Fear now being displayed by Dean and his supporters.

[jpgpenn]

Well since the poll yesterday showed Clark drawing even with Kerry in NH Dean, his campaign and supporters are now in attack mode. Thier approach is almost a carbon copy of what many expect from Rove. For a so called campaigning wizard in Trippi, if this is the best he can do, it's laughable. I HOPE they throw everything possible they can think of at Clark, for once he shows it for the stupdity it is, it will leave Rove scrabbling for even more crazy angles of attack.

The more i think of it, do we really expect anything else from a candidate that said in a well thought out brochure that he was the ONLY candidate against the war.

[Jack_Dawson]

1. Panic is setting in (justifiably)

It's easy to be "above it all" when you're kicking ass in the polls. But swallow your foot enough times and it's going to catch up with you. The polls are bearing this out and many Dean supporters (not all) are starting to freak out, as we can see from the hateful posts today.

Either that or...people are starting to become suspicious that George Will, Tom Delay, William Safire and Tucker Carlson are all foaming at the mouth over the prospect of a Dean nomination.

Why, oh why, are none of these repugs clamoring for a CLARK nomination? :freak:

[jonnyblitz]

12. you would think that if they wanted Dean to win they would ignore

him and not bash him 24/7 in the press. Continously saying they want him because he will never win, to me, does the complete opposite of what you claim.Itgets all the DEMs running scared because he is the front runner and they hear this non stop trashing on tv. If they were afraid of CLark I would think they would do to him what they are now doing to Dean .

[MoonRiver]

62. Rove and Co. are a lot more devious than that.

They hope that Dems will take the position that "if the bushies claim they want Dean, they must really fear him." The truth is just the opposite. Clark is the absolutely ONLY candidate we have who can clean bush*s clock, and stop America's march toward Armageddon.

[bitchkitty]

90. My, aren't you clever.

Why aren't you President?

[MoonRiver]

91. I don't want to be, and I'm not qualified.

Clark is and will be.

[bitchkitty]

94. You're not qualified to

interpret Karl Rove's thoughts either.

[bitchkitty]

89. That's what I think -

and what anyone with half a brain cell would think.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

95. Any news is good news..... As long as they spell your name right.

n/t

[rogerhall]

2. Fear and loathing, ok. Just stop the shite.

Fear I don't mind. Not liking someone's personality or politics, ok.

But passing on the obvious disproved-BS again and again and creating long lists of out-of-context quotes is just annoying.

I hate that crap when the Republicans do it (and they are obviously masters at it). Why would I want that in a Dem?

[Padraig18]

3. PURE flame bait.

3....... 2....... 1....... :eyes:

[Padraig18]

6. Rule 1:

"1. If you start a thread in the General Discussion forum, you must present your opinion in a manner that is not inflammatory, which respects differences in opinion, and which is likely to lead to respectful discussion rather than flaming. Some examples of things which should generally be avoided are: unnecessarily hot rhetoric, nicknames for prominent Democrats or their supporters, broad-brush statements about groups of people, single-sentence "drive-by" thread topics, etc."

[jpgpenn]

10. wow this opinion has you all fired up huh?

diversity of issues is key to democracy. work on it!

[Padraig18]

15. Rule 1:

1. If you start a thread in the General Discussion forum, you must present your opinion in a manner that is not inflammatory, which respects differences in opinion, and which is likely to lead to respectful discussion rather than flaming. Some examples of things which should generally be avoided are: unnecessarily hot rhetoric, nicknames for prominent Democrats or their supporters, broad-brush statements about groups of people, single-sentence "drive-by" thread topics, etc.

[jpgpenn]

36. this is not and was not written for such a reason.

these are common opinion expressed here on a regular basis. nothing more. once again if you can't debate the subject on issues then perhap step back and allow for a constructive conversation.

[Padraig18]

38. Violating the rules is violating the rules.

I don't give a flying f*** what your 'motivation' is...

[Democrats unite]

52. I don't think masked swearing is allowed?

But I am sure somebody has hit the alert button here.

[Padraig18]

53. It is allowed.

You can't swear in the initial post only, or at least that's what the fucking rules say...:P

[jpgpenn]

7. flame bait?

How so? I saying its a flame for stating my view in a diplomatic manner.

There are others out there with views other then yours. If you can't except diverse opinion, that is something you need to work on.

[Padraig18]

9. No.

It's flame bait. Your initial post is NOT respectful--it's inflammatory and combatative, per se.

