Nominee preference poll for 1/07/04.

[Padraig18]

Poll question: Nominee preference poll for 1/07/04.

Please vote.

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Edit: typo

[101 Proof]

1. Ha! I got the first vote!

*Dances*

[Padraig18]

2. LOL!

:hi:

[101 Proof]

11. Only four of us voted for Dennis Kucinich?

I'm going to cry. :cry:

[JohnKleeb]

101, count another for the congressman

[Auntie Bush]

16. I just made it even (44 each) N/T

[Hawkeye-X]

3. That's it. Dean's an official winner!

Polls are closed, and meaningless.

Dean wins with 73% of the votes

Hawkeye-X

[Atlant]

9. But Dean *CAN'T* WIn!

It's got to be true! I read it here every day, dozens of times
a day!

Atlant
(Who gets to vote for Dr. Dean in a
REAL poll on January 27th!)

[Bucky]

10. Damn! You win again this time, Batman. But I'll be back. Mwah-hah-hah... !

[maddezmom]

4. Clark :)

[Hawkeye-X]

5. Voting Clark is like voting for Club for Growth

people. Please. Why would you vote for Clark when he's proven NOTHING to back up his policies?

Hawkeye-X

[maddezmom]

6. it's my vote

[Name removed]

7. Deleted message

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[Renew Deal]

8. Back that up

You have proven nothing yet either.

[Bucky]

14. Right. And voting for Dean is like voting for the NRA. </sarcasm>

Clark has done a lot of what he's proposed already. As base commander at virtually every post he's held over the last 20 years he's worked on a range of quality of life issues. Army bases are small to medium sized communities and Clark has had scads of experience overseeing employment, housing, healthcare, security, and transportation infrastructure arrangements for commands as small as battallions and as big as the entire NATO force command.

On top of that he's had a lot of experience in exective/head of state level diplomatic negotiations, including patching together a working coalition to develop policy and procedures for Nato's only war. Despite serious hamstringing from everyone from France to Trent Lott, he got the job done.

I'm not gonna bash Dean because I know I'll have to work with Dean supporters no matter how the nomination turns out. But let's compare Clark to, say, Abraham Lincoln. When Abe was elected president he had no experience doing the things he championed. He only had policy proposals and the will power to carry out his agenda. Not having been elected to anything is far from being a disqualifier for the job. I heard the same lame complaints against Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988--never been on a ballot before. I didn't buy it then, I don't buy it now.

(edited for type-o)

[bushclipper]

46. Voting Dean is like voting NRA

[Padraig18]

55. What does that mean?

:shrug:

[Bucky]

64. This responds to charge "Voting Clark is like voting for Club for Growth"

Hawkeye X above said that, but didn't back it up. Apparently someone found some one-remove link from one of Clark's former co-workers to the conservative Club for Growth group. It's a bizarre stretch to say that means that Clark is carrying water for them--it's a lie to say he's their Manchurian candidate or would do their bidding if elected.

My analogy was that this is the same quality of smear as if someone said voting for Dean is like voting for the NRA. Dean may have a few distant ties to the NRA, but they would hardly set the agendas for his presidency.

My point is that Clark = Club for Growth is as lame a charge as Dean = NRA. No thinking person could believe otherwise.

[Zuni]

52. blah

blah

[Ginger1]

54. Clark Rocks

N/T

[Monte Carlo]

12. Go Kerry, go!

He's got the ability and the will to oust Bush in November and lead the Democratic party from its rut for the next 4 years. All he needs is the opportunity.

[Padraig18]

15. The opportunity seems to be slip-sliding away, unfortuntely.

C'est la vie! :shrug:

[NoPasaran]

13. Dean today

Dean tomorrow
Anybody but Boooosh in November

[Padraig18]

17. Kick

:dem:

[adamrsilva]

18. You know I used to support Kerry very early on in the race

I liked that he was a vet and he was the only one at the time attacking the Bush admin ("We need a regime change in Washington"), then came Dean, but damn, even if Dean (or Clark) weren't in the race I wouldn't support Kerry now. He just damn imploded. Now that has a lot to do with Dean (and to a lesser extent Clark), but I think I'd still support Gephardt over him had that been the case. At least he takes some somewhat brave positions about things on repealing the tax cuts, NAFTA, and universal healthcare.

