Help Gov. Dean Get The NRA's Endorsement!

[billbuckhead]

"Help Gov. Dean Get The NRA's Endorsement!
Suggested by Mrs. Kelly Jacobs

Gov. Dean is the only Democrat running for President to have received an "A" rating from the NRA. Dean's position on sensible gun laws should merit the NRA's endorsement of him for the democratic nomination."

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< http://www.boomundo.com/dean/nra.htm>

Google NRA and Howard Dean and this site is one of the first to come up.

[Padraig18]

1. you cannot continue a flame war from another thread in a new post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=72486&mesg_id=72486

[billbuckhead]

5. This is a link to get your candidate an NRA nomination

Isn't that what you want? shouldn't the rest of us a voice in whether we think this is a good idea? So on two counts this not a flame war.

[Bertha Venation]

6. After your edit: STILL looks to me like an attempt to

continue a flame war. Paddy called it exactly right.

[Padraig18]

9. thank you.

:hi:

[webkev]

2. huh?

does the democratic candidate want that? really?

[Padraig18]

4. No, it's more 'spin'.

The site is in no way affiliated with the Dean campaign.

[mojo2004]

3. Why not get Pat Roberson's too!

seems his Bible thumping might help him there.

[maddezmom]

7. no one wants an NRA endorsement

or atleast I'd hope that none of our dems would want one.

[Padraig18]

11. That site isn't affiliated with the Dean campaign.

It's unclear that they are even Democrats.

[mzmolly]

8. Excellent Idea...it'll help us in the South

:hi:

[billbuckhead]

13. How can it be flame war if Dean people agree with it?

"Excellent Idea...it'll help us in the South"

[Padraig18]

14. It's a *continuation* of a flame war.

Thanks for playing, bill.

[mzmolly]

28. My satirical response was over your head Billybuck?

Oh well. :) Can't win em all. I couldn't care less if the NRA endorses Dean, but frankly, we won't need em ;)

[Upfront]

34. National Republican party

other wise know as the NRA backs Republicans, so Dean has no chance of there endorsement. Dang! LOL What a simple minded attempt to start a flame war. Gees!

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

10. If he did that would actually be VERY good

in fact, that might be Dean's only chance in the general - NRA types are mad at Bush if/when he renews the AWB.

Can you imagine the panic at the RNC if the NRA endoresed Dean? :evilgrin:

[redqueen]

12. Haven't his views on guns 'evolved' with the rest of him?

Does he even still have the same views he did when he got the endorsements originally?

[Democrats unite]

15. Thats hard to say his views keep changing...

and spinning out of control.

[billbuckhead]

18. Whats Dean's official position on this site?

Whats Dean's official position on this site? Can you check into that, Padraig? i wouldn't know who to contact.

[Padraig18]

20. I doubt they care, frankly.

Howwever, my position on deliberately continuing an ongoing flame war into a new thread is quite clear.

[billbuckhead]

24. It looks like an official site and they don't care?

Explain to me what that means? isn't team Dean supposed to be internet saavy? This the 2nd thing that comes up on Google when ones enters NRA and Dean. I can't imagine they don't know about it or that they don't have an opinion on it.

[Padraig18]

25. What about the flame war continuation, bill?

Thanks for playing.

[Jerseycoa]

36. His tax plan's about to evolve, too, most likely.

:evilgrin:

[vi5]

16. But I thought the logic was that.....

If a democrat and a republican have the same position on an issue (ie. the war, taxes, etc.) then why would someone vote for the democrat? So why doesn't that apply to a positive NRA rating which is a hallmark for most republicans and especially bush?

[xultar]

17. Not nice. Fine, $10.00 Clark campaign Represent General Clark with

Dignity and Respect.

[billbuckhead]

21. I'm just giving link to help Dean get NRA endorsement

I want to know why you think this a negative post? Don't you want NRA support? I'm just giving Dean supporters a link to help make it happen.

[Padraig18]

23. No, you are continuing a flame war into a new thread...

... in clear violation of the DU posting rules.

[maxanne]

19. your needle is stuck

on this particular record, bill - and the rest of us have moved on to CDs.

I hope you'll stop soon.

[lovedems]

22. The last thing I would want from any dem is an endorsement from the NRA

I remember in 00 the NRA stating that if * won, they would be able to work out of the oval office. One reason I like Dean is because he is more for the people rather than organizations or corporations. The NRA are on the verge of lunacy and I wouldn't want them in any of my candidates pockets. I think the dems could find a better way than that to defeat the corrupt one.

