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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:16 PM
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Spokeswoman for tattooed, Joel's army evangelist....is scared of Obama.
I can not let the utter blatant pandering to the religious right go unnoticed. I just can not.

Remember Todd Bentley whose Lakeland, Florida revival went down in flames when he was claiming to raise the dead...and having an affair with a staffer?


Todd Bentley at Third Wave revival

A "working man's revival"

Some Pentecostal observers are calling the Lakeland revival the "third wave," following the "Toronto Blessing" that began in January 1994 and overlapped with the Brownsville Revival that began in June 1995 at Brownsville Assembly of God in Pensacola. In both of those revivals, there were daily services for more than two years, and both featured claims of miraculous healing and prophetic messages and worship practices not usually found in most churches, such as speaking in tongues and "holy laughter," in which worship leaders and portions of the crowd are seized with long bouts of hysterical laughter.

......"Revival leaders are expected to announce today that beginning May 26, they will hold evening services on the grounds of Sun 'n Fun Fly-in under a giant inflatable "air dome" that will hold up to 10,000 people. It will be the home of the revival "indefinitely," said Lynne Breidenbach, a spokeswoman for the revival.


Lynne Breidenbach gets quoted again on the front page of a local paper, The Lakeland Ledger. They are putting more and more religious people on the front page of the paper. She lost no credibility apparently for being so supportive of Bentley.



It wasn’t long before Lynne’s first love came calling and she went to work at WLKF hosting its local talk show, Talk Back. When Root Communications sold the station in 1996 she turned to WWBF in Bartow and did the morning show for four years. In 2003, Lynne and Bill formed Breidenbach Media Group which operates WTWB in Auburndale. She is the President of the company as well as Station Manager and does an afternoon talk show – a mix of politics, culture, and faith, including interviews with national and local newsmakers. In September 2006 Lynne took her afternoon WTWB talk show nationally into 20 markets across the country each weekday from 5 to 8 p.m.
Radio Years


So what did she have to say about Barack Obama after supporting such a controversial revival figure with ties to Third Wave and Fresh Fire groups, and said to be a major part of the Joel's army movement?

Here's what she said on the front page of the Ledger today.

Lynne Breidenbach of Lakeland, a local political activist and co-pastor with her husband, Bill, of Family Life Fellowship, said her fellow religious conservatives in the Republican Party are discouraged.

"McCain didn't excite most evangelicals I know. Sarah Palin did. Now there's a traditional woman who's accomplished a lot. But the second thing that motivates us is we're scared to death of Barack Obama. We see him as a threat to religious liberty," she said.


Well, Lynne, may I say that I consider people like you, Todd Bentley, and Sarah Palin more of a threat to my religious liberty than I have ever seen in my lifetime.

And oh, Dear God, just wait till you see what else she said. She blames the economic problems on people not voting on their values. I have had it up to my ears with the type of values her kind of Christianity offers.

A Sept. 23 Fox News poll indicated just 4 percent of registered voters said abortion was the most important factor in deciding who they would vote for, compared with 46 percent saying the economy was most important. Breidenbach said she is hearing similar sentiments in conversations with local religious conservatives.

"They say, 'I'm pro-life, but (Obama) is going to be better for my family's economic future.' I find that a disturbing trend. I'm very concerned people are making decisions based on immediate needs rather than values, and I think that's a dangerous shift," she said.

Evangelicals tend to see the economic crisis in terms of personal responsibility rather than public morality, Breidenbach said.
But for some religious traditions, the economic crisis is itself a moral issue.


I am afraid of Lynne Breidenbach, Sarah Palin, and people like them. I saw Palin today using her son, Trig, as a campaign issue shamelessly on TV. She cares very little about our country, she cares about getting her religious views across. They scare me.

Don't forget the video of these two lovely Alaskan young ladies...they got it right. They said that Alaskans have very low standards for their politicians.

I agree. I also think the Lakeland Ledger has very low standards for what goes on their front page.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:53 PM
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1. Religious spokespersons should not be front page.
They should be in one of the other sections. Front page should be for world and national news.
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 05:37 PM
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3. I agree. but this is Lakeland. Polk County. Hate groups surround us, according to the SPLC.
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp#s=FL

Actually, I believe the number of SPLC-documented hate groups in this immediate vicinity has declined a bit, but still ...

This Todd Bentley shill is bad news, but his revival received exceedingly favorable coverage in The Ledger until the thing fell apart: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakeland_Revival

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 05:53 PM
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6. Yes, I think you are right.
I think there is more around that appears on the surface. Bentley got front page 2 or 3 times. He did not deserve to be front page.
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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 05:10 PM
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2. These people hate values
The christofascist in America today hate America.

Their goal is to turn America into a theocracy. More like blackwater values.
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 05:38 PM
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4. This has to be exposed! It's horrific.
The Wasilla church, the third wave, Joel's army...
Muthee!
I'm losing it here....there is so much to fear within our own government right now, and these crazed people are infiltrating....
Is there no way to stop this insanity....?

Reverend Wright gets big MSM play...and very little about these witch-hunting lunatics.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 05:52 PM
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5. "...They say, 'I'm pro-life, but (Obama) is going
to be better for my family's economic future.' I find that a disturbing trend. I'm very concerned people are making decisions based on immediate needs rather than values, and I think that's a dangerous shift," she said...'

She'll care when the collection plate comes back empty!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 06:55 PM
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7. Amen, she will care.
People are hurting badly.
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 06:58 PM
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8. She finds it a disturbing trend that people are more concerned about
taking care of born people who are here NOW than they are about someone else having an abortion sometime?

I guess she's got some whacked out priorities.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 07:10 PM
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10. ALL she cares about is money. Abortion is just a convenient way for her to get people's money.
None of these people care anything about unborn babies or anything else except money and power.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 06:58 PM
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9. Worth a 1000 words...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 07:45 PM
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11. That's funny because it is so true.
I can't believe this is happening in America.
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amber_86 Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 08:07 PM
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12. I have a question
It's about Palin pastor Thomas Muthee. Would he be a Muslim because he lives in Keyna like Obama father? Has anyone tryed to find out what his Middle name is. I tryed to look but must be looking in the wrong places.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 08:49 PM
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13. Lets remember 'Elmer Gantry.'
There's nothing new under the sun.

http://www.bookrags.com/Elmer_Gantry
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 09:31 PM
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14. Elmer Gantry was on PBS last year.
We watched it again. Amazing movie.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:26 PM
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15. I used to have a girlfriend in Lakeland. I understand.
I had to commute from Orlando to spend the weekend with her. I saw the place. In the 80's it was primarily a place with a lot of little restaurants, one main industry (the Publix grocery warehouse) and a whole lotta religious fanatics. My ex was a school teacher, whose students were mainly the children of migrant workers for whom learning the basics of reading and English was near impossible.

The only purpose for getting the Lakeland Ledger was the ads for Zayre, Wal-Mart and Burger King and the theater times. News? Hah. Of course the place is full of yahoos.

Given the "end times" for the economic boom, it's a good thing I can't afford the gas to go down there any more.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 10:34 PM
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16. Minnesota Independent has info on Bentley, Joel's Army...
and the possible connection to Palin's church.

http://minnesotaindependent.com/11077/gods-army-a-short-guide-to-sarah-palins-extreme-religious-worldview

Joel’s Army: A movement that uses militaristic rhetoric to encourage youth to establish a wholly Christian world–to convert all people in preparation for the return of Jesus. In the words of Pastor Todd Bentley, its leading figure, “An end-time army has one common purpose — to aggressively take ground for the kingdom of God under the authority of Jesus Christ, the Dread Champion. The trumpet is sounding, calling on-fire, revolutionary believers to enlist in Joel’s Army. … Many are now ready to be mobilized to establish and advance God’s kingdom on earth.” Adds John Crowder, author of The New Mystics: How to Become Part of the Supernatural Generation, “Everyone born after abortion’s legalization can consider their birth a personal invitation to take part in this great army.” The movement’s name is taken from the Book of Joel, in which a plague of locusts–God’s metaphorical army–descended upon and destroyed a sinful nation.

PALIN CONNECTION: Her occasional church, the Church on the Rock in Wasilla, sent its youth group to “The Call,” a training movement for Joel’s Army.

The Juneau Christian Church youth center called the “Hub” that Palin attempted to secure grants from the state of Alaska to fund describes itself in many of the terms used by the members of the Joel’s Army movement:

“Our name speaks our purpose. At ground zero we have a vision to develop youth that are marked by purity, passion, and the presence of God. This vision exists to create young people that will carry groundzero as a movement, not just a meeting. ground//zero is not a place, it’s not a time, but it is a movement transported by people that will impact this generation with a message that instills hope and a purpose. The movement meets Wednesday nights.”Several pastors at churches that Palin has attended have connections to prominent pastors that advocate the Joel’s Army movement, especially the Church on the Rock.


