What manner of Woman must you be Hillary, to inspire such loathing in those who've never met you.

[SidneyCarton]

The level of vitriol that always seems to accompany the mention of Senator Clinton never ceases to astound me. As an early Obama supporter, I was disappointed with the way she ran her campaign, but personally I have nothing for or against her. In fact I really can't understand the degree of dislike which she seems to engender among people of my acquaintance. Even Mrs. Carton expresses a level of dislike for her that is only comparable to Sarah Palin! Folks, come on, is she really that bad? To hear some talk, one would think that she was hatched! Although she would not be my first pick for Secretary of State, (That would be Bill Richardson, though P-E Obama didn't ask, so my $0.02 is actually worth less than that) I could think of many worse options, as I'm sure many of you could as well.

[jobycom]

1. I remember people wanting to beat Jimmy Carter up if they met him on the street.

Loathing reflects more on the loather than the person loathed, often.

[lady raven]

44. That's just nuts

He's such a kind, gentle man. I don't get people.

[jobycom]

49. I don't get why Clinton inspires loathing in some people, which was my point.

[niceypoo]

61. Some people are just gullible...

And buy into the RW fantasies, latching onto and becoming obsessed with any negative rumor that comes along. Some are overly influenced by TV pundits and their endless obsessive speculations (overly influenced by the media.) Some have mental problems. Others are just plain bigots.

And about 10% have legitimate issues not related to any of the above.

[mkultra]

80. i think if i enumerated my issues with her

it would only cause further hurt feelings for her supporters. Lets just say i like her less than Obama and more than republicans.

[jobycom]

104. Or more likely, they'd be thoroughly debunked.

[mkultra]

115. actually, my issues with her are pretty well confirmed

even hill supporters admit to them, all they can do is marginalize them.

[Maru Kitteh]

130. by you.

[Marrah_G]

2. It's become an obsession for many

Criticism is one thing- but the paranoid delusions some are having that include her are disturbing.

[AtomicKitten]

3. She'd be more palatable if she'd stop lighting herself on fire for attention.

[Kahuna]

8. Thanks you!!! nt

[AtomicKitten]

13. hey

:hi:

[Kahuna]

14. Hey to you too!!

:loveya:

[Maven]

23. No, she'd be more palatable to you if she moved to the basement

and was never heard from or mentioned again.

Please don't pretend to have a rational viewpoint when it comes to Sen. Clinton.

[AtomicKitten]

67. Irony.

I suppose when I supported the Clintons blindly here at DU for my first three years you would consider that viewpoint rational?

Thanks for illuminating the fallacious nature of the Yeah Clinton! No Matter What They Do Or Say mindset. Very glad I opened my eyes to that epic BS.

[Maven]

68. Reaction formation.

Seems like you've gone too far in the opposite direction and are now of the If The Clintons Are Doing It, It's Evil mindset.

Hopefully you reestablish some equilibrium in your views.

[AtomicKitten]

69. seems is the operative word

* refer to my post above

[Metric System]

24. Maybe people like you could stop dousing her with gasoline?

[WildEyedLiberal]

35. She douses HERSELF with gasoline

It is abundantly clear that the Clintons absolutely cannot stand not being the center of attention. I would bet dollars to donuts that loyal Clintonites are the ones who started and are eagerly fanning the SOS rumor.

[Marrah_G]

39. yet another example

[WildEyedLiberal]

45. You expect me to believe that the airtight, leakfree Obama operation all of a sudden is a huge mess?

Please. Isn't it convenient that rumors and innuendos surrounding Obama's camp almost always have to do with Hillary Clinton? So either Hillary loyalists - and some of them hopped over to the Obama campaign after Hillary conceded - are sowing these rumors, which are then eagerly gobbled up by the Clinton-starved MSM, or else Obama's otherwise professional staff, who never let slip any other alleged "inside info", just can't keep their mouths shut when it comes to Hillary.

:eyes: The only delusions here are courtesy of Hillary fans who can't at least admit that the Clinton camp absolutely loves to be the center of media attention and are all too eager to "leak" "inside info" to the press to get that attention.

