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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 03:12 PM
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Right now the contest vs. Bush looks bleak--but it can be done
and I'm not saying it is impossible, but Bush is making a come-back in the polls. He has co-opted the Medicare issue with his prescription drug plan (though it is clearly a bad bill). He is going to attract lots of latino votes with his newly released immigration program (though to me it seems like it is pandering). The economy can still be a issue, but statistically it is getting better. Iraq will be an issue--but it seems the press is falling in line and not being as agressive about the chaos in the country as it once was. Finally, he will have $200 million to paint his opponent as too liberal or too dangerous.

I think we have some wonderful candidates: Dean, Clark, Gephardt, Kerry, Edwards, Braun, Sharpton, Kucinich, and yes, even Lieberman are head and shoulders above the bumbling idiot we call our president, but with a biased media and loads of money I think as of now it is going to be difficult to beat him.

But I'm not advocating retreat. We just gotta unite behind whoever the nominee is--even if you don't currently like him or her. Bush is the real enemy and he is too dangerous. We gotta bring the most intense campaign possible to knock him out. We can't be "Mr. Nice" on the stump but keep up a daily barrage of charges aainst the administration--one of the most dangerous in history and corrupt. We need a candidate who will not say, "I disagree with Bush, but like him personally" and garbage like that. This is war. The only way we will win is if we take the battle directly to Bush and hold his feet against the fire.

Yes, the press will say that the democrats are running a mean campaign just like they always do, but Fuck them--they won't be in our corner no matter what. Our candidate's negatives might increase but our core supporters will be revited and Naderites will be delighted that we are really running a fightin' campaign and we may actually convince enough undecideds that there really is a difference in the parties and compare how this country was doing under Clinton compared to under Bush. Then we might win.

It will be tough--but doable. That is my two cents.
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 03:18 PM
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1. The first thing the dems should do is get rid of McAuliffe.
That is my two cents. He hasn't done anything to help the dems in the last 4 years. As a matter of fact, I think he hurt the dems in 02 congressional races. That would be a step in the right direction for fighting the good fight this year.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 03:20 PM
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2. Its a long time from January to November.
Relax. Bush is going to lose. Its in the stars!!
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 03:33 PM
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7. I wish beyond anything that I could share your enthusiasm
and my doubt doesn't come because of the ability of our candidates, it comes because of the corrupt nature of this misadministration. Does he deserve another 4 years leading this great country? Hell no! But they have shown what they can't get legitimately, they will steal.
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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 03:37 PM
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9. Do we have the time
to relax? The economy is getting better (good thing, but bad in terms of our candidate), and the media refuses to report the facts. Those are two strikes against us and whatever candidate we decide to field.

We need to hit them hard and keep hitting them until there is nothing left of the fabrications they've created to protect themselves. Their shield of lies will collapse allowing the rot that's infected the Republican party from within to show through.

We can't be complacent, if we are we may as well not even vote. With the black boxes firmly in the hands of individuals associated with the * cartel and the close election "just relax"ing will give, I for one can see how that will play out.

We'll have four more years of this Bushit.

That is something that I will not tolerate

:mad:
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 03:26 PM
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3. I don't care for him either
he is fine as a treasurer because he knows how to raise money, but as DNC chairman we need a powerful messanger when he appears on television--something McAuliffe doesn't do well.
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 03:29 PM
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4. Put Dean in there!
If he doesn't win the nomination, I mean...
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adamrsilva Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 03:30 PM
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6. I agree, actually! If Dean doesn't win the nom he should be
the DNC Chairman and show them how it's done!
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adamrsilva Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 03:30 PM
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5. I agree, if only the election had been last November
when he had a 50% approval rating, we could have taken him.

However, this election will be close no matter what, simply because of the deep dvisions within the electorate and how that is reflected on state lines. Just like it is safe to say the South and midwest are solid Bush country, it's safe to say New England, the Great Lake States, and the Pacific Coast are solid Dem country. This battle is going to be over one state of either FL, OH, or MO.
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 03:36 PM
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8. I have a suspicion that maybe these recent poll numbers that
put the chimp with a big lead is to give the appearance that when they steal the election again, they can refer to the polls and call it a landslide. There is definately something suspicious with the recent polls. I just can't put my finger on it yet.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 03:38 PM
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10. A lot can happen between now and then.
It ain't over 'til it's over.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 03:38 PM
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11. Its not bleak
Edited on Wed Jan-07-04 03:43 PM by nu_duer
Pollwise, one that was released within the past week showed Dean within 5pts of bush, but polls are all over the place, and, imho, pretty irrelevent at this point as far as the matchup w/ the moron. As far as bush's overall rating, somewhere in the fifties if you average the polls, I believe, that's good news. The Medicare bill - which I've read a LOT of seniors are not happy about (they are actually part of us - and know bs when its thrown at them), a "successful" war, and the appearance of an economic recovery, and this sitting pRes. can't manage to get above 60% approval, even with the media whores continually spewing the rw talking points. Again, the numbers are good news for us, and for the country. Imho.

And it does't matter how much money the piggies spread around, they can't buy integrity, they can't buy honesty, they can't buy sincerity. And they can't buy back the goodwill of a nation to whom they've lied. When we come together as a cohesive singular alternative to their failed, deceptive and deadly policies, bush's 50something per cent approval will resume its downward spiral.

I'm not deluded enough to believe that the den of snakes has no tricks up its sleeve, but they don't have "right" on their side, they don't have truth on their side - we do, and I don't believe they'll be able to overcome our advantage.


Fight, and hard, we must. But bleak, it is not.

My 2 cents.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-07-04 03:39 PM
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12. totally agree....you have to like the grass roots approach to bypass
the press...who clearly want shrub
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