmerican]

22. Talk about a dishonest title

I opened the thread expecting a complete list of New Jersey voters endorsing Dean and I get this bias tripe.

[Patriot_Spear]

24. Yes. Dishonesty is a real turn off.

We should all try to keep it honest and above board.

[DeanIsAPitbull]

27. It's a quote from the article!

I didn't make it up.

[MaineDem]

28. Actually, it's not a quote

And it's not even an edited quote.
It's misleading.

[DeanIsAPitbull]

29. It's not a quote from the article?

explain that one.

[bushisanidiot]

26. Yeah, Baby! There's NO Stoppin This Train!

Dr. Dean's goin' all the way to the white house to serve AWOL his eviction notice!!

[Moderator]

34. DeanIsAPitbull

Per DU copyright rules
please post only 4
paragraphs from the
news source.

Thank you.


DU Moderator

[maddezmom]

35. good endorsement for Dean

but I think Pallone may be overstating a tad.

[in_cog_ni_to]

36. That statement could create a huge backlash.

IMO Especially if I supported another candidate! That is in the same vein as the Gore endorsement. "I think everyone should just get behind Dean" and "The entire state of New Jersey essentially is going to endorse Dean today." Whoa momma! Would I be pissed as hell if I lived in NJ...considering I wouldn't be endorsing Dean. Any NJ DUer Clark, Kerry, Gep, Kucinich, Sharpton, Lieberman, Edwards and CMB supporters out there??? How's this sit with you? Just curious.

"The entire state of New Jersey essentially is going to endorse Dean today," said Pallone.

[Hep]

39. Will people PLEASE stop taking things so literally.

It was a significant portion of NJ party leaders. He didn't mean it literally. He was just talking about the numbers that came out in support.

This is getting a little ridiculous, don't you think?

[in_cog_ni_to]

42. YOU are accusing others of being ridiculous?

Hahahahaha! That is too funny. The statement was inappropriate and you know it. I don't care if it was literal or not. He said it. Another page out of the Gore play book. As long as this stuff is posted, I will give an opinion on it and I really don't think I need Hep's permission to do that.

[Hep]

45. I'm accusing others of taking things too literally

It's right there in the subject line.

:shrug:

Anyway, think what you want. It's cool.

[in_cog_ni_to]

47. OK, I like thinking what I want. Thanks. n/t

[Hep]

49. Glad to help

And by the way, I was calling the behavior ridiculous, not the people. But then, that kind of nuance is OFTEN misinterpreted here. It's kinda what caused this whole thing in the first place.

So it reminds me to ask again for people to please think about people's words before jumping to conclusions about them. I know, I know, it's too late and don't tell you what to do. Gotcha.

[Jerseycoa]

44. NJ DUer Clark

Not to worry. We wouldn't want McGreevey anywhere near our candidate. We're talking about a governor whose approval ratings in the mid-30s actually DROPPED a point AFTER the November election wins. This is a guy who started an Office of Government Integrity to spin off corruption charges, appointed the head of the Office of Government Integrity and then made him assistant attorney-general as a bonus. I don't know why he bothered. There already was an Executive Committee on Ethical Standards and all seven members of it, they report to McGreevey, also have posts in the McGreevey administration.

It's to laugh.

Oh, here I go again :evilgrin:

[in_cog_ni_to]

46. Okay then!

:7 I'm sure the majority of NJ voters will hang on his every word and trust what he says. :eyes: No wonder I see that :evilgrin:.

:bounce:

[ShadowCabinet]

52. I really don't get this McGreevey hostility from NJ Dems.....

As a fellow New Jerseyan, can someone honestly say what it is that McGreevey has done wrong other than to constantly quote approval ratings polls???

This state was a mess following Christie Whitman's all-to-hasty departure from Drumthwacket (the Governor's mansion for my fellow non-NJ DU'ers). We had record deficits, the DMV mess, the EZ-Pass fiasco and the like.

So here comes McGreevey. He balances the budget without raising state income taxes or sales taxes. The DMV is getting cleaned up and is not the nightmare it was, and EZ-Pass now actually works.

This constant anti-McGreevey chorus from supposed "NJ Dems" really makes me wonder what you really want in a Governor? As for Jim McGreevey endorsing Howard Dean, well.....not to inspire any flaming but NJ is now going solidly for Dean. Governor's endorsement or not.

[jmaier]

38. I called my mother in law

who lives in Union County, NJ and she assured me that she has not yet endorsed Howard Dean. Furthermore, she has no intention of endorsing any candidate until the N.J. votes are cast.