[sufrommich]

50. Oh please, Emmanuel,Napolitano and Holder were all

leaked without a formal announcement. It was leaked that John Kerry was actively pursuing SOS. There has been many leaks that have nothing to do with Clinton. They're being ignored,of course,because they don't fit in with the "Hillary Clinton as pushy,sneaky bitch" narrative.

[WildEyedLiberal]

52. All of those people were on the "short list", which senior NAMED Obama staffers acknowledged

Hillary Clinton was conspicuously absent from any such "official" list. I just do not buy that she's who he has wanted from the beginning, or we sure as shit would've heard about it before now.

[sufrommich]

56. What "short list"? Do you know something the rest of us don't?

Could you link to the "official" list for SOS? Or any other cabinet post for that matter.Is Obama incapable of saying no? Your utter lack of faith in Obama's ability to run the show is astounding.

[WildEyedLiberal]

64. Uh, it was in every freaking media outlet the day after the election

But go ahead and play dumb and pretend that Hillary was being mentioned all along when you and everyone else knows she wasn't. The lengths to which Hillary fans will go to justify her attention whoredom is stunning.

[sufrommich]

66. The only thing that was in every freaking media outlet was

the freaking media's guesses as to who's on Obama's short list. You said there was an "official" short list.Let's see it. Lame.

[Metric System]

43. So is she being vetted or not? If it's a rumor started on her side, then why would the Obama team be

vetting her?

[WildEyedLiberal]

47. Because now he has to because she forced his hand?

Hillary Clinton was on NO ONE's short list for SOS until about a week ago, and now all of a sudden she's the frontrunner? I'll give her this - I didn't think she'd be out to sabotage Obama's operation THIS soon. The minute some "anonymous staffer" leaked Obama's alleged "consideration" of her for SOS, the media pounced all over it - as anyone would have predicted - so Obama either has to ignore the leaks, and deal with the deluge of Hillary fanatics who will now be furious if she DOESN'T get "due consideration" for the job, and take a PR hit because of his seeming inability to let the speculation go so far afield, or he has to actually go through the motions of vetting her.

It is an elaborate piece of Kabuki theater that smells very strongly of Clinton arm-twisting.

[Metric System]

48. Wow, CDS. How you you know who was on Obama's short-list? Oh and "Hillary fanatics"? Go to hell!

Most of us don't care if she's SOS or not. In actuality, many Hillary supporters prefer her to remain in the Senate.

[WildEyedLiberal]

54. Because Obama's "short list" was essentially made public the day after the election?

Obama staffers acknowledged that certain candidates were being closely considered. Clinton's name never ONCE came up in such discussions - but all of a sudden, "anonymous staffers" drop this bombshell a week ago, and she's the front runner?

I don't care if you like Hillary or not. I do care that people are being willfully blind about what's going on here because they can't admit that the way this has all gone down is the antithesis of the way Obama has run his operation from day one, which means that something else is afoot.

[Metric System]

57. Nope, sorry. The Obama has not discussed who's on their short-list for any cabinet positions. That

is completely false. The media has speculated on who could be on the list, but there has never been anything official.

[mkultra]

81. "The Obama" as you put it

has said nothing of this process and we probably should avoid speculation. If he asks her, it will be his choice. He will not do it if he thinks shes forcing him.

[Metric System]

101. lol, I meant "The Obama camp has..."

[mkultra]

114. heheh

my bad then. I thought it was a bash attack.

[SwampG8r]

105. "the obama"?

second time ive seem it worded that way in a day

both times by one of the Usual Suspects

[mtnsnake]

58. "In actuality, many Hillary supporters prefer her to remain in the Senate"

Count me in as one of those.

If the same kind of pathetic whinery that takes place on DU about Hillary is any indication of what she might be subjected to if she becomes SOS, then she just does not need that kind of agrevation. It's bad enough that the Right Wing put her through the mill during the 90's, but to see assholes from her own Party tear her to shreds over absolutely nothing is simply despicable and shameful. I hope to fuck she refuses the offer. She's got a good life where she is now, and the people on DU are just looking for any excuse to bury her because they're the ones with serious issues, not her.

