Does Rove want Clark?

[windansea]

I don't think so...

awol vs 4 star...nope

Clark voted republican....nope

Clark praised chimpy....nope

One issue they could use would be that Clark has never held political office...which could be countered by detailing the immense responsibilities of being the Supreme Commander of Nato.

Clark's lack of political baggage offers few targets and could be a great advantage marketing him as an outsider to a divided nation.

How would Rove attack Clark?? How could he be defended against such attacks?

[jpgpenn]

1. LOL, Great Strip

Thanks:yourock:

[windansea]

19. thanks!

I love political cartoons...I check them every day and this is one of the first I've seen on Clark...there are hundreds on a certain other candidate...and they aren't very complimentary!!

[Paragon]

2. Clark, one issue candidate.

Oh, he has *stances* on other issues, I'm sure - but no one will really look past the uniform.

No political experience = not much of a leg to stand on on other issues. Sad, but true.

[StClone]

9. Bush held an "Honorary Position in Texas"

The Gubernatorial position of Texas is Bush's political experience as a toothless figurehead and yet he is in the White House.

[Paragon]

17. Let's not make Bush-Clark comparisons.

Anyone comes out smelling like a rose against that guy - especially a four-star general. If Clark pulls off the nomination, the last thing I'd call him was a "toothless figurehead" - just vulnerable on anything except defense and terrorism.

That's why he gets the support he does and the fear from the Republicans - tunnel-visioned people who think one issue defines the election.

[windansea]

27. Clark's positions seem pretty steady

unlike the frontrunner who seems to whirl around like a weather vane

Clark new tax plan is also much more palatable to voters than Dean's

Clark has the BEST advisors from the Clinton team...and you remember how horrible the 90's were right??

[Paragon]

38. One small problem...

No one CARES about Clark's position on anything else but defense. He's a candidate for basically one reason only.

[windansea]

39. Lots of us care

he's actually more liberal than Dean and his defense credentials open up the debate against chimp...he defuses the "are we safe" issue

This allows dems to frame the debate

[Paragon]

40. Yes, "frame the debate" on one issue

And thus, back to my original point.

[windansea]

47. Clark makes defense a non issue

which opens up a dem attack on deficit...jobs...healthcare etc

don't you get it...Rove cannot attack on defense/terror issue

Clark defuses it...this is GOOD

[shivaji]

57. If Clark can't even beat Dean, how will he beat Bush?

All these thousands of posts by Clark supporters are a giant waste of time. With elections only a couple of weeks away, Dean is STILL OUTPOLLING CLARK 2:1. If Clark can't beat Dean, all these comparisons with Bush*co are a giant waste of time. But then Clark supporters seem to have giant amount of postng time on their hands LOL, while Dean supporters are out there wearing out shoe leather.

[Turkw]

62. I care, and I like almost every position he has stated

There are no SECOND class citizens in the Democratic party

[John_H]

63. This is going to be a one issue race if Dean is the nominee

thanks to 200 million Chimpy Bucks and an ass kiss media. The whole point is Clark takes away the national security issue and opens up all the others to beat the Chimp with.

Jeez, if a dope like me can understand this, why can't all you smart people?

[windansea]

70. amazing isn't it?

:shrug:

[Boo Boo]

68. Actually...

I was just about to say that about Howard Dean.

And you better believe Clark has "stances," although, here on planet Earth we call them policy proposals. Last time I looked, Clark has a lot more those any of the other candidates.

In any case, with regards to experience: if this election was decided solely on the basis of experience, Clark would win hands down. No contest. None of the other candidates comes close, and they all know it, even if you don't.

[fishguy]

3. How would Bush attack Clark?

My daddy has more money than your daddy?!

[Cannikin]

6. I want to learn more about Clark's tax plan...

Sounded kinda odd to me.

[Lefta Dissenter]

18. Cann,

have you gone to his website www.Clark04.com to check out the entire plan? What he put forth yesterday was just a portion of it. You might have a better understanding of the entire plan if you go there. If you still have questions after reading that, I'm sure that there are plenty of tax-savvy Clark supporters here who would be happy to take their best crack at answering your questions.

[LTR]

20. Learn away!

http://clark04.com/issues/familiesfirst/

Let's make it simple:

http://www.clark04.com/taxcalculator/

[Lefta Dissenter]

28. Oh RAT!

That graphic is horribly hilarious!

[windansea]

61. LOL n/t

[polpilot]

10. Bush wouldn't have to attack Clark. Bush 58% Clark 42%. No story here.

Dean '04...

[Bombtrack]

15. and what does Clark have, 7 percent name recognition?

those national head-to-heads are pretty meaningless

[windansea]

36. right

a recent NH statewide poll had Clark 5 points better than Dean against bush

[BobbyJay]

22. Yes, a natl poll vs Bush 10 months before the election is SUPER RELEVANT

Clinton was some 20 points behind Bush 1 in APRIL.

[LuminousX]

26. Just remember all those posts regarding Dean being behind Bush

Now that Dean is essentially tied with Bush, suddenly it isn't about who is polling better.