[Tom Rinaldo]

50. New Jersey is a Machine State

More so than most certainly. NJ is usally a very dependable Democratic stronghold. That frequently breeds insider based politics. Insider based politics is not an evil thing, but it does often mean that people move in relative lock step once a decision is reached. I for one do not underestimate the significance of Deans victory lining up that slate of Party leaders in NJ.

In this particular case I actually know a bit about what actually happened in NJ because, as chance would have it, I have a customer from my business who has become a friend, and he is politically close to McGreevey. I do not want to break any confidence here so I will remain somewhat vague, but what I will say is true. I fully understand if some may question all or part of my following comments based on that need to remain vague, so take it with a grain of salt or reject it if you wish.

My friend is now "officially" backing Dean because he is politically alligned with the Govorner. For what it is worth he personally believes that Clark would make a stronger candidate for the Democratic Party than would Dean. I started talking to him about Clark before Clark declared. I was given to believe that Clark had a very serious chance to win the backing of the Gov., and that, in the end, what swung it to Dean was Gore's endorsement of Dean.

As you can imagine, I was extremely disappointed, and I actually received a "condolences call" from my friend during which we briefly talked about some of the behind the scenes maneuvers that had taken place. I gather that Gore's move was unexpected, and it changed a number of political caluculations. Some of NJ's key political leaders have traditionally been allied with Gore. It is not so much that Gore "owned" their loyalty because he did not, things are rarely so blatent. But Gore going over to Dean changed the equation in two fundemental ways. The first and most obvious one is that Democratic politicians in NJ who historically have been allied with Gore, were they now to endorse anyone other than Dean, would be breaking with Gore on a key political decision. That is a mule of a completely different color than simply going out on a limb to endorse one candidate over another. The second key factor was, simply put, the bandwagon concept. Given that there was politically something to be gained by falling in behind Gore rather than opposing him on this matter, and given that Dean was already the strong front runner, who obviously would be further helped by Gore's endorsement, it made sense to back Dean sooner rather than later, so as to get a relatively good seat on Dean's bus.

I am not saying that Dean might not have won those NJ endorsements anyway had Gore stayed out of the race. He might have, but Gore certainly helped to hasten the decision. And I am not blaming Dean's campaign or his backers for the work they did to secure Gore's endorsement. They were obviously effective in their efforts, and it paid off for them. Heck I was trying to play inside politics myself by talking to my friend about Clark in the first place. What I can say is that my friend at least, was not going to come out for Clark or anyone else before McGreevey made his decision, that Gore was an important factor, and now that McGreevey is backing Dean, my friend has "fallen in line" behind Dean despite some personal misgivings.

What does this all say? Well for one thing I felt a certain degree of irony responding to a Dean supporter on another thread who was so upset abuot tha likelyhood that Clark might tap into an insider Political machine to steal the nomination away from Dean, by lining up establishment Democratic super delegates to oppose Dean, rather than defeating him on his own merrits. Dean is no longer just the insurgent candidate people. That doesn't mean that Dean doesn't have a large,active and very impressive grass roots movement supporting him, because Dean certainly does. But Dean is certainly playing insider politics now, with Gore's help, as well as the best of them, and why shouldn't he? I am not scandalized by that.

This is the main reason why I wrote my long thread "The Establishment Politicains Have Already Lost", which some of you may have read. That title might sound ironic in this context, but by that I meant it is my belief that the Party is on the verge of bailing ship on Kerry, Gephardt, Lieberman, and Edwards. Some of the party regulars, not all but some, are concluding that a traditional candidate can not win this year, and given that, they will no longer march out onto a limb to support one. I believe Gore helped crystalize that thinking. So if Clark is not the man to emerge out of the first few weeks of contests positioned best to compete against Dean, then whoever does will be outflanked by more and more insiders hopping onto Dean's wagon.

I still believe Clark can win, and I laid out my specific reasoning regarding that elsewhere. But because of the type dynamic that just played out in NJ, I do not think any of the other candidates can. They will be cut short before they have a chance, "The Party" will call the contest by piling on against them. Only another insurgency campaign, with the unpredictable fire of true grass roots enthusiasm, would give pause to that dynamic playing out, in my opinion. Clark could restore balance to the race if he emerges as the alternative to Dean, because he does have such a movement, and that would allow some party leaders to consider backing him afterall, if they truly are concerned that Dean would lose in 2004.

I am off to a bluegrass concert. I will check back later tonight.

[GalleryGod]

53. McGreevey Should Worry About His OWN Re-Elect Polls!

One Term Jim, if he doesn't get squared-away. This endorsement is "gonna kill him" with the folks from Hamilton Township to Moonachie and back to Jersey City ,again.
Bad Advice from "Heavey Kevey" Hagan!:wtf: