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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:12 PM Original message |
700 Billion. That's almost $3000 for every man woman and child in America |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
1. Do you have a job? |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
50. Self employed with good job security.. should have put that in the OP |
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anneboleyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Do you really expect your self employment to survive a serious depression? Highly optimistic, if so |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #54 |
85. No but no ones job will survive a serious depression. |
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soulcore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
2. Here, here! |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. It isn't the people who rubber-stamped subprime mortgages who are going to suffer. |
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soulcore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Please show me the proof that this will lead to a depression. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Wait. You admit that it will break Wall Street, and then ask |
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soulcore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Maybe our economy shouldn't be based on credit then. n/t |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Feel free to come up with and implement such a system. |
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soulcore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Credit does not equal capitalism. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. No, it's simply the foundation of the entire world economy, and has been for centuries. |
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soulcore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. That's a strawman argument. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. No, it is not. "Credit is important" is not a straw man. |
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soulcore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. my mistake, I forgot the two zeros. |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
41. That is a beautiful analogy. Do you mind if I borrow it? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Go right ahead. |
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soulcore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. And I see it as so... |
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torbird (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #43 |
68. Gold Standard? |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #68 |
78. No fuck you you pathetic little fucking weenie |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Jesus. |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Did you read the post that I responded to? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Yes, I did... |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #88 |
94. Thanks... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
57. Hear hear. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. "Depressions hurt *everyone,* and the rich least of all." |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #7 |
60. Theyll' suffer too, but in a different way |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
3. Yes. Bubble up. |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
4. I agree. $700 billion is too much to spend because maybe... |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
5. "Fuck you. I've got mine." |
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soulcore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. You're fear-mongering. n/t |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Pointing out that actions have consequences is not "fear-mongering." |
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soulcore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Main street has felt the pinch longer than anyone. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. The fact that average Americans have seen a recession is not an excuse to make things worse. |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
66. The Bailout will lead to hyperinflation |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 09:09 AM Response to Reply #66 |
108. No, it will not. Ron Paul is an idiot. Yesterday over a trillion dollars were lost when the market |
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TNMOM (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. 'actions have consequences' --- so do risks. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. Indeed they do. However, we're moving beyond the point where the people being hurt |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #36 |
53. So your solution is to bail out both the people who got screwed and |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 09:14 AM Response to Reply #53 |
109. Saying "let's not fix the economy because it would help the people who did the screwing too," |
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TNMOM (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
28. 'actions have consequences' --- so do risks. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
29. I'm not even arguing anymore. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #29 |
48. The more I read, the more I think |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. Very ugly... and unnecessarily so. |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Pot meet kettle. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Are you taking my "measley job" as a direct attack on you? |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:57 PM Response to Reply #63 |
82. Yes but having re-read that I guess I could have taken it wrong and did! |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. I don't know why so many people are being so nasty... |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
56. So that's how you see this? You see a person who lived honestly |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Where did I berate you? |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #59 |
83. You didn't... my bad... |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #29 |
112. I am so right there with you |
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anneboleyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #5 |
45. Yes, atiitudes like the op's are what make my hubbie and I want to move to Europe where "community" |
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anneboleyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Oops, should be "attitudes!" Typo. n/t |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
61. Try reading the OP. I advocated helping out the people who got screwed |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
51. I won't and it's not fuck you unless you got us into this situation.. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
6. If we can get some serious Wall Street regulation into it, it'll be the best $3000 I've ever spent. |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Today's bill didn't regulate Wall St. |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. Um, actually it was $250 billion with heavy Congressional oversights and WH approval needed |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Oversight of a fund which gives money to Wall Street... |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. It was a damn sight better than the carte blanche Paulson bill! |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #22 |
69. Congressional oversight? That's the biggest joke of the day! |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
64. GIANT IF! That's like my example of "trickle down" we have been following |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
14. I'll pony up my share if it means my husband can keep his job. |
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Stuart G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
15. So What....? |
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msallied (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Oh but don't you know? He's got his. As long as he's okay, the rest of us can be sold down the river |
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anneboleyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
49. EXCELLENT POINT! Weak U.S. economy is BAD news on so many levels. |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
72. Well,, I'm broke, so I'm not paying shit! |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
17. It wouldn't have cost $700B.... the Treasury would've gotten most, if not all, back |
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chicagoexpat (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #17 |
35. & they wait, & it's not 700 BILLION they need, but 700 TRILLION... & then it's 1929 all over again |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #17 |
74. Just like the $ we sent to Iraq? |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
18. I'd rather have it in McDonalds apple pies! |
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Left Is Write (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
26. You never took money you didn't earn. Like unemployment. |
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weezie1317 (480 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
40. OP doesn't seem to know that unemployment is insurance based and not paid by tax dollars. () |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #40 |
65. Yeah the OP is an idiot. |
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Left Is Write (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #65 |
111. So be thankful you didn't need unemployment. |
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chicagoexpat (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
32. I wish there was a way that only people like u would lose their job for throwing bombs |
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anneboleyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #32 |
52. Does OP expect to ever draw on social security? What if you become disabled, OP? Or do you have |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #52 |
76. You got it wrong. |
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chicagoexpat (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #76 |
89. I'll stand w/ Warren Buffet & Obama; you can stand with Rush Limbaugh & the Freepers |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #89 |
96. No, you stand with Bush/ Cheney |
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chicagoexpat (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:39 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. It's mind-boggling stupid to think Bush & Cheney WANTED this bill... they fought tooth & nail |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #52 |
92. What does any of that have to do with the bailout? |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
81. I see, honest hard workers should lose their jobs. |
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chicagoexpat (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #81 |
90. GOP Congressmand & their supporters deserve to lose ur jobs, if it can save the rest of us who care |
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musicblind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
33. By your theory, people who don't have kids shouldn't have to help pay for school systems n/t |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #33 |
71. Wrong. By my theory the schools should get all the money they need. |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
34. Many people have already lost more than 3k per person. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
39. We did not accept the original terms of the bailout. We implemented |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
46. I've lost half of everything I had... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
62. WHY doesnt your side ever talk about the money being paid BACK. i keep hearing |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Yeah it can be "paid back" |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. you want to state an unkown as fact. but there is history for the other side, and there is history |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:34 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. you position is as much unknown as the other positio |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #73 |
93. no. i do state it is unknown. i also state the facts that we have. |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #70 |
79. Bullshit |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #79 |
95. so when you argue you say said to pay back, not buying. that is at least honest |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. So because I refuse to reward predatory capitalism, I'm dishonest? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. no...you talk about a 700b give away, it is a probability we will make an unknown amount |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Tell me then, how will we make it back? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. they are only in office another 6 months. i believe obama steps in. i also believe |
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martymar64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 08:30 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. That's our only hope . . . thin though it may be |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 08:34 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. i think the republicans taught us well. agree with your post.... |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
75. Ok last post.. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
77. You know, reading that, |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Nope happy to help an honest hard working man. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #77 |
91. The difference is, in walldude's case, he's contrasting his situation against the fatcats |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
97. With interest, its over $9000 |
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Medusa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-29-08 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
102. I lost $3000 today in my 401K. |
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soulcore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 01:40 AM Response to Reply #102 |
106. You could have just as easily put that money into a no-risk savings account. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 09:54 AM Response to Reply #106 |
110. You can't retire on a no risk savings account |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 03:02 AM Response to Original message |
107. People want to retire |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
113. Exactly! I for one hope and pray that our progressive democrats "stay strong" and continue to oppoe |
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chicagoexpat (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-30-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #113 |
114. Yeah, we only lost 1.4 TRILLION in the market yesterday, so let's not use |
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