[Atlant]

19. Ahh, I see this poll has taken the usual "trend".

Dean gets an early and conclusive lead.

Then, presumably as the word spreads that a poll is up,
Clark pulls ahead.

Curious, isn't it? It always seems to go this way.

Atlant

[TrueAmerican]

20. Yup, I missed it the first time. I just voted

for General Wesly Clark.

Thanks for kicking this up.

[jmaier]

21. Perhaps

Clark supporters aren't always lurking handy to take a poll. You have to go remind them. Please don't tell me this doesn't happen on other campaign blogs, for instance. I can't recall how many 'go vote' posts I've seen at BFA. It's just normal online supporter stuff. Pretty inconsequential.



Wes Clark. He will make an extraordinary American President.

[Padraig18]

22. It does seem to be a trend.

Maybe they just network better via IM than Dean supporters do...

:shrug:

[Name removed]

24. Deleted message

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[adamrsilva]

25. Every poll has been like that

Freepers and Dean haters vote for Clark just to make Dean number 2.

[Terwilliger]

28. good gracious!

how over-the-top of you

[WillyT]

40. LOL !!! --- Ya Gotta Wonder Sometimes...

Is it really a new person, or somebody who's reincarnated themselves!

Is that even a sentence???

:shrug:

[FrenchieCat]

23. Go Clark!

Clark will make an extraordinary American President!

I'm from the Winning Wes Wing of the Democratic Party

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. Clark. n/t

[Hawkeye-X]

27. Freeped via Clark's blog

I was just peeking through there, and found a post asking to freep this post.

Hawkeye-X

[Padraig18]

30. Please link

I'd love to bookmark that for proof. :)

[Jerseycoa]

33. Proof of what?

Alerting DU members to a DU vote?

[Padraig18]

34. Uh huh.

:)

[Jerseycoa]

35. And that's bad, why?

[Padraig18]

44. It's not bad.

:)

[Jerseycoa]

36. Here you go :)

http://chat.forclark.com/comments/2004/1/7/134240/9602/42#42

That's me, by the way. Did I break a rule?

[Padraig18]

43. No, you didn't break a rule.

You DID, however, make liars out of some of your fellow supporters who deny that such a thing EVER happens at the Clark campaign. It was denied VIGOROUSLY the last time it was raised here, atually! :evilgrin:

[Jerseycoa]

45. I remember that

Dean supporters claimed the same thing and I googled and found an example on a Dean blog. At that time, I think the problem was non-DU members signing up just to vote, which was a real problem. I don't call alerting DU members to a vote carried out on DU a real problem or "freeping," and I don't believe you would, either. Clearly I was snared in some kind of set-up, not the first time.


edit: clarity

[Padraig18]

48. Hehe.

I did sorta set ya up, but not for ill purposes; I simply wanted proof that this sort of thing happens here, which is one reason to never take these polls seriously, like some people seem to. :)

[windansea]

56. why post them then?? n/t

[Padraig18]

57. Oh, it gauges the 'mood' of the board.

:)

[Cat M.]

37. Freep?

Since when is telling other Clark voters that there is a vote available "freeping"?

What, you think only Dean supporters should be allowed to tell other Dean supporters that there's a vote?

You asked why we support Clark when he hasn't proven anything. It is, in part, because of what Dean has proven--that he will flipflop on any issue and pander to anyone in order to get more votes.

Clark has proven that he's consistent, true to his word, and a man of integrity.

And I can't wait to meet he and his wife on Friday! If Clark doesn't win for some reason, I can at least tell everyone I met the man who SHOULD have been president.