[sufrommich]

59. I agree. With everything you've said. nt

[Metric System]

63. I completely agree too. At first I was intrigued by the idea of SOS but it's just not worth the

aggravation. All this bashing and the poll Gallup put out shows about 60% of Americans approve of Hillary as SOS (80% Dems and about 57% of Indies).

[Beacool]

108. The RW is pretty OK with her as SOS.

It's now the LW kooks who despise more than the right and are opposed to her as SOS. Since I would prefer that she stays away from his cabinet, I have no problem if she remains in the senate. Ultimately, the decision is up to two people: Hillary and Obama.

:shrug:

[Beacool]

107. You should write fiction.

Did it ever occur to you that Obama has a mind of his own and that maybe only a couple of people may have known that she was on his short list?

As for the "Hillary fanatics" (is that the opposite of the Obama fanatics?), not everyone wants her to be in his cabinet. I don't, I rather she remained independent and continue to have her own power base.

:shrug:

[pokercat999]

71. Dollars to donuts was a good bet years ago...today the donut

may cost more than a buck......not such a good deal unless followed with the always fair....."you pick".

[WildEyedLiberal]

34. bwahahaha

[sufrommich]

40. Except she hasn't done that. nt

[niceypoo]

62. Or if people like you werent so obsessed with...

...fanning the flames

:rofl:

It is those obsessed with her that make her an issue. Just ask any lurking freeper, they have lots of experience with it.

[1corona4u]

87. She's not 'lighting herself of fire for attention'

the media is doing that.

Gawd, WTF people? You all sit and listen to the spin shit all day, and all night. I guess if that's the kind of programming you like, then knock yourselves out. I have YET to hear ONE WORD from Hillary herself on this current topic. It's plain ridiculous to say she is the one causing it.

See, she's perfectly palatable to me, because I DON'T WATCH THE TRITE, CONTRIVED SHIT ON THE TEE VEE. When she speaks, then I'll pay attention.

[AtomicKitten]

100. WTF indeed.

[1Hippiechick]

140. The cartoon that keeps on giving....a cartoon w/in the cartoon...

I just noticed the donkey handing the elephant its ass on a platter.... LOL
:rofl:

edited to change it's to its - it's all about grammar, punctuation, etc., dontcha know?!?

[ddeclue]

138. exactly...

She's all about herself and getting ahead...too much ambition, too self-centered.. too unwilling to concede when she loses (her non concession concession speech totally pissed me off..) I don't trust her to look out for me because she's too busy looking out for herself.

Doug D.

[Generator]

4. Remember when her concession speech was not a concession speech

in the primary? How that pissed so many off? It's what SHE DOES. It's always about her. And now, a diplomatic post-ha ha-she doesn't have the diplomacy to accept or decline the post in a timely manner. Instead, AGAIN Obama is swinging in the wind-hoping and praying she/Bill does the right thing. He always comes out ahead, God Bless him-but he needs to get beyond the Clintons (yeah they are a TEAM and not Obama's team) once and for all.

[Marrah_G]

6. And here is an example

delusions.

[Maven]

27. No, I don't remember that at all.

Oddly enough.

You know what else I don't remember? Sen. Clinton falling to her knees and begging for forgiveness for running in the first place, because she DIDN'T HAVE TO.

[Arkansas Granny]

31. I don't recall hearing anything verified by Obama that the SOS post

has been offered to her. I don't recall hearing anything verified by Clinton that she is trying to make up her mind. That makes the reports that has everyone up in the air about nothing but rumor. All of this seems to be coming from unidentified or anonymous sources. All this bitching and moaning about the Clintons seems to be a little premature to me. Nothing has been announced.

[CakeGrrl]

38. I remember several things about that speech, chief among them, Hillary's own question:

"What does Hillary WANT?"

I've posted that a couple of times on different threads, because I think it's worthy of mention.

That's a statement made by someone whom I think enjoys knowing that she has people guessing.

