Have you seen the NEW CNN Jan. 6TH, 2004 poll? Clark is doing GREAT!

[in_cog_ni_to]

Not surprised really. It's not good news for Dean, but is GREAT news for Clark
Today's Wolf Blitzer had a NEW poll with Bush Dean and Clark

Bush......45 or 46...can't remember Bush's #'s exactly, but this is close because Scneider says he's MORE than 20 points ahead of Dean.

Dean......24

Clark.....20 !!!!!!!!! :bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:

SCHNEIDER: But seniors are not all that thrilled with the Medicare Reform Bill, or the prescription drug plan. And the front- runner for the Democratic nomination is a physician. Speaking of Howard Dean, let's see how he's doing.

Dean is still the front-runner, but not by much. General Wesley Clark is catching up with him. Clark is the only Democratic candidate to show momentum in the past month. The attacks on Dean from his fellow Democrats could be taking a toll on the front-runner.

Here's where the presidential race stands right now: a blowout. President Bush leads Howard Dean by more than 20 points.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

SCHNEIDER: Ever hear the Latin phrase vox populi vox dei? Well, Wolf, I'm sure you have. You're a classical scholar. It means, the voice of the people is the voice of God. Well, this poll backs up what Pat Robertson said the lord told him would happen in the election. Reverend Robertson has his sources and we have ours -- Wolf.

BLITZER: All right, one quick question, Bill. This new poll shows a very wide gap between the president and Howard Dean in a hypothetical contest.

But over the weekend, there was a CNN/"TIME" magazine poll which showed, what, a 5 percent gap?

SCHNEIDER: Well, we compared those two poles, because we were curious. What happened? Here's what happened. Republicans have closed ranks behind President Bush. In that earlier poll, over 10 percent of Republicans -- I think it was 12 percent -- were supporting Howard Dean in a race between Dean and Bush.

Now Dean's support has vanished among Republicans. It's negligible. So what seems to have happened is, all those terrible things Howard Dean has been saying about President Bush have finally cost him any possible support he ever would have had from Republicans. And maybe, too, that earlier poll was taken over the New Year's holiday. So that holiday spirit may have worn off.

EDITED BY ADMIN: COPYRIGHT

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0401/06/wbr.00.html

[BobbyJay]

1. Clark is making grounds in New Hampshire

Go Wes Go!!


www.clark04.com

[Clark4VotingRights]

18. And many Dean supporters here on DU are freakin'

Look at the glut of anti-Clark threads from diehard Dark supporters.

Uh oh, General Juggernaut is here.

[Forkboy]

20. And what then might be the cause of the near endless anti-dean threads?

I guess Kerry and Clark supporters on DU are REALLY freakin,eh?

Can't have it both ways C4VR.

[Clark Can WIN]

32. Speaking only for myslef

I regard anti-Dean threads as anti-* threads. I don't want the four more years of * sure to follow if Dean were nominated.

[Forkboy]

35. And some regard the anti-Clark threads the same way

the repukes are great at explaining why it's ok when they do something that they complain about in others.

Let's not emulate them.

[Forkboy]

52. dupe by me

[Bucky]

33. What's causing the anti Dean threads isn't really anti-Deanism

I got no beef with the governor of Vermont. I have huge concerns about his ability to win over a majority of voters. But I am more perplexed that he and his supporters seem completely unwilling to recognize the need to reach out to the middle and the apolitical, vote-from-the-gut demographics that always decide elections. It's not his policies, it's his myopia.

[BobbyJay]

37. Agreed. I don't dislike the man, per se

I just don't want our candidate to be a guy who wants to raie taxes on everyone and is from Vermont. Seriously, of all the states?

[mouse7]

39. Something has been manipulated

There's been three polls this week with double the support for both Dean and Clark vs. Bush.

Something is foul.

[Tweed]

2. Awesome

Thanks for bringing in the good news my friend.

[mouse7]

40. It's not good news

Dean and Clark support have supposedly evaporated.

Clark was only like 1 or 2 points behind Dean in the match up polls vs. Bush.

[Clark4Prez]

3. It helps when you're backing the right horse

To just be patient, our time is coming, very, very soon.

Go Wes, Go.

[Alex146]

4. Ok wait...

according to this poll both Dean and Clark are getting killed. So according to you it's bad news for Dean and great news for Clark?

Excuse me, the spin is giving me nausea.

[Rose Siding]

9. Some seem to enjoy trailing Bush

And they can spin on this

[ewagner]

5. Can you believe this?

Now Dean's support has vanished among Republicans. It's negligible. So what seems to have happened is, all those terrible things Howard Dean has been saying about President Bush have finally cost him any possible support he ever would have had from Republicans. And maybe, too, that earlier poll was taken over the New Year's holiday. So that holiday spirit may have worn off.

Okay...I'm not a journalist....but even I know that Schneider's statements are way, way beyound the bounds of objective journalism.

Further, his explanation for the variance in the polls is boardering on laughable..........

