Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Beyond the Mainstream (re: Howard Dean)

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
Blitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 05:07 PM
Original message
Beyond the Mainstream (re: Howard Dean)
. . .

Mr. Dean's carefully prepared speech was described as a move toward the center, but in key ways it shifted him farther from the mainstream. A year ago Mr. Dean told a television audience that "there's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat to the United States and to our allies," but last weekend he declared that "I never said Saddam was a danger to the United States." Mr. Dean has at times argued that the United States must remain engaged to bring democracy to Iraq, yet the word is conspicuously omitted from the formula of "stable self-government" he now proposes. The former Vermont governor has compiled a disturbing record of misstatements and contradictions on foreign policy; maybe he will shift yet again, this time toward more responsible positions.

Mr. Dean's exceptionalism, however, is not limited to Iraq. It can be found in his support for limiting the overseas deployments of the National Guard -- a potentially radical change in the U.S. defense posture -- and in his readiness to yield to the demands of North Korea's brutal communist dictatorship, which, he told The Post's Glenn Kessler, "ought to be able to enter the community of nations." Mr. Dean says he would end all funding for missile defense, a program supported by the Clinton administration, and also has broken with Mr. Clinton's successful trade policies, embracing protectionism. Sadly, on trade his position is shared by every Democratic candidate except Mr. Lieberman (and Ms. Clinton).

It is Mr. Dean's position on Iraq, however, that would be hardest to defend in a general election campaign. Many will agree with the candidate that "the administration launched the war in the wrong way, at the wrong time, with inadequate planning, insufficient help and at unbelievable cost." But most Americans understand Saddam Hussein for what he was: a brutal dictator who stockpiled and used weapons of mass destruction, who plotted to seize oil supplies on which the United States depends, who hated the United States and once sought to assassinate a former president; whose continuing hold on power forced thousands of American troops to remain in the Persian Gulf region for a decade; who even in the months before his overthrow signed a deal to buy North Korean missiles he could have aimed at U.S. bases. The argument that this tyrant was not a danger to the United States is not just unfounded but ludicrous.

Mr. Dean may be arguing Saddam Hussein's insignificance in part because he is unwilling to make a commitment to Iraq's future. He appears eager to extract the United States from the Middle East as quickly as possible, rather than encourage political and economic liberalization. His speech suggests a significant retreat by the United States from the promotion of its interests and values in the world. Mr. Edwards laid out a detailed and ambitious plan to prevent the spread of dangerous nuclear materials; Mr. Clark is proposing a new Atlantic Charter under which the United States would build an alliance to take on the transformation of the Middle East, among other initiatives. Mr. Dean's biggest idea is to triple U.S. contributions to a global AIDS fund -- an essential but narrow cause in which the United States would allow international institutions to take the lead. His most serious departure from the Democratic mainstream is not his opposition to the war. It is his apparent readiness to shrink U.S. ambitions, in Iraq and elsewhere, at a time when the safety of Americans is very much at stake.

more:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9995-2003Dec17.html

The most interesting thing about this editorial is that it is from the Washington Post.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 05:42 PM
Response to Original message
1. Why is that interesting?
WP editorial page has been right wing for several years now. The analysis is skewed and biased. They're just trying to attack the leading Democratic contender. It just happens to be Dean right now.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. seems like an honest rebuttal of Dean's proposed policies. eom
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 06:10 PM
Response to Original message
3. NOW the media decides to examine Dean more closely?
NOW....after they feel comfortable he'll be the nominee?

NOW...when they think it's too late to effect the Dem primary?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 06:15 PM
Response to Original message
4. What a bunch of crap
Saddam was a paper tiger. He was contained. He had little to nothing to do with the war on terrorism. Getting us stuck there made us less safe.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ldoolin Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 06:25 PM
Response to Original message
5. Catch-22, huh?
If we nominate somebody who is critical of free trade and militaristic foreign policy adventeurism, the conservative media will call him "unelectable."

On the other hand, if we nominate a free-trader and/or a military hawk, Ralph Nader will run again, some liberals will defect and vote for him, and we will lose again.

Which is the worse scenario WRT Democratic chances in 2004?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. Nominate a free and fair trader and a tough dove....
John Kerry.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 07:20 PM
Response to Original message
7. Here is why they want to stop him.
A quote at the end of the article:
..."It is his apparent readiness to shrink U.S. ambitions, in Iraq and elsewhere, at a time when the safety of Americans is very much at stake....."

They do not want to reverse the course of empire. See PNAC.



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec 26th 2024, 10:13 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC