Shouldn't one of the first groups Dean talks blunt to about race be..

[billbuckhead]

the NRA? Shouldn't he chastize them for having an over the top racist as Ted Nugent on their board of dirsctors? Shouldn't Dean point out to one and all that Grover Norquist was sick when he compared bipartisanship to "date" rape? If Howard Dean has all this sway with the gun crowd, shouldn't Dean ask the NRA rank and file to reject bigotry and ask that the present board be removed? shouldn't Dean tell them that they shouldn't be blacklisting people? That they shouldn't be afraid of Brittany Spears or any other artist?
<http://www.nraleaders.com/index.html>

[xultar]

1. Are you a Clark supporter? n/t

[billbuckhead]

5. I want to win and I oppose the NRA. They're Bush's shock troops

To me, sucking up to the NRA shows poor character and everytime I compromise on this in a candidate I'm disappointed. I excused Zell Miller on this for years but his speech to the NRA showed he had gone over the edge and shortly after that he had few freinds in the Democratic party for other reasons. Then the previous governor of Georgia, Roy Barnes got good marks from the NRA and sucked up to them with "operation exile" and all that bullshit. He still got beat by the gun crowd, they just told the grassroots, forget about the guns this year and focus on putting the Confederate battle flag back on the state flag. The extreme elements of the gun crowd are mostly the extreme element of the street fascists. These are the same people who said Max Cleland was unpatriotic.

[xultar]

9. I don't know if you know...we have a Clark fundraiser going on..

If a Clark supporter bashes another candiate (except GWB and Lieberman) they are fined a $5.00 donation to the Clark campaign.

You can donate http://www.clark04.com...

Oh this is a bash thread...

u R fined a $5 donation to the Clark Campaign...

(compliance is voluntary)

Here's the link
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=73145&mesg_id=73145

[billbuckhead]

14. I can't live up to Clark's high standards

Fighting against the NRA crowd is like wrestling pigs, they're dirty and they love getting dirtier. I'm against the most pro NRA candidate. If you guys win the nomination, I'll shut up about guns. If Dean wins the nomination, I'll go to the Hill District in Pittsburgh and hand flyers with NRA quotes. I might change my mind if Dean repudiates the NRA.

[maxanne]

2. how many times

and in how many threads do you need to make this point, billbuckhead?

How, exactly, is Howard Dean responsible for what NRA members have to say?

[billbuckhead]

12. Dean has had their "A" rating many times and he needs to explain to

the NRA-gun crowd-GOA and us, regular Americans, what this means. As far as bringing it up, the NRA is always in the news when the war isn't pushing it into the background. Grover Norquist, Ted Nugent, endless lobbying about legistlation in every statehouse. The enemies list came up again because of Britaany Spears somehow improbably being on it. Over and over again we hear that Dean has the gun crowd in the palm of his hand, so we should expect the famously opinionated Doctor to had something to say about this NRA blacklist.

[Brian_Expat]

13. First, explain why anyone who opposes the NRA isn't homophobic. n/t

[Turkw]

18. What? Am I missing something, we are talking about the same NRA

right? The National Riflemans Association? How does being against or for the NRA have anything to do with being Homophobic? The peel my gun out of my cold, dead hands, let's have a rally in Columbine group = pro-gay? I don't get it, I don't equate the two issues, please explain!

[cprise]

3. He can leave that juicy one for Clark and Kerry to address

Don't hold your breath though.

[Scott Lee]

4. Shouldn't Howard Dean be finding a cure for ebola?

Shouldn't Howard Dean be stopping dangerous meteors that are coursing toward earth?

Shouldn't Howard Dean be trying to invent a new form of corn that can grow in snow?

Shouldn't Howard Dean be concerned about magnetic pole shift?

Shouldn't Howard Dean be stopping the advance of old age?

[billbuckhead]

6. Howard Dean said he was going to be blunt about race

Kerry and Clark famously have both said negative things about the NRA. Kerry saying he wanted to be the candidate of NAACP and not the NRA among many other things. Clark saying that those who wanted to use assault weapons should join the military.
<<http://sgv4kucinich.us/flyers/KucinichVDean.doc>
<http://constellationdesign.net/S4K/Gun%20Safety%20Talkers.doc>

[Scott Lee]

11. Kerry hasn't repudiated NRA racism.

Neither has Clark.

Neither has Gephardt.

Neither has Edwards.

Neither has Kucinich.

Neither has Mosley Braun.

Neither has Lieberman.


When will they do so?

[Brian_Expat]

7. If Dean should apologize for what NRA members say. . .

. . . shouldn't you apologize for gay bashers' actions, since you're against the 2nd Amendment rights of gay people to protect themselves?

[Hoppin_Mad]

8. This is a continuation of yout first thread - MUST you spam DU ? -eom-

[billbuckhead]

16. The last Confederate flag flap came when Dean was talking guns

This thread is about Dean and race, It's unfortunate for all of this that these two topics intersect so much and if Dean becomes our candidate he'll have to address this intersection of guns and race from many angles. Dean is not in Vermont anymore.

[arewethereyet]

10. nah he should talk to someone he might understand

rich white northeasterners. And I don't mean just tipping the help better.

I seem to read a lot more about racial hatred north of the Mason Dixon line than below it over tha past few decades.

[Hoppin_Mad]

15. "Howard Dean's been endorsed 8 times by (the NRA)" Retraction ?

You posted that in your PREVIOUS Dean- NRA thread.

Please prove it - or RETRACT it.

[billbuckhead]

17. Once again-Here's one of many links America, Google it yourselves

<http://constellationdesign.net/S4K/Gun%20Safety%20Talkers.doc>

<# http://edition.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/31/elec04.prez.kerry.dean.guns.ap/ >

[hellhathnofury]

19. This just changed my vote.

How could someone not support trading West Virginia, Delaware and Wyoming for a talking poodle? Disgusting.

[billbuckhead]

20. So you think Dean should ask for an NRA endorsement?

Many Dean supporters do? Heres one of many ,<http://www.boomundo.com/dean/nra.htm>

Should the Democratic party POTUS candidate ask for the endorsement of a group that has an enemies list? My god? What has the Dem party come to?

[Moderator]

21. Locking to consolidate this thread with the other one on this

subject that was already started:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=72486

Thanks,

DU Moderator