I won't venture much beyond that, but imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and Obama, with the huge microscope trained on him throughout this campaign, had asked that question of the viewers.

[sufrommich]

42. Her concession speech sounded just like a concession

speech. Do you have some inside information that Hillary's indecision is holding up the process for SOS?.No,you don't and neither does anyone else.

[Beacool]

109. Maybe because it was not a concession speech?

The speech at Baruch college was not about conceding anything, it was a speech for us us her supporters and we who were there liked it.

The media went ape over it? Who gives a damn?????

;-)

[1Hippiechick]

141. "Who gives a damn????? " Obama and the supporters who were trying to pull the party together,

that's who.

I can't believe that we are re-hashing all this BS again. It's the insanity of politics - "I'll smear you and run you into the ground....." and then when the election is over it "Oh, we all say things in the heat of battle that we didn't mean...."

And who loses?!? The American people who TRUST these politicians to base their arguments on TRUTH when it is anything but. And people make decision on for whom to vote based on this BS method of 'campaigning.' D.I.S.G.U.S.T.I.N.G. and the American people need to DEMAND that this BS STOP!

[hlthe2b]

5. What manner of person must her critics be to so loathe a

woman they have never met, whose politics might differ from their own...? THAT is the question... and yes, the analogy to Jimmy Carter is an apt one. The antagonism for this man approaches or exceeds the limits of rationality.

[anigbrowl]

121. Substitute a Republican into that sentence...

...I can think of quite a few who are irrationally hated by DU - by irrational, I mean out of all proportion to their actual influence on policy and without any particular knowledge of their history. There's an inverse proportion between partisanship and rationality.

[Kahuna]

7. There is a difference between not liking her and not trusting her..

Speaking for myself, I like her fine. But I don't trust her. The thing I learned about her during her campaign is that she lies very easily. David Geffen warned about that. I do not believe that Obama needs an emissary who may tell him what she wants him to believe rather than the truth. This job is too important to take that chance. Sorry if you don't like it.

[Marrah_G]

11. See now that is a well thought out reason

I don't agree with you, but you gave a well thought out reason that goes beyond just "knowing she is an evil person who is out to undermine Obama" which is what many posts over the last couple days have boiled down to.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

21. Like her personally, but don't like her positions on policies. I think the DLC has done just as

much damage as the Bush administration in certain respects because they were instrumental in approving much of his agenda. They are DINO's, too corporatist and too hawkish. I don't like Hillary's voting record and I personally believe that she is motivated by her own self-interests, rather than what is best for the country. But as a brilliant, effective and successful woman, I like and respect her. I think many people are ambivalent about her. They like her but dislike her actions or politics. She's a polarizing figure.

[SidneyCarton]

70. Actually I understand and appriciate your response.

Not trusting someone is not the same as irrational hatred. I can understand not fully trusting Hillary in light of the primaries.

[1Hippiechick]

142. How can you 'like' someone you don't trust? How about she is "likeable".... n/t

[QC]

9. I am betting that all the more hopeless cases will show up in this thread

and prove your point.

[ellacott]

10. This SOS drama has been surprising

I have no issue with her getting the position. My first choice was Kerry. I didn't not support Hillary in the primary but I don't hate her. Some people seem to hold in the same contempt as Karl Rove.

She would be a good representative for our country. I can't imagine what she would do on a national stage that would undermine Obama's credibility. People forget that Biden is the VP and has personal relationship with many of these heads of state.

I am disappointed in the reactions by some on this board.

[ErinBerin84]

12. if there's one thing the Hillary Haters and Hillary lovers should be able to agree on is

Mark Penn fucking sucks....what is he up to these days?

[Marrah_G]

15. I agree- I don't like Penn

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. What manner of man must you be, Mark Penn, to inspire such loathing in those who've never met you?

The level of vitriol that always seems to accompany the mention of Mark Penn never ceases to astound me...

If it's OK to hate Mark Penn, why isn't it OK to hate Hillary Clinton for the same reasons?

