You Guys Do Realize That Clinton Is The Most Respected/Adored Figure In The World, Right?

[maddowfan]

Even more than Obama, right now, when it comes to foreign relations.

Having her as SoS, means that the job is going to get done. People listen to the Clintons. Hillary is adored. They listen to her.

I'm surprised to come back to DU and find anyone upset about this. This was a brilliant decision. He couldn't have chosen anyone better!

[alwysdrunk]

1. How do you figure that?

In the world? Bill maybe. Hillary, I don't know about that. It's probably Obama now.

[maddowfan]

2. No, It's Hillary. Bill Made The Clinton Name Respected, But Hillary Is Extremely Respected, More

than Bill.

Obama brought the message, but hasn't instituted policies yet. Clinton is known.

[dbmk]

131. You are still way off.

She probably is very respected. But by far she is not the _most_ respected. She made a fool of herself repeatedly during the primaries. Add the fact that she is still married to a guy that admitted to have a plumbing job done in the White House. That leaves some ground to be made up.

Biden, for being on Obamas ticket alone and adding his foreign policy abilities, has her beaten hands down there.
And as far as adoration goes, I think Obama might well hold a new world record.

Take that as you will, from one of us world people. We liked Bill - but he did leave a funny taste to the Clinton name.

[Sex Pistol]

194. I read somewhere not long ago that the Dalai Lama was.

[jenmito]

3. I doubt Hillary is the most respected/adored figure in the world. I doubt if Hillary won the

presidency, people all over the world (and here) would've celebrated like they did Nov. 4th. I also doubt she could get over 200,000 people in Germany watch her give a speech. Obama seems to hold that title now.

[onehandle]

6. I don't think she is either, but a dead dog winning against McBush would have inspired celebration.

Just as long as Bush is out in January.

[LaydeeBug]

62. I don't doubt it for a second. nt

[jenmito]

So you really think she's more "adored" around the world than Obama? Did you

SEE any of the coverage the night he got elected? How 'bout the crowd he drew in Berlin?

[mkultra]

145. you should

Your instincts are not calibrated with reality


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/13/obama-the-preferred-candi_n_106887.html

[Number23]

107. I completely agree

I doubt if Hillary won the presidency, people all over the world (and here) would've celebrated like they did Nov. 4th.

You are absolutely right. People in other countries may love Bill, but because Hillary's political experience has been more regionalized (a Senator and not an international player) most folks really don't know or care that much about her. And I say this as someone who has lived and worked outside of the U.S. for several years.

In fact, here in Australia most folks in the media and on the streets really don't see what the big deal is about her. They may one day, but right now lots of :shrug: seems to be the general reaction whenever her name is brought up.

[democrattotheend]

4. I don't think she's more popular than Obama around the world

Come on, Obama's a global phenomenon! But Hillary is very popular around the world and I think this is a good decision...I was skeptical at first but I think he made the right choice.

[Occam Bandage]

5. [citation needed]

[atimetocome]

51. HERE---the world is waiting for Hillary

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/01/a-world-awaits-the-return-of-a-familiar-face /



A World Awaits the Return of a Familiar Face
By Gerry Mullany

Update | 1:41 p.m. Reaction to Hillary Rodham Clinton’s selection as Secretary of State is already starting to drift in, with some seeing her return to the global stage through the prism of the Clinton presidency and predicting a more multilateral American approach to global affairs.
The New Team

From Berlin, The Times’s reporter Nick Kulish reports that until the Obama candidacy gained sudden steam after his Iowa victory, Senator Clinton had found early popular support among Germans in her presidential bid. That resulted partly from that nation’s desire to return to the years of good relations during her husband’s administration, and was also due to her own profile there.

“From an international perspective, it’s a good decision,” said Andreas Etges, a professor at the John F. Kennedy Institute for North American Studies at the Free University of Berlin. “There may not be agreement on all policy matters, but with Obama and Hillary Clinton you can at least guarantee a better atmosphere.”

In fact, one of Mrs. Clinton’s least successful moments during the Clinton White House years earned her considerable support here in Europe: Her failed attempt to push national health care. Many Europeans consider the lack of universal health coverage in America scandalous and remember her for trying to do something about it.......