I mean, I agree, it isn't about it, but it is interesting how the tactics change. See, that is all it is, a tactic.

[windansea]

30. Dean gets slaughtered by Bush

Bush vs Dean
Who Did it When Bush Dean
CNN/USA Today/Gallup Jan 2-5 59% 37%
Rasmussen Reports Jan 2-4 51% 37%
CNN/Time Dec 30-Jan 1 51% 46%
CBS/NY Times Dec 21-22 55% 35%
ABC/Washington Post Dec 18-20 55% 37%
Newsweek Dec 18-19 53% 40%
CNN/USA Today/Gallup Dec 15-16 60% 37%
Insider Advantage Dec 15-16 51% 34%
NBC/Wall Street Journal Dec 14 52% 31%

[jmaier]

31. Essentially tied with Bush?

That would be surprisingly great news -- if it were true. Currently, Bush hammers pretty much all the Dems as might be expected at this stage in the election process. No worries ... yet. If it doesn't tighten up before the Rethuglican convention, then we have a problem.

[JVS]

34. Just say "We are similar" like he tried to be similar to Gore

then the greens pick up the pieces and Bush wins

[xultar]

4. KKKarl wants Clark like he wants a hole in the head n/t

[TacticalPeek]

11. Like another hole in the head.

:)

[cavebat2000]

5. I agree

Clarks Reputation alone can win the election. Thats one of the reasons why im torn as a Dean and Clark supporter!

[fishguy]

8. Go Clark

Dean has too much baggage, whether he deserves it or not.

[styersc]

13. I also had been enamored by Dean and still love to hear him speak...

...but conversations with undecideds has me realizing that he will not make in roads to those who are interested in National Security.

I went to see Clark in Columbia, SC he was introduced by Charles Rangel and Andrew Young). He did a great job and was well recieved,

Another bonus that can be added to the "political outsider" bonus is the fact that he was "drafted" in to service as a candidate.

If I was running his campaign (given that he gets the nomination) I'd run him as a well disciplined Clinton- all of the brains and ideas, none of the zipper problems.

[Bombtrack]

7. I think you would have a rash of resignations from GOP strategists

if he won the nomination. And another wave when he picks Bob Graham as his runningmate.

contrasted with multiple injuries to GOP strategists if Dean won the nomination...














from all of the champagne corks that would be flying at their headquarters

[CWebster]

12. The one he got fired from?

After he rattled the sabre at the russians at Pristina.

Sir, I am not going to be responsible for starting WW3.


Riiiiigggght.

[Lefta Dissenter]

14. Great and entirely accurate cartoon,

In fact, I don't think it's even a cartoon, it's an actual transcript with real photos, isn't it?

And great commentary by the OPoster, as well, if I may say so...

:toast:

[windansea]

24. thanks

:toast:

[Printer70]

16. Clark = natural politician

Ever seen Clark when he's forced to go off the script? Just watching him squirm makes you uncomfortable. He usually repeats himself, ignoring the question, and making himself look to be ignorant on the issues and intransigent. As long as he repeats "higher standard of leadership" frequently enough, he thinks he'll get elected. He is not a politician, he is a novice. All the experience in the world killing people on the battlefield will not teach him how to conduct himself in interviews and come across as knowledgable. He will be made minced meat by Rove and Co.

[Lefta Dissenter]

23. HUH?

I think you couldn't be more wrong! I think Clark is brilliant when he's off-script. His town-hall meetings are absolutely amazing. Have you watched any of those? (avail at CSpan)

I know that some people who are more used to sound-bites might get frustrated with Clark, because he explains his thinking and his reasoning for his answers - perhaps giving more background than what the questioner anticipated. I so look forward to his interviews and other q&a opportunities, because I don't have to sit there with baited breath, afraid he's going to make a gaffe that needs correction or clarification later in the day. His brilliance and compassion just shine.

[Printer70]

41. You missed Hardball

He spent 15 minutes trying to explain why he was fired for reasons of "character" and "integrity". It was painful to watch. He barely had time to talk about anything else. He could have handled it in a few minutes if he had the political skills.

[windansea]

52. it was a bit dificult

But not as painfull as Dean getting laughed at on national TV

"in the 6th or 7th year of my administration"

[Jerseycoa]

71. Now now

Laughing with

[windansea]

73. do I get a fine??

:9

[windansea]

25. guess you missed Clark on MTP

didn't see any scripts lting around

[Printer70]

46. Softballs; Hardball was different

I refer you to Hardball where Clark couldn't explain the issue of his termination without taking up half the show. He ate up all his time he could have used talking about what he was going to do for America (which is still unknown).

[TacticalPeek]

21. Rove will have lost his job by then.

His replacement will have to deal with Clark.


:evilgrin:

[H2O Man]

33. Think about all of the diferent type of voters.

Some are very smart. They probably like Dean, Clark, or one of the other serious democratic candidates. Others are greedy and evil. They don't really even have to like bush, but they are happy being able to plunder and steal and dump poisons into the environment under his brilliant & bold leadership.

Then there are the less informed voters. These are the ones who, at this point, are only mildly interested in "politics." They do not fully understand how "politics" impacts their lives.