[ErinBerin84]

53. I didn't say that it wasn't ok.

Just trying to neutralize with a common enemy here :)


Also, see Dick Morris. And Lanny Davis. Among others.

[SidneyCarton]

72. Fair enough.

Having read the Newsweek summation of the entire election, (an excellent series I might add, for those who have the time to read the whole 7 parts.) I don't think I'd like Mr. Penn even if I met him, he seems to be an insufffrable prick. (Then again there are some who would say the same of me, so go figure...)

[Doityourself]

17. Funny thing is,,,

I once didn't care for Hillary and liked Bill, now that has flip-flopped!

[cliffordu]

18. *Cough* Tuzla *cough*

[Gin]

19. lots of angry people projecting their anger toward Hillary.

if she was not on the scene...it would be someone else. IMO

[Kahuna]

Really? What a profound assessment.

:eyes:

[cliffordu]

92. I'm not angry at her. Lying about combat experience is NOT ok.

[uponit7771]

20. That whole RFK thing = not easy to forget for me

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

22. As a black woman, I can assure you that many people, especially black Americans

shuddered when she made that statement.

[Metric System]

26. Ridiculous. Complete media spin. As if she would seriously suggest she was staying in the race in

case something bad happened to Obama. I'm not getting into that argument again but I definitely disagree with those who portrayed the comment that way.

[Marrah_G]

28. dont let yourself get dragged into their delusions.

[Metric System]

Good advice. I've said my view on that topic and I'm moving on. How you view that comment depends on

how you view Hillary. If you believe the worst about her, you'll believe the sinister interpretation.

[atimetocome]

97. yes, good advice. But difficult to see some still pushing the crap.

[CakeGrrl]

60. I take issue when black voters whose radars pinged at the word "assassination"

are dismissed as 'delusional'.

As some are well aware, the Secret Service has its hands full with more people threatening Obama than previous presidents. That is not a figment of delusion.

I'm with those who did not appreciate that dogwhistle during the primary. I was glad that Keith Olbermann called it out.

I anticipate an agree to disagree here, but there was no reason to use that particular word when Hillary put forth a reason to stay in the primaries.

[mkultra]

83. its not acceptable for Palin or Hillary

to raise the specter of assassination regarding a black candidate either directly or implicitly.

[CakeGrrl]

90. True, but I was referring to the context of this specific exchange.

Besides which, I don't recall anyone defending Palin's baiting, or more to the point, anyone writing off others who pointed it out as delusional. Even if it was more overt and recurring, even she never dropped the a-word.

[mkultra]

98. i guess well have to agree to agree

:)

[Beacool]

110. And I take issue with the media and others spinning her words

to ascribe motives to them that were not there. It was clear to anyone with an ounce of brain that she was referring to the time line and had mentioned it several times previously without raising any eyebrows.

Anyone who can think that a former First Lady, sitting US Senator and presidential candidate was somehow hoping that her opponent would be assassinated is beyond the scope of the ridiculous.

:-(

[mkultra]

117. the only missing ounce of brain was in her head

she should, as a potential presidential candidate, have know that raising this issues would be insulting to many people. Whether she mean it as tacit threat is not the point.

[Beacool]

118. It may not have been an artful comment,

but the intent was clear and the media distorted the meaning of her words.

[mkultra]

127. well, i can agree

that i was both artless and then distorted by the media.

[Marrah_G]

113. I agree to disagree here

They took a comment and completely twisted it to mean something nefarious and are continuing to this day saying things insinuating that Hillary would kill him to get his spot. That is the delusional BS.

[Raineyb]

134. The comment you called delusional did not accuse Clinton of killing him to get the spot

And frankly it was bloody creepy the way she mentioned RFK in the context of her remaining in the race. The accusation of being delusional is offensive in the context of the comment to which you were responding.

[1Hippiechick]

143. You got it. n/t

[Kahuna]

79. DUers have never relied on "media spin" to form our opinions.. When

you're here longer you will know that. Until then, you need to chill with the idiotic accusations.