[kerrygoddess]

26. NRA BLACKLIST

http://www.nrablacklist.com/

I join John Kerry, Oprah Winfrey, Sherryl Crow, Jerry Seinfeld, the AFL-CIO, the NEA, Jack Nicholson, Bruce Springsteen, Matt Damon, The LWV, Paul Newman, Missy Elliot, Madonna, Natalie Merchant, Sean Connery, Shania Twain, The New York Times, Julia Roberts, Maya Angelou, Bonnie Raitt, the YWCA, Dustin Hoffman, NOW, NAACP, Walter Cronkite, George Clooney, Lenny Kravitz, ABC, NBC and a host of others (over 100,000), as a member of the NRA BLACKLIST!

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/7633057.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp

http://www.stopthenra.com/site/PageServer?pagename=ads

[Scott Lee]

27. Continuation of flame war. Poop.

[billbuckhead]

30. I wonder how many DU'ers are blacklisted by the NRA?

That's sounds like a scary group. Natalie Merchant and Walter Cronkite.

I also wonder how many DU'ers are supporting this NRA endorsement effort?

[jobycom]

29. Kiss of death for the nomination

That would help him get the nomination as well as Gingrich's endorsement would help him. Every other candidate and many voters would consider that a sign of selling out. In fact, his high rating with an organization I consider to be responsible for a great degree of violence in America (my opinion, no need to rehash why you disagree, since we are discussing voting, not gun issues) already makes me hesitant to support him.

And of course, the NRA wouldn't do it, either. The NRA will prefer Bush over any Democrat, so they won't give any Democrat ammunition to use against Bush in the general. Even endorsing Dean (or anyone) in the primary would soften some support for Bush in the general, and they would not do that.

[GOPFighter]

31. Ooooh, goody!

This will be the fist time I use the "Hide This Thread" button.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

32. Guess what, Bill:

This is a really, really silly thread. I mean really silly.

[billbuckhead]

33. Gun issues are never silly because they involve life and death

Race issues usually aren't silly. Theres nothing silly about asking for the NRA endorsement.
And there's nothing silly about blacklist either.

[Padraig18]

37. Dean has never asked for the NRA endorsement, bill.

A fact you sorta neglect to mention...

[killbotfactory]

35. If that happened we'd sweep the midwest...

It's not gonna happen.

[Padraig18]

38. he knows that.

It's not why he started the thread. He started it to continue the flame war in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=72486&mesg_id=72486

[billbuckhead]

40. In light of this blacklist, shouldn't Dean address all these "A" ratings

Shouldn't Dean renounce the NRA or a least ask to be on the blacklist? By not turning down this dubious honor, isn't Dean kind of accepting it in the shadows.

[Padraig18]

41. Dean is 'accepting' NOTHING, GOD DAMMIT!

:grr:

[billbuckhead]

43. What's Dean official position on all these NRA "A" ratings he gets?

How can he not address this issue? Why does Dean not comment on the blacklist and all the racists on the board of this odious organization?

[Padraig18]

44. bye.

I'm not wasting any more time on this ridiculous non-issue.

Thanks for playing.

[billbuckhead]

47. Simple question? Will Dean accept an NRA endorsement?

And what is the Dean campaigns official reaction to the NRA-Dean website?

[Hep]

39. Cool! That would be interesting

It's not like people who support him NOW don't know what his stance on the issue is. The NRA wouldn't be that bad for the GE.

What? You mean a candidate, much less a D candidate can actually bridge the gap between gun nuts and gun control nuts? We can't have that. We can't have common ground! Hatred is so much easier!

Poor fellow.

[AntiCoup2K4]

42. I wouldn't bet on the NRA endorsing Dean

It's one thing to give him an A rating as a governor. It's entirely another matter to give up their ability to "have our own office at the White House" which is what they have with Junior.

The good news is that the NRA won't be able to run negative ads against Dean without making themselves look like complete liars. I wouldn't be surprised if they refused to endorse anyone this time. You don't get to be the most powerful lobbyist group in the country by being stupid.

[billbuckhead]

45. The NRA will endorse Bush because it's not about guns

Guns are just "code" for race.

[Lisa0825]

46. Actually, I heard from a "gun nut" friend that a lot of NRA folks are mad

at Bush for not lifting the AWB. They feel like he's done nothing for them at all. Dean sees gun control as an issue for the states. The NRA likes that POV, so they gave him an A rating. They wouldn't endorse him, because they'll get no favors, but I wouldn't mind if they gave him an A rating again. Gun control is near the top of my list of issues, so leaving it up to the states is OK with me.