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. THIS is to show

Clark, the future President of the United States, is gaining on Dean. He'll pass Bush soon. Give him time. He's only been in this for 4 months, not a year, like Dean.

[BobbyJay]

7. Some argue Dean has actually been running for president for 2 years

[PROGRESSIVE1]

10. Clark is our best chance by F-A-R to defeat the BFEE next year!

I hope that he gets the nod. He will take Bush on at every turn!


:kick:

[mouse7]

41. No... CLARK AND DEAN SUPPORT has vanished vs. Bush

Thye were both almost identical in their vs. numbers and they had both almost caught Bush.

[retyred]

54. Lets see

bush is widening the gap on dean and Clark is closing the gap on bush.
I'd say that's good news for Clark and his peeps!

Go Clark.


retyred in fla
“Good-Night Paul, Wherever You Are”
So I read this book

[lovedems]

11. It is more of the "don't talk bad about the pResident" bullshit

I am surprised he didn't come out and call Dean "unpatriotic" or something along those lines. CNN should be ashamed of themselves for calling that journalism. Last year I gave up cable instead of cigarettes. I honestly think that was better for my health!:)

[lancdem]

15. I thought his statement was ridiculous, too

Why would Repubs who supported Dean be put off by his criticizing Bush? If they liked Bush, they wouldn't have supported Dean in the first place. Duh.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

16. I must agree with you! Phil Schinder is.....

full of IT!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe Gallup did another poll that was heavily sided towards Bush so that they could shrug off the poll that says that Dean is almost tied with Bush!

[BootinUp]

23. Schneider gets paid for that too

Thats whats amazing. 1 out of 10 times he makes sense if he's lucky.

I put together a post comparing 4 different polls and trends over the last few months, its a simple table, but shows that the Jan 1 CNN/TIME poll is pretty unique.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=72110&mesg_id=72765&page=

[madfloridian]

8. Here is the reason given for the Bush/Dean close poll. Come On.

"One note of caution: The poll was conducted on December 30 and January 1, when most Americans were still in the holiday spirit and many had not returned to work....."

This is beyond belief that we let them do it to us. This is not about Clark/Dean, it is about a poll that CNN suppressed. Deliberately.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/05/elec04.poll.democrats.poll/index.html
This is the one that has the 5% spread.

They will do it to any Democrat. We should not let them do it.

[jmaier]

12. Here's a CNN article reviewing the results

"A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll interviewed 1,028 adult Americans between Friday and Monday to gather opinions on the presidential candidates and the issues they face. The results show the Democratic race tightening while Bush rebounds from lower approval ratings of a month ago."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/06/elec04.prez.poll/

[mouse7]

43. Need the actual poll text

There's noting resembling the tables, respondents, etc.

[BootinUp]

47. USATODAY Additional POLL DATA - Link

http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/live/2004-01-06-poll.htm

[mouse7]

50. Dean's unfavorables have supposedly skyrocketed

Dean Favorable 28% Unfavorable 38%

Howard Dean cannot win anything with unfavorables like this. This is really bad.

Dean people better hope this was a single badly done poll. It's horrible news for Dean if it's accurate.

[BootinUp]

51. Agreed

But what else could happen, he has not been getting "good" press now for a while. And I wouldn't just blame the media. Dean has run a different kind of campaign, and some of us are not surprised at these numbers. As you say we will need to see how these numbers go, one poll could be non-representative.

[mouse7]

53. Clark people better get ready for prime-time in a hurry

If there's anything to this, the spotlight (and associated attack ads) will be headed Clark's way by next week.

Gotta have responses in place immediately when they happen.

[windansea]

13. my dog is BARKING

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. ARF! ARF! ARF!

I love that. I should get my dog in a pic with Wes. She's so cute and LOVES him! :7

[Clark4VotingRights]

17. Well, since Dean supporters love to celebrate polls

(Tho' I'm skeptical of polls), we might as well celebrate this.
Clark is becoming inevitable, in the sense that he's so
friggen impressive that when one sees him in a speech,
interview, or Q&A, it's pretty hard not to notice that he's
extraordinary.

[mouse7]

44. You're wrong. This is BAD news for Clark

Clark had been like a point behind Dean in the versus Bush numbers. This says Clark has supposed lost half of that.

[jmaier]

48. I'm not to worried about

the head-to-head numbers against Bush right now for either Dean or Clark or any potential nominee. There is only one race today and that's the race for the chance to fight against Bushco. From that perspective, it is modest good news for Clark.




Wes Clark. He will make an extraordinary American President.

[CRYINGWOLFOWITZ]

19. clinton was behind 20% in april 1992

everyone was worrying about clinton's electablity

[Skip Intro]

21. "all those terrible things Howard Dean has been saying about * " - ???!!!

Who is really being served by this bs? -

Now Dean's support has vanished among Republicans. It's negligible. So what seems to have happened is, all those terrible things Howard Dean has been saying about President Bush have finally cost him any possible support he ever would have had from Republicans.