[Larry in KC]

165. Do you really think that equates to most respected/adored in the world?

Reads more like tepid approval to me.

[atimetocome]

178. whatever. It is good for Obama and us that we have approval.

[JVS]

53. BWAHAHAHAHA!

[Ichingcarpenter]

57. It was in John Lennon's secret diary

[FrenchieCat]

7. Back up your statements with a link or something to support it

and then we will talk.

[LaydeeBug]

63. The proof's in the pudding, my dear. Obama ASKED *HER* to take on the job.

If that isn't testimony, nothing will work for you anyway.

[FrenchieCat]

72. It is not testimony that she is the most loved figure in the world.....

not even close.

Certainly she is very well regarded, but I find the OP a bit over the top without backup...something you forgot to provide as well!

[slay]

73. Yeah funny how some Hillary supporters don't actually use what is.. oh yeah FACTS

to back up their statements. I've seen this quite often with the "Hillary is God - bow down and worship her NOW" type people. Not that all Hillary supporters are like that, but the ones that are - wow are they vocal about it.

Also - the making statements without the use of facts, kinda borrowing from the GOP playbook there... ahem. :eyes:

[LaydeeBug]

82. FACT: Barack Obama asked HILLARY to be his SoS at a critical moment.

you need to get over that.

[slay]

85. I never took issue with Obama making Hillary his SOS so please do NOT speak for me

You are incapable of doing so. I was talking about how the OP was making a statement that is just not true - that is had you bothered to read it rather than just blindly stickin up for your girl Hillary. Do you see the OP maddowfan coming to the defense of this thread other than that one reply early on? NO. Because you've been had - surprise it's flamebait! So.. just.. you get over that! Ahem. :P :rofl:

All that "I love Hillary she's the coooolest" stuff don't work on me anyways. :eyes:

[LaydeeBug]

89. you should practice what YOU preach and NOT try to speak for me.

But then again, you are having to lick those wounds of hypocrisy yourself. :rofl:

[Name removed]

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[LaydeeBug]

172. read the rules much? For someone taking my post count to task, it doesn't seem so. But I am

not surprised.

[slay]

92. misplaced-dupe

[spiritual_gunfighter]

127. Anyone arguing that Hillary is more popular in the world than Obama is delusional

Not to mention I have yet to see any of this supposed foreign policy experience she supposedly has. Obama said himself that she traveled around the world having tea with world leaders. Hardly foreign policy cred.

[treestar]

154. It can go pretty far, though

I read one of Jimmy Carter's books and was impressed by the fact he and the various leaders meet many times and knew each other.

Makes it less likely one will want to bomb another's country when one feels one knows and likes its prominent citizens.

Having those individuals back instead of the in your face neocons should do a lot of good.

[LaydeeBug]

174. Of course, I wasn't arguing that, but nice strawman. nt

[mkultra]

140. FACT: Obama is more popular in the world than Hillary

_Hillary Rodham Clinton, who lost the Democratic nomination to Obama, generally was rated higher than McCain overseas but lower than Obama.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/13/obama-the-preferred-candi_n_106887.html

[LaydeeBug]

177. FACT: A DEMOCRATIC primary in ONE COUNTRY does NOT a more popular person make, esp considering

caucuses, but you already knew that. :hi:

[mkultra]

192. FACT: my link quoted a WORLD poll genius.

not the democratic party. read a book.

[LaydeeBug]

80. Again...one does not need to look far to see Hillary's regard.

One man's "well regarded" could EASILY be another's "most respected". After all, it is for Barack Obama, and **HIS** regard for Hillary. Sorry if that isn't enough for you. :shrug:

It is for him. :hi:

[slay]

87. And AGAIN you put words in my mouth that I never said

I'll say it again, and slowly for you this time - I.. had.. no.. problem.. with.. Hillary.. as.. SOS!!!!! So yay!!!! I was making a point about the OP and over the top Hillary supporters who ignore facts in favor of.. I don't really know what it is that makes you Hillary lovers so infatuated by her but that's beside the point. If you won't take the time to read and actually comprehend what I am saying, I'd ask that you please refrain from commenting on my posts. I will gladly do you the same favor. Thank you. Whew. :eyes:

[LaydeeBug]

91. you asked for proof, and I gave it. NO ONE put words in your mouth.