[mkultra]

82. i watched it and i was appalled

Frankly, i think she needs to more carefully measure her words.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

30. You Mean The Obvious Deceitful And Borderline Ridiculous Spin From The Media And Closed Minded?

I found it quite easy to forget.

:eyes:

[Autumn]

25. What manner of People hate a woman they have

probably never met? My Nephew met Hillary during his last tour in Iraq. He adores her and he is a Republican.

[SidneyCarton]

74. Clearly, because he saw her as a person...

It is very easy to hate someone you have never met, even easier someone you've never seen. When you meet a person, they become real to you, you realize they have feelings, emotions, a soul. It becomes harder to hate them.

[Ino]

86. All Repukes adore her. She's one of them. (nt)

[Autumn]

88. Thats where you are fucking wrong,

This is a 24 year old young man who has served TWO tours of duty in Iraq. He considers himself a Republican because his parents are. Hates bush and voted for Obama, You are a ass. Is Obama a Repuke because some republicans voted for him?

[SidneyCarton]

94. broad brush much?

[Beacool]

111. I have said this until I was blue in the face.

They simply don't know her. Hillary is a warm, funny person who is quick to laugh and has a wicked sense of humor. She's all business when she needs to be, but she's also a lot of fun to be around. She remembers her staffers birthdays, she worries about their health and always inquires about their families. She's one of the most compassionate persons I've seen and has helped many people in private, without the media ever finding out. One endearing trait she has is her wish that those around her be happy, so she likes to play matchmaker for them. Even Neel Lattimore used to joke that she would tell him that she was sitting him next to some guy at an event because he was single. Is she perfect? Hell no, but then again who is?

The caricature of her doesn't match the human being. If someone doesn't agree with her politics that is perfectly legitimate, but the loathing that comes through from all sides is quite sickening.

:-(

[1Hippiechick]

144. The same manner of people who love her and have never met her? n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

29. The Answer Is Simple: Some People Are Just Childish And Obsessive And Have Anger Issues.

They're irrational and shouldn't be taken seriously.

[Arkansas Granny]

32. Thank you for that bit of wisdom. Irrationality explains a lot of the reaction we've been seeing

here the last few days.

[Autumn]

89. Certainly such as the IDIOT I replied to above

Some assholes have no fucking class, just hatred.

[1Hippiechick]

145. Love that Shift key, do ya? :)

[CakeGrrl]

33. Wasn't there already a "Why do some of you hate the Clintons so much" thread yesterday?

Just asking.

In the past few days, I've yet to see anyone call Hillary a name, sexist or otherwise. I haven't heard anyone challenge her intelligence. I just see some disagreement over whether she should be SoS.

Where's the vitriol? I have no problem stating that I don't think Hillary is the best choice from my perspective, such that it is.

[Bunny]

36. You must have missed this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7900459

Now this, *this*, is what I call paranoid and delusional.

[Marrah_G]

37. Damn

I am ignoring the author of that thread.

You'll have to cut and paste.

I've found life is alot calmer if I just ignore anyone I want to scream "go fuck yourself" to.

Yes- my list is huge.

I have the patience of a red-headed Scot.

[Bunny]

41. Very well:

In the Afterlife, I'm sure The Clintons will be there to muck things up

"One of the few consolations about death is that you leave the problems of this earth behind.

But I'm beginning to think that if there is an Afterlife, Bill and Hillary will somehow find a way to muck things up there too.

It's like there is no escape. Just when you think it's safe....there they are muddying the waters and stirring up shit.

Okay, I wasn't thrilled when the story floated about Obama thinking of appointing Hillary Secretary of State. But I figured, "Okay. he can make his own choices, and maybe she'll be okay."

Now, though, the Clintons once again overshadow the whole transition process with their Ego Driven dramas. "Will she or won't she?"....."How will Bill factor in?"....

Jeezum.

St. Peter, watch out. The Clintons may want your job someday."

[Marrah_G]

112. totally delusional........

Has this election cycle really created that much paranoia?