That is pro-bush crap in the extreme. Criticize the moron who is trashing OUR nation in mind-boggling ways, and it'll cost you. I don't mean to be un-subtle, but fuck cnn.

Dean may not be my first choice, but I'll be damned if I've waited this long for bill schneider to tell me who to support.

This whole thing is insulting. A 17pt loss "over the weekend." Think about it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. but..but...but...

LOOK at CLARK! He's only 4 points behind Dean! WooHoo! :bounce::bounce::bounce:

[Skip Intro]

25. This cnn crap isn't about Dean or Clark, its about bush* and ANY Democrat

Nothing against Clark, but he says terrible things about bush too.

There goes the explaination for Dean's weekend 17pt drop.

Almost a fifth of Americans decided to withdraw support from Dean, just a couple of days after they'd decided to support him? C'mon.

I'm seeing in this a strong media attempt not only to choose which of us questionable Democrats should dare challenge the imposter, but the terms on which we should do it. Don't say "terrible things" about the "president" (you unpatriotic libs?).

If Clark moves out front, I'm fine with that. If Dean proves unstoppable, I'm fine with that too. If Kerry or Braun or Kucinich come out on top, excellent. But crowing about some bill schneider analysis that trashes speaking out against the moron more than it does promote a candidate is dangerous, imho.

This battle should be fought on our (DEMOCRATIC) terms.

[BootinUp]

27. Correct

There wasn't a 17 point drop, that was worst explanation I have ever heard. The explanation is the different polling organizations. Here's a little trend table in another post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=72110&mesg_id=72765&page=

[mouse7]

45. And Clark LOST 20 points versus Bush

What the hell good is all this if it crushes our ability to beat Bush?

[windansea]

24. ka powwwwwwwwwwww

[Forkboy]

26. you found a poll you like!

congrats :eyes:

[windansea]

29. ka booooooooooooooom

[Forkboy]

55. Military imagery and Clark go hand in hand I realize

[Rose Siding]

28. Maybe soon, he'll be ready to join the debates

with people who've actually developed policy and won elections.

[in_cog_ni_to]

34. Yeah, that grandson

just HAD to have a due date around the time of that debate. Blaming the baby, are you? sheesh. pathetic.

[Rose Siding]

36. Debate was today and sunday

kid was born on Christmas but, um...rude.

[in_cog_ni_to]

38. I don't know why he wasn't there today,

but he had previous commitments when he rescheduled because of his grandson's due date. He must have had other things to do in NH today. GOOD FOR HIM! not rude...just practical and VERY SMART. He certainly isn't afraid of a debate. He WAS on the debate team at West Point and has NOTHING to fear.

[retyred]

56. Debate?

Clark don't need no stinking debate, didn't you see the poll?


retyred in fla
“Good-Night Paul, Wherever You Are”
So I read this book

[Hoppin_Mad]

42. But they're debates for DEMOCRATIC nominees - He'd feel out of place ;-)

[in_cog_ni_to]

46. He's a registered Democrat.

He voted for Clinto twice and for Gore in 2000, but you already knew that. :eyes:

[retyred]

57. Thats right

until a few months ago he was UNDECIDED.......But he's a Dem now ;-)

Not only that, he's my Dem.


retyred in fla
“Good-Night Paul, Wherever You Are”
So I read this book

[quaker bill]

30. Did you see the one three days ago?

He wasn't.

I know which one you would choose to believe. Personally, I think they both are probably off.

All that being as it may, I relish the notion of a Clark / Dean race to the finish. I can't really lose either way because they are my two favorites.

[Jerseycoa]

31. Eeeeeeeewww

Did you see Bill Schneider when he had that Christmas hat on his stupid head? Yuck. He makes me ill.

[BootinUp]

49. Additional POLL Data at USA Today - Link

http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/live/2004-01-06-poll.htm

enjoy

[BootinUp]

58. Full GALLUP POLL Report - Link

Clark Comes on Strong in New Poll
Dean receives 24%, Clark 20% of national Democrats' support


by Lydia Saad
GALLUP NEWS SERVICE

PRINCETON, NJ -- A new CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll finds former Vermont Gov. Howard no longer holding a commanding lead among Democrats nationally in the race for his party's presidential nomination, as Democrats who are registered to vote appear to be taking a second look at retired Gen. Wesley Clark. After leading Clark by 15 and 21 points in two December polls that asked Democrats whom they supported for their party's nomination, Dean's advantage has shrunk to just 4 points in the Jan. 2-5 national survey (24% vs. 20%) -- within the poll's margin of error.

This tightening of the race among Democrats nationally mostly results from increased support for Clark, rather than a decline in support for Dean. Clark gained eight points over the last two weeks, while Dean lost three points, and the number of undecided Democrats declined by three points.





http://www.gallup.com/poll/releases/pr040107.asp

(edit: added graph)

[billbuckhead]

59. People have been coming up to me saying they watched "Meet the Press"

and they were impressed by Clark. People are starting to think of Clark as the smart disciplined candidate. Wes captures peoples attention in a positive way.

[Moderator]

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