[bitchkitty]

97. Inflammatory has 5 syllables.

You'll want to use very easy words here.

[Hep]

11. It's pretty inflammatory

but an argument and a mindset that really needs to be confronted. I'm glad you posted it, because it gives me a chance to try to remind you of what this is all about.

[jpgpenn]

24. such a hard time with...

views of others.

[Padraig18]

25. Not when they're presented in a CIVIL manner.

1. If you start a thread in the General Discussion forum, you must present your opinion in a manner that is not inflammatory, which respects differences in opinion, and which is likely to lead to respectful discussion rather than flaming. Some examples of things which should generally be avoided are: unnecessarily hot rhetoric, nicknames for prominent Democrats or their supporters, broad-brush statements about groups of people, single-sentence "drive-by" thread topics, etc.

[Name removed]

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[Padraig18]

42. how is this 'civil'?

"...his campaign and supporters are now in attack mode. Thier approach is almost a carbon copy of what many expect from Rove."

I think even non-Dean supporters would agree that that's about as uncivil as you can get---comparing us to KKKarl Rove as a group (which is also a rules violation).

[knight_of_the_star]

83. Excuse me, but

What part of this entire sub-forum is civil? Can you point it out to me?

[Hep]

101. My part.

I meant nothing uncivil in my post pointing out that this is an approach to politics that needs to be confronted. Nothing uncivil about it at all.

[Hep]

100. Views of others. Yeah

When people say abortion is murder, I have a problem with that. When people say black people are dumber genetically I have a problem. Some views are just stupid and baseless, and frankly there's nothing wrong with havinbg a problem with it.

[mot78]

4. Carbon Copy? It IS Rove doing this

As a fellow Clark supporter, I ask people to stop buying into this flame fest. These anti-Clark attacks are being orchestrated right from Crawford.

[jpgpenn]

14. well its good to ...

state a view other then the lies that are being thrown about and that is what I have done.

[Padraig18]

18. You should do it in a manner that complies with the rules. n/t

[jpgpenn]

41. it is

from what i have read.

[Padraig18]

45. Read again

"...his campaign and supporters are now in attack mode. Thier approach is almost a carbon copy of what many expect from Rove...."

THAT is by no stretch of the imagination 'civil'.

[LuminousX]

5. Evidence? Or is that just an opinion

All I sense is dogged determination. Fear will set in if Clark is within 10 points of Dean after the voting in New Hampshire. But fear in and of itself isn't a bad thing. A little feeling of crisis fuels creativity (Apollo 13 anyone?)

Attempt to sow the seeds of fear won't work before then. The soil isn't fertile for that time of planting.

[Scott Lee]

20. Fear mongering, and a pathetic attempt at it

What else would I expect from the Clark camp, as they watch the continued gap between Dean and their guy. It must be painful to watch.

[jpgpenn]

30. fear is a very bad thing...

when those struggling with it, stop at saying and doing nothing to get what they want. Hence the quote from a very well thought out brochure from Dean and his camp.......... the only candidate not to support the war.

[Hep]

8. Wow, that's a terrible misasessment.

I haven't been told to do anything other than what I've done. Write letters in support of howard dean, contribute when I can, and spread the word in my community. I've been told to become more politically active in my precinct and pay more attention to the people around me.

I don't know a thing about this attack mode thing. I can't control what each individual does, and that's the beauty of this campaign. Yes, a drawback is that there are some supporters who will use their power in the campaign for nefarious purposes. But the thing that's so great about this is that it really is up to ME to get him nominated.

This campaign is run by the people. It's a shame we have to put up with a few supporters who abuse their power. And it's a shame that all the bad stuff gets attention while all the good stuff goes unnoticed. But that's the way it is.

People really have to stop overblowing this kind of stuff. We're not scared. We're not desperate. We're just fine, thanks.

[jpgpenn]

19. far from it

I have been reading your views for many many months now. try a new one, this high road stance missed the matk.

[Hep]

102. I beg to differ.

It's not about my views. You made a claim about Dean supporters. A blanket statement. I demonstrated that it was false and explained to you what our campaign is all about. I even admitted that it has its downside. I don't deny that some Dean supperters regularly cross the line with their tactics. But I insist that one should NOT define the campaign based on this anomaly. DU is not the US. DU is the last place you should be collecting data about political discourse in this country.

That you aren't actually adressing what I'm talking about kinda demonstrates how you might just be projecting a little with your original asessment. I've done nothing but explain to you in civil terms how you are wrong, and all you have for me is baiting. You need a higher test.