[Atlant]

39. This is a recent meme, isn't it?

> You asked why we support Clark when he hasn't proven anything.
> It is, in part, because of what Dean has proven--that he will
> flipflop on any issue and pander to anyone in order to get more
> votes.

A lot of Clark supporters have been using this meme in the last
few days -- did it just hit the talking points memo or something?

Atlant

[Cat M.]

42. Recent?

I don't know about other Clark people but I've been saying it for months, and I know the site "Waffle Powered Howard" has been in existence since before Clark entered the race.

Also, interestingly, my son's Social Studies teacher was teaching them about the election yesterday and made a comment that "Whatever the people in Iowa want to hear is what will come out of Howard Dean's mouth..."

Not to mention, it appears that Dean's own internal polling shows people in NH think he's "indecisive."

So I wouldn't blame any "Clark" talking points for this one. I'd say it has more to do with the fact that Dean is constantly renouncing his previous positions on everything and constantly being caught contradicting himself, such as on the war.

I don't need the Clark campaign to tell me what to think. I'm pretty good at reading the newspapers myself and reaching my own conclusions.

[Doctor_J]

29. HOw come our polls are so different than the national polls?

In the media polls, Dean is way ahead of Clark, but invariably here at DU Wes beats him like a drum. What's up with that?

[OrAnarch]

32. Ahhh....thats cause our 10 Sockpuppets get to vote.

Whoever dies with the most puppets wins.

[Cat M.]

38. Better Check That Last CNN/Gallup Poll...

the one where Dean's 21-point lead has shrunk to 4 points, the margin of error.

The tide is turning...as Gallup pointed out the other day, the majority of candidates leading in January did not go on to win the nomination.

[Melinda]

31. I avoid voting these polls... plus the size of the poll & my sig = a PITA

for some and I don't wanna bog anyone down.

Oops, I did it again, LOL - sorry!!!

[BootinUp]

41. Clark!

:hi:

[adamrsilva]

47. How many people from Clark's blog just signed up

to vote for him here? 30? 40? 50??

[michaelbmoore]

49. Clark04!

:thumbsup:

[Padraig18]

50. Kick

[RetroLounge]

51. Looks like the Dean folks got sick of the bashing

and went elsewhere, or just figured out that these polls are meaningless here on DU.

:) or maybe the Dean Folks all have jobs and can't vote during the day? (Just sarcasm, put down the flame throwers!) :)

or maybe Clark just spanked Dean today... Could happen.

[Padraig18]

53. Nah. Here's what happened:

http://chat.forclark.com/comments/2004/1/7/134240/9602/42#42

But you're right--these polls have NO 'real world' significance. :)

[kayleybeth]

58. General Clark

as always :-)

[GOPBasher]

59. Clark for me.

:)

[BobbyJay]

60. General Wesley Clark

[Kathleen04]

61. Clark..

I think it would be good idea if the mods could set it so that only people with over 100 posts could vote in an official candidate poll..that way we could see the results without the freeping/freeping accusations.

[Padraig18]

62. kick

[mlawson]

63. I had to be loyal to Edwards, but I now doubt he will make it.

It's still possible, but he doesn't have much time left. His only chance is, if he is The Anointed One (of the DNC/DLC), in which case he will suddenly and amazingly catch on. And we will all go, "Holy s----, what happened???"

Otherwise, I will be happy with Clark or Dean as well. Or some combination.

[Kahuna]

65. A Wednesday morning kick!

:kick:

[robbedvoter]

66. And, Clark scoooores yet again!

He's running for president, and he is not used to losing.  And if he gets the nomination, he'll go up and down this country and beat on President Bush like a drum.  He'll do 2,000 yards every morning; he'll rappel down any cliff he needs to; he will shake off any small-arms fire as if it were a swarm of gnats.  And he'll get better at the game each and every day.
He hates to lose.  And he doesn't run from fights.
And even if he's never played the game, he's never a beginner at anything.
Dismissed."
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