[TheKentuckian]

46. I didn't support Clinton in the primary, though I could have

and probably would have if her campaign didn't piss me off. So, I'm not a real hater by any means (though, I've been accused) but I think with some Hillary and Bill get blasted for representing triangulation and bouts of dishonesty to some.

I think people go overboard with the emotions but I see what they are saying but I think they're mostly wrong and the Clintons take the path most likely to work.

Still, I think the Clinton reverence defense force is at least as jacked up as the haters. I swear there are souls on here that exclusively monitor for any negative comment (or indeed any comment that can be construed as such) on the Clintons and to fight back hard to defend their honor.
Of course economic conservatives are trying to hang on to what is, in my opinion the most utterly failed portion of Ray Gun conservatism and the Clintons get rightfully tee'd off on for being global corporate capitalist sympathizers, which I think is just the price of playing ball. Clinton won and governed in close to the only way he could in the atmosphere in was in. Did he sell us down river to the Chinese? Sure. Did he try to balance? I think so.

[burythehatchet]

51. you owe me 2 cents

[SidneyCarton]

75. Put it on my tab.

[Sulawesi]

55. Bottom line for me, we are talking about HRC, when we should not be...

[RobertSeattle]

65. You should check out the Hillary loving Obama Hating types too

It's bizarre.

[SidneyCarton]

76. Yes the irrational hatred on the other side of the coin is equally disgusting.

None of it makes any sense.

[opihimoimoi]

73. Hillary is a victim of Bullies..she is a Target

http://groups.msn.com/NARCISSISTICPERSONALITYDISORDER/thebully.msnw

Bullies need Tagets to dump on

Ya see them everywhere doing it all the time...most offices have them...always complainin always bitching always making trouble...

Incurable....do not engage...humor and run away

[itcfish]

77. She is My Senator

and she is much loved in NY.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

78. That is the most beautiful story I've ever heard

this afternoon.

[TriMetFan]

84. Because she is a women that won't put up

with the bull shit and she is a Democratic. But if you have noticed the only ones that dislike Hillary are Americans. She is liked around the world. Makes you wonder if the media has a lot to do with this hate/dislike of her.

[burythehatchet]

85. Quite simple: No matter the issue, it has to be about the Clintons. Some of us don't like soaps

[Whisp]

91. should I like Bush because I never met him?

I hope you get the gist of this before you go screaming 'You're comparing Hillary to Bush!!!!@#!!!!?"

[SidneyCarton]

93. Fair enough.

I can actually see where you're going here, and no, you should'nt automatically like Bush because you've never met him. But I would assume that you don't hate President Bush without reason, nor that such hatred could be considered irrational by anyone but a Freeper. If you have such strong feelings for Senator Clinton, (and if you do, so be it, it is a free country) I would only hope that you have equally reasonable reasons to dislike her.

[Whisp]

95. I think all my reasons for disliking her are reasonable.

Iraq war
she lies
etc
etc

[SidneyCarton]

96. Ok, nothing irrational there.

You don't seem to be an irrational loather anyways, just someone who honestly dislikes her.

[happychatter]

99. the level of vitriol from devotee's at the least perceived criticism doesn't surprise me at all

[BlooInBloo]

102. I don't think I've met ANY race-baiter. They all inspire the same loathing in me...

There's a whole host of craptacular people I've never met, in fact. What relevance my having met them, or not, has is completely beyond me.

[Renegade08]

103. It's not just Hillary, it's Bill, too.

It's interesting that Clinton hate during the 90s was driven by conservatives, while Clinton hate of the 2000s is driven by liberals. The roles seem to have been reversed. I think part of the current Clinton hate is residual bitterness and anger from the various scandals during the Clinton administration. All the drama during the primaries and now with the SOS story just bring back unwanted memories of Lewinsky, the meaning of is, impeachment, and Ken Starr.

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[Obamarama]

116. Reactions have more to say about the loathers than Clinton....

[shayes51]

129. I agree.

[hughee99]

119. How many people loathe *? How many have actually met him? n/t

[SidneyCarton]

122. By their fruits ye shall know them...

Do Hillary's fruits compare with *'s? If you believe so, than feel free.