[quinnox]

13. I noticed

When I looked at DU primary forum today, I was amazed at all the Dean supporters posting attack threads. Most of these were against Clark, but a couple were aimed at Kerry also.

I guess Dean's evaporating support (according to many recent news stories) is putting a scare into some of his supporters.

[Padraig18]

22. you must be in the alternate DU.

Because that's NOT been GD-P2004 today, by a long shot...

[jpgpenn]

47. yes very true

it was a sea of rehashed garbage that has been dispelled months and months ago. They will throw everything at the wall in hopes of 1 piece sticking, they have nothing else.

What should be talk about more is when the Iowa and NH vote is over. that is when the majority of America starts to vote. Iowa and NH are no guide to what America is or says.

[Cha]

16. Sorry, Wrong Number!

That's one of the many reasons I love my Dean Campaign ...We Have No Fear!:kick:

[jpgpenn]

27. his campaign sure does..

Anytime anyone has to stoop to repeated lies and flip flops to get a vote, no other words can be used.

[Padraig18]

28. Meadow muffins!

:eyes:

[edzontar]

17. Pot calls kettle black--film at 11.

Seriously--the ONLY loathing I am seeing arounf here is directed at Dean...with maybe one or two pitches at Clark...

I HOPE Dean's organization ATTACKS---it is time to return fire.

[jpgpenn]

23. ok

I take to you don't watch much major media tv huh?

[edzontar]

37. Nope--I have been avoiding it....

Watched the debates though--

[jpgpenn]

50. i suggest you start again

turning a blind eye from what the media does , doesn't make it go away.


edit; text fix

[Paragon]

21. Attack, when you're up 20 points on him in the polls?

Uh, no.

[SEAburb]

26. Trying to trippi up Clark ain't easy

Takes lots of surrogates.

[damnraddem]

29. Let's see:

Clark surged to 16%, while Kerry dropped into 3rd place with 12%. And poor Dean is sitting on a mere 36%. Sure, seems reason to panic to me.

LOL!

[jpgpenn]

33. yes it sure does

as has been mentioned here many times, he has hit his ceiling. Millions of dollars and over 1 year of campaigning.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

31. This really obviates long lists.

[Padraig18]

32. LOL

Living dangerously....

[A-Schwarzenegger]

44. ?? Just a random nonsensequitor ...

[WillyT]

34. It's Just Like The First Time I Had Sex... I Was So Scared...

I was all by myself!!!

:hi::evilgrin::hi:

[quinnox]

35. Trippi has never managed a winning presidential candidate

A lot of the talk about Trippi's so called wizardry is just that, talk. He has managed all losers so far. Jerry Brown, Gephardt in '88, and one other I believe. I have a feeling Dean will prove to be no different, when all is said and done. Trippi's record will remain intact.

[no name no slogan]

43. Mondale in '84

that was his other campaign. And, speaking as someone from the only state (excluding D.C. of course) Mondale carried, we all know how well THAT one went.

[quinnox]

49. thanks

I knew it was someone else who lost big.

[LuminousX]

65. Holy Crap! People lose more often than win

Luckily, Dean hasn't lost an election yet.

[Name removed]

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[in_cog_ni_to]

46. What a difference a POLL makes, eh?

All the crap posted here last night and today all stems from the Dean people feeling the heat. Clark's catching up and they are in FEAR! I can't wait to see what they say the day Clark beats Dean's ass in the primary. OR the day he comes in ST in a POLL...EEEEEK! We'll have to keep some defibrillators available on DU. :7

[jpgpenn]

55. yes , true

Wait till the elections really get started, after Iowa and NH that is. Remember, Dean has been campaigning there for over a year and has dumped millions. He is expected to win by NO less then 25% in NH. I wish him luck.:toast:

[Nazgul35]

48. I'm soo scared I went and voted

for Dean in Michigan...

Just cast my vote at 6:26 EST....

Now I have plenty of time to work on canvassing and getting out the votes.....for Dean that is....

[jpgpenn]

57. good to hear.

Voting is a great thing. I personally can't wait until the Majority of American Dems select their candidate.After Iowa and NH the real race will begin.

[Rowdyboy]

61. Congrats on being among the first to get a chance to cast a vote

AGAINST BUSH! It must feel wonderful to be in on the process at the very start. While Clark's my 1st choice, Dean is my 2nd so congrats and get to work! :toast:

[SheilaT]

51. Here's one Dean supporter

who isn't feeling fear. Other than the fear that W will remain in power, but I'm still confident Howard Dean will get the nomination. And I'll vote for him, or whoever else is the nominee.