:eyes:

*I'll* say it again...slowly...so you can understand. You. asked. for proof. Obama's regard for her *IS* proof.

Why the need to jump the gun? :shrug:

But I am still not surprised. :eyes:

[slay]

94. How does that prove that she's " Most Respected/Adored Person in the World" - oh yeah IT DOESN'T!

Because that's what my post was all about! So please - leave me alone as your arguments contain no logic and you STILL refuse to listen to what I said in my previous post. I have added you to my ignore list. EOM.

[LaydeeBug]

170. Again...one does not need to look far to see Hillary's regard.

And since there is ABSOLUTELY no way to prove ANYONE to be the "most respected person in the world", *YOU* can't PROVE that she ISN'T. Again, one man's "most respected person" is another's "most reviled".

You'll need to get over it though. :hi:

[mkultra]

163. maybe you are mentally challenged

They want proof of the claim made in the OP that you happen to agree with. You have none, meaning that your full of shit.

Ill say it again slowly so you can understand Full... of....shit.

[LaydeeBug]

175. Well, I'm smart enough to know the difference between "you're" and "your", which is more than I can

say about you. :hi:

So I'll say it slowly...Obama. asked. Hillary. You need to get over that. The OP was not about her being the most popular person in the world. You need to get over that too. Also, since there is no way to prove that she is, (there are no defined and universally accepted parameters for such a moniker) YOU, who can't even distinguish 'your' and 'you're', can't prove that she ISN'T either. And while we're at it, you do try to read for COMPREHENSION, right? So you *might* want to consider that "when it comes to foreign relations" part. But of COURSE you didn't do that, now did you? :rofl: And if YOU think Obama has foreign policy experience, you *might* be pretty dumb.

So. full. of. shit.

[mkultra]

191. you would get a gold star if you where in special ed.

heres the line from the OP

You Guys Do Realize That Clinton Is The Most Respected/Adored Figure In The World, Right?


Thats right! not conditional. This has been measured and it is wrong in every respect. The various world polls that are done demonstrate that not only is she no where near being the most adored person in the world, but among the candidates, she was behind even John McCain. She had the highest negative numbers of all candidates from both parties this cycle and shes also NOT her husband.

If you role in the "foreign relations" fragment, then it becomes unprovable as no poll measures this. Essentially, she has almost no foreign relations experience and when asked to demonstrate this experience, she failed.

So no on all accounts expect for the one where your a moron. On that one, we get a resounding yes.

[me b zola]

139. The truth is that she now works for PE Obama

...and will carry out his missions, my dear. You know, the guy that had the entire world celebrating--that one.

[LaydeeBug]

176. exactly. Since they shared a ninety five per cent voting record together, it is time for everyone

to realize there was never much difference between them anyway.

but some Clinton haters just won't cease.

[Rebubula]

150. Hmmm

Building bridges and doing what is good for our country does not equal 'The world's respect and admiration'

Just means that President Obama is very smart and shrewd.

Hillary will be a great SOS, but President Obama is the Rock Star here.

[LaydeeBug]

181. Rock stars and 'most popular person WHEN IT COMES TO FOREIGN RELATIONS" are not mutually exclusive.

nt

[grace0418]

151. Your argument makes no logical sense. Obama could ask Hillary to marry him but that wouldn't

prove she is the most respected/adored person in the world. There are over 6 billion people on this planet. As wonderful as Barack Obama is, and as much as I trust his opinion because he earned my trust, he is only one of those 6+ billion people- not even close to a majority. If the OP is going to make statements like "Clinton Is The Most Respected/Adored Figure In The World" then the OP should back them up with actual statistics like "newspapers in each country were ask to rate which public figure they most respected and here are the results...". Otherwise it's just opinion.

Now, if the OP had instead said "I think Hillary Clinton is possibly one of the most respected/adored public figures in the world and therefore will make a great SOS..." then that would be a different story. People may *disagree* with the opinion, but the OP would have every right to hold that opinion. Opinions (which usually contain phrases like "I think..." or "Perhaps..." or "As far as I'm concerned...") do not necessarily require statistics. Blanket statements told as absolute truths (such as "Clinton Is The Most Respected/Adored Figure In The World" or "Global warming doesn't exist") require actual proof if you don't want people calling you out. And by proof, I mean something a little more scientific than "Well Barack Obama hired her so she MUST be the most respected/adored figure in the world."