It angers me that Bentley's spokeswoman has the nerve to say that Obama scares her.

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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 05:44 AM
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24. This Joel's Army reminds me of the Hitler Youth Movement
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:51 AM
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17. thanks mf
You are doing great work on this subject.

You write some of the best commentary on the Religious Right anywhere. What I really like about it, is that you don't go out of your way to slam all people of faith. This is good, because probably no more than 10% are the dangerous ones, and dividing them from the herd they try to hide in is important.

Just giving you a little k and r here and letting you know I am reading your posts and they are much appreciated.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:57 AM
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19. I appreciate that.
It's because I am a person of faith who saw their church go to to the dark side before we knew it.

I think my dad as a deacon saw it coming in the late 70s, like he knew he couldn't fight it. He came home one day and said it was getting such a huge pentecostal atmosphere that he could not take it.

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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:04 AM
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20. we should not forget
A relatively small number of people are driving the Religious Right, and I think that the Palin campaign has opened many eyes among the faithful as to just where they are being driven.

Keep up the great work. Don't worry about the yapping hounds - "the dogs bark, but the caravan moves on."

:hug:
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 12:54 AM
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18. These are two really ugly people n/t
:shrug:
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Mariana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:04 AM
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21. She doesn't have much faith in her God, does she?
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 03:30 AM
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22. FREAKS! all of them! n/t
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 04:31 AM
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23. Naturally. Obama is soooo scary.
:sarcasm: What is with these people? :eyes:
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 06:39 AM
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25. I attended two Pentecostal Services
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 06:43 AM by olegramps
One of my nephews lives in rural Northern Georgia. My brother who was a physician and had a practice in Chattanooga died a number of years ago. He was called in to treat a prisoner and contracted a deadly form of kidney disease.

His son joined an Assembly of God church that some of his friends belonged to a couple of years after his death. I confess that I had no knowledge of what they preached since I don't know much about religion and it just doesn't interest me. He came out to visit us and when he was here he told me that he had witnessed the most marvelous miraculous healings. Even witnessing a blind man healed, cripples walking, etc. I was naturally skeptical and asked if these "cures" had been authenticated. Oh, of course he replied, but offered no evidence.

I believe that my brother would have rolled over in his grave if he knew how his son was being taken in by these charlatans. Well, driven by curiosity I attended two Pentecostal services. It was absolutely bizarre. People screaming and carrying on like they belonged in Bedlam. I have to conclude that a large segment of our population is either mentally ill or frantically searching for something to believe in and have lost their way. One I attended had a healing service. Of course none of these so-called cures could be authenticated. The preacher was pounding on this guy's forehead to cure his headaches screaming he was pulling out demons that possessed him. He hollered in the name of Jesus, come out, come out. The congregation was crying out to, in the name of Jesus. If it wasn't so damn pathetic it would be hysterically funny. It was a tragic display. I couldn't believe what I was seeing.

When a person belongs to a church that believes in the absolutely asinine crap, then their beliefs become important when the want to lead our nation.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:30 AM
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26. Yes, their beliefs do matter when they run for office.
And there should be no holds barred in finding out those beliefs.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 01:11 PM
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27. Breidenbach sort of excused Bentley's adultery...
Wonder what else she would excuse? Wonder if she knows the rest of Bentley's history? Just saying.

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/stephen-strader-re-todd-bentley-affair/

"Lynne Breidenbach, a Lakeland woman who had acted as Bentley’s spokesperson, echoed Strader’s remark.

“This is a personal failing on Todd’s part, and he can recover from it. It’s not an excuse to live a sloppy life, but there should be some encouragement here. God knew ahead of time Todd’s frailty but chose to use him anyway,” she said. “Unfortunately, some Christians are going to be disappointed with God. It’s a good lesson for Christians to say, maybe you had unrealistic expectations.”

Oh, now, wait a minute there, Lynne. "unrealistic expectations" to expect a husband preaching about God to be loyal to his wife?



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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 02:39 PM
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28. I cannot help but wonder what childhood abuses she underwent to be this hooked on such an
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 02:39 PM by BrklynLiberal
abusive and terrorizing personality.

It is sad and scary at the same time, that there are people out there..with these kinds of thougth processes...and there are people who follow them...:scared:
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