Getting Bush out is the most important thing.

[jpgpenn]

58. Best of Luck to you

[AnnabelLee]

54. Projection can be a strange thing n/t

[Padraig18]

56. LOL!

Ain't it the truth? :P

[jpgpenn]

59. yes it can but LIES say everything that ...

needs to be said.

[Name removed]

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[Forkboy]

63. These threads are so stupid

[Padraig18]

64. Ain't it the truth?

I think you'd agree that it's also pure flame bait, correct?

[Forkboy]

76. pure flamebait

no point,no reason,no thought...just dumb.None of the candidates are scared of anything at this point.These threads,regardless of the candidate they attack,are so petty,shortsighted and immature it's frightening to think that supposed adults are posting them.

[Name removed]

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[Padraig18]

71. I would suggest that you review these:

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Have a nice day.

[Forkboy]

74. Perhaps you can work on reading comprehension

Post all the damn threads you want....this is still a stupid ass thread.

[Padraig18]

75. And flame bait, to boot. n/t

[bitchkitty]

87. Stupid and transparent.

If Clark manages to finagle the nomination, I'm going to have a very hard time voting for him, because of his supporters. I fucking hate them.

[jpgpenn]

96. that is your loss

I sure wont be losing sleep over your decision.

[LuminousX]

66. Pure Flamebait

What exactly do you wish to discuss with this thread?

[jpgpenn]

73. ?

perhaps you should have read my post a lil more thoroughly before posting your reply.

[Padraig18]

78. he did. n/t

[clarknyc]

67. I'm supporting Dean...

without a trace of fear. BTW, Clark is a good candidate, I just like Dean better.

[WillyT]

80. Ok, Now THAT'S Just Plain Confusing, LOL !!!

Clark who's for Dean but likes Clark.

I think I'll drink early tonight. Oops, too late.

:hi:

[Melinda]

68. Fear is the bait Bush* pushes & what Dean supporters aren't eating.

And now we know which team you're on. But thanks for playing. :hi:

[jpgpenn]

70. I'm not "playing"

[Padraig18]

72. You may be 'playing' and not be aware of it.

We'll see....

[THX1138]

77. "Dean, Dean, Dean..."

eom

[Rowdyboy]

79. Welcome, THX1138

THX1138 is, of course, a little known masterpiece, so I expect great things of you.

[shivaji]

81. Ever hear of Machivelli?

He was famous for pushing idea's exactly opposite of what he really wanted. Remember how Tom Sawyer got his fence painted?

[jpgpenn]

82. as per my post

Do you remember when Dean in his brochure said ...he was the ONLY candidate that was against the war?

[knight_of_the_star]

84. This should be fun

Not so nice being king of the hill, now is it?

[bitchkitty]

85. You don't speak for me -

I'm a Dean supporter. For your information, it's not attack mode, it's defensive mode.

Wesley Clark is not even a real Democrat, and I doubt that the authors of most of the bullshit anti-Dean posts are either.

[jpgpenn]

88. really?

lol defensive mode huh? ok, Clark isnt a "REAL" Dem? What the do you think about Dean's Repuke family?

[bitchkitty]

92. I wouldn't know, but

many in my family are Republicans, and if you called them Repukes to their face I'd slap you silly.

Right now, I'm ABB. If this keeps up much longer, there's no fucking way on earth I'll vote for Wesley Clark. He's a Republican, and his supporters act like freepers.

[jsw_81]

86. Fear? I don't think so

Dean is going to win Iowa (bye bye Gephardt), then New Hampshire (bye bye Kerry and Lieberman), then South Carolina (bye bye Edwards and Clark). So who's going to stop Howard Dean? Kucinich? Sharpton? I don't think so.

[Printer70]

93. Wesley Clark needs not be criticized

His lack of experience, military aggression, slaughter of innocents in Serbia, hobnobbing with war criminals like Mladic and terrorists like the KLA, and Pollyanish tax proposal that increases the deficit with more irresponsible tax cuts should convince reasonable Democrats not to hand the keys to this man.

[jpgpenn]

98. hence the subject of my post, ...a reply like yours!

[bitchkitty]

99. So has anyone alerted on this garbage yet?

I WOULD HAVE BEEN A REPUBLICAN IF KARL ROVE HAD RETURNED MY PHONE CALLS

[Moderator]

103. Locking this thread...

Please refrain from posting inflammatory threads.

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DU Moderator