These are the people who read PEOPLE. They are probably worrying about mad cow disease and Michael Jackson more than Iraq right about now. You and I can tell them that unless they are allowing the decaying flesh of a dead bovine to enter the sacred temple of their body, or sending their youngsters to sleep with Michael, they're more likely to lose their son in the war for Halliburton.

But they will vote based upon FEAR. Because that is the national mood today, and it sure as heck will be in ten months!Each vote counts the same, unless you are in Florida, of course. So, really, who has the best chance to win in November? If I thought it was Dean, I'd say so, because I admire him. But I believe Clark is the only one who can do battle with this beast.

[windansea]

60. thanks

welcome to du

[elfin]

29. No - those two strong people couldn't get along

ON edit - misread completely - blame the 2 glasses of wine. Skimmed and thought it was another Does Dean want Clark? threads.

Does Dean want Clark? Maybe as Sec of Defense - but I bet Clark would pick up his stars and return to a quasi-private life to make some money and be a public kibitzer after a decent interval.

Does Rove want Clark? Never. His worst nightmare - other than Clark's stipulation he would follow campaign donation guidelines, whereas Dean didn't.

[windansea]

35. 527's

can help out with money

[mlawson]

32. No way.

KKKRove wants a Dem who is boring, old hat, uninspiring, and not attractive.

That would NOT be Clark. Or Dean. Or Edwards. Or Kucinich.

Hmmm. Who does that leave???

[killbotfactory]

37. "Reagan was a great leader" - Clark

Rumsfeld is "an inspired choice. He's got great experience, he's got great international stature, he knows the issues. He's coming into familiar terrain.” was an inspired choice" - Clark

“And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office, men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, Paul O'Neill - people I know very well - our president George W. Bush, we need them there, because we've got some tough challenges ahead…” - Clark

This plus pictures where Clark is posing with war criminals, and ties to KLA drug-running terrorists...

Oh yeah, they're quaking in their boots.

[wyldwolf]

42. "Bush is doing a fine job on the war on terrorism" - Dean

Who would be your model as a vice president?

Howard Dean: Dick Cheney... he's incredibly competent

"Oh, well, I tend to believe the president. I think most Americans tends to believe the president."


"I would be surprised if (Saddam) didn't have chemicals and biological weapons."

"I don't want Saddam to stay in power with control over those weapons of mass destruction. I want him to be disarmed."

"Every day that goes by, we destroy more of Saddam's weapons or the inspectors do."

"I think Iraq is automatically an imminent threat to the countries that surround it because of the possession of these weapons."

[killbotfactory]

43. How many republican fundraisers has Dean spoken at?

[wyldwolf]

44. How many secret energy meetings did Dean have?

Now we now why he admires Cheney so much.

[killbotfactory]

45. How many war criminals did Dean pose with?

[wyldwolf]

48. How many kids have died in route to Dean's A+ NRA rating?

[killbotfactory]

49. Not many children did Clark kill in his military career?

[wyldwolf]

50. How many bribes to Dean take - detailed in his sealed records?

[killbotfactory]

54. How many pictures of Dean in speedo's are there to flash around?

Speedo's! Gah!

[wyldwolf]

55. None, because Dean doesn't have the body to wear them.. but...

... there are enough pictures of him floating around where he looks like he's burping.

[killbotfactory]

56. Better to be burping, than look like Big Brother

"Big Brother is watching you. Big Brother is everywhere."



"Look into my eyes and OBEY."

[jpgpenn]

51. NONE, Ask how many people he saved from ethnic cleansing!

[maxanne]

74. if you bothered

to look up VT stats, you'll find a minimal crime rate. Almost no gun crime.

[windansea]

53. interesting

haven't seen one valid rovian attack point yet...

HINT...its in the original post

[Clark4VotingRights]

58. Great post windansea!

Thx.

[windansea]

59. you are welcome

:)

[adamrsilva]

64. Clark can be attacked pretty easily

He will be attacked for his own gaffes, in which he stated he would have voted for the war.

He will be attacked because he supported Bush before and said he was doing a good job.

He will be attacked because the Pentagon kicked him out.

He will be attacked because he has no experience.

He will be attacked because he is "Hillary's Dark Horse" for 2008.

(I'm not saying I believe any of that, but that's what they will say.)

[killbotfactory]

65. And don't forget:

Posing for pictures with war criminals...

Handing over authority in Kosovo to drug-running KLA terrorists...

Not that I believe any of it...

[Boo Boo]

66. That's an excellent...

photograph of Karl Rove.

[windansea]

67. heh heh

welcome to DU

:toast:

[Cheswick2.0]

69. who gives a s**t?

Seriously, who gives a damn what Rove wants?

[windansea]

72. kkkkkkkkkkkkkick

:kick:

[maxanne]

75. of course he does

Clark got kicked out of the military and his compatriots weren't all that thrilled with him. Bush got Saddam. Bush can beat Clark with both hands wrapped around a Budweiser.

[Walt Starr]

76. Yep, Clark is who the GOP wants

The Dean Machine terrifies them.