[hughee99]

124. I certainly don't

I'm just pointing out that for famous people, (Obama, Hillary, *, Cheney, Michael Moore, Rush Limpballs, etc...), most who have strong feelings for or against them have never met them.

[SidneyCarton]

126. You make an excellent point.

So I agree.

[FloridaGrl]

120. I loathe sarah palin. Thankfully I have never met the woman.

However, I do not loathe Hillary but I am having huge Clinton fatigue.

[noonwitch]

123. People don't know how to deal with powerful women.

It doesn't matter if it's Hillary, Palin, Oprah, or the lunchlady, someone will always hate a woman in authority because he doesn't like women being in authority.

[Life Long Dem]

125. Why don't they stop calling Obama supporters Hillary haters?

[realFedUp]

128. What else would the talking heads at MSBNC have to talk about...

It disappoints me that even a smart, lesbian and
presumably feminist talking head Rachel Maddow
would continue complaining about Senator Clinton,
as if there was nothing else to complain about.

Hey, corporate NBC...you have lots of Bush legacy
to talk about.

[political_Dem]

131. I don't hate Hillary. I dislike her behavior and policies.

We need powerful women. And there are many other great ladies in leadership who are more qualified and have worked their way up from the bottom to get where they are. Show me a great, strong-willed, honorable, hard-working, intelligent lady who is truly fair and honest. I'll support her whole-heartedly.

But we don't need someone who was so openly two-faced that they create an event in order to get what they want. We also do not need someone who has exaggerated on their experience so they could force their way into a position in which someone else was truly qualified for. And lastly, we don't need someone who throws people under the bus when they don't need them all the while latching on to someone else just because they can do something for them. Ultimately, all of these actions are untrustworthy.

That in essence is some of Ms. Clinton's behavior that is loathesome. I also find her hawkish positions rather distasteful as well. Along that line, I question her qualifications as well as her style of management since her own campaign had failed so spectacularly.

If the decision that she should be SOS comes to pass, I will abide by the fact that it was Mr. Obama's choice. But I also have the choice to be vigilant of her actions and question her behavior in office if she begins to embark on policies that I don't support. And I'll also watch to see if she makes any misstep against Mr. Obama of any kind.

[regnaD kciN]

132. To answer your questoin with a variant:

"What manner of woman must you be, Ann Coulter, to inspire such loathing in those who've never met you?"

Although I think some of the negativity toward HRC is way over the top, the very fact that one is disliked by many doesn't necessarily mean you're right and they're wrong, IMHO.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

133. Guess a lot of people here have a lot in common with the freepers.

They must be very proud....

[Critters2]

135. Hillary ran her campaign like a freeper. The thing I most can't get past

was the use of sermons from Obama's church for political purposes. That was beneath low. And it was the Clinton campaign--not McCain's--who did that.

[Orsino]

136. A hawk.

We don't have to meet her to see that--and yes, war really is that bad.

[meow2u3]

137. Hillary, you are a powerful, confident, independent Woman

Because of that, some men--and even some women--cannot stand it when they see a woman who is strong, self-assured, and confident in her own abilities. These people are small, insecure, and weak cowards who are putting on an act of the blustery, bully-boy macho man to hide their feebleness.

You, Hillary Rodham Clinton, have inspired such grand-scale hatred not because of anything you might have said or done; not because of who you are; but, rather, because of who your enemies are: spineless cowards who cannot imagine a woman more powerful than they are. For that, your enemies are compelled, by the forces of their own dark, twisted souls, to call you a bitch, reducing you to the level of a mere canine (as if dogs were a bad thing). My question is, who's really the bitch?

[1Hippiechick]

139. IBTL.

This is interesting. Let Hillary be criticized, and it is the same group of posters who show up to defend her.

[Liberal Progressive]

146. What part of

...lying on an incredible scale to smear fellow Dems and campaigning like Karl Rove am I supposed feel affection for?

I liked her fine until she went batshit insane in her all-consuming, scorched earth campaign for power.

[MoonRiver]

147. The hate only reflects back on the haters, not their victim.