[LaydeeBug]

180. Did YOU see that part that says, "WHEN IT COMES TO FOREIGN RELATIONS"? Apparently not, but I did.

wow. just wow. And, no, I do not have to PROVE anything to you. Obama's asking her to take the most important job in his administration proves plenty.

[grace0418]

185. I did see that part, but it doesn't matter. The OP stated something as fact rather than opinion

and should provide proof if he or she doesn't want to be called out. I never asked *you* to provide proof, I just said your argument was illogical. It still is. Obama's selection of Hillary Clinton proves that he trusts her for the position. It does not prove the OP's original assertion.

That's like saying "Barack Obama drinks Diet Coke with Lime. Therefore Diet Coke with Lime must be the most popular soft drink in the world. You want proof? Well, Barack Obama drinks it so that proves plenty." That's circular reasoning and completely illogical.

Actual proof would be "Diet Coke with Lime is the top-selling soft drink in the world based on these sales reports..." Unless people want to argue the validity of the sales figures, they cannot take issue with a statement like this because it's stating fact.

Opinion would be "I think Diet Coke with Lime is the best soft drink in the world. Apparently, Barack Obama agrees with me because he drinks it as well." Here, people may disagree that Diet Coke with Lime is the best soft drink in the world, but since it was stated as opinion, the person making the comment is perfectly free to do so.

[LaydeeBug]

188. again, one's opinion *IS* their reality. The argument is about trifles.

and triflin'. Show me the parameters for "the most popular person in the world, when it comes to foreign policy". Where's the formula? Since you can't show it, there is no way of proving this EITHER WAY.

Which is why this is triflin'.

[grace0418]

190. I prefer facts to opinion to form my reality. I have my opinions, for sure, and sometimes

I have them without good reason. But I'd never state them as absolute truth. That's how you get people like Sarah Palin claiming dinosaurs and humans lived together and that she can keep an eye on Putin from her house.

[Mark E. Smith]

8. You're preaching to the Hillary Hater Choir.

They can't help themselves.

Ever met a dog that when you scratched him on the
head, it's left back leg would start twitching?

Sort of like these guys.

[atimetocome]

9. She is very respected around the globe. This is good for the US

[Bad Thoughts]

10. Great for Ceremonies

As much as I think Clinton will do well at State, somehow the notion that she is respected by foreign leaders would make her a good pick seems trite. Many dignitaries are already looking forward to a new era with Obama's election, so we don't need to turn the page anymore. (A quick look at reaction on Die Welt shows that Germans see this more in terms of unifying political capital, having less of a direct impact on Obama's approach to foreign policy. The only foreign policy position being brought up is her support for the Iraq War.)It seems that our challenges are not so much with the allies that Bush abandoned, but with the the foes that have been pushed to the edge as well as dealing with non-state and transnational actors. Someone with more direct diplomatic experience would have been a more qualified (though not the only) pick. Could Clinton negotiate with Korea as Richardson did? Time will tell.

[insanity]

11. I don't think you are grounded in reality

Sure, people love the Clinton name, but more popular than Obama? Prove it.

[Sebastian Doyle]

12. Most respected and adored figure in the world?

After 8 years of carrying water for the Bush/PNAC foreign policy that caused 95% of the planet to hate us?
After the Iraq war vote, Kyl-LIEberman, and "Obliterate Iran"? After "dodging sniper fire in Bosnia"?

You really think she's all that adored? :wtf:

[kimmerspixelated]

21. Tend to agree with that.

I think the world adores Obama much more than HRC, but the world just wanted to be done with Bush so bad, they would've been receptive to the neighbor's dog!

[paulk]

102. you need to get out of mom and dad's basement, kid

travel the world a little

get some perspective

[Qibing Zero]

110. And it's that perspective which shows us how wrong hawkish foreign policy is

I'm sure you'll counter with a personal attack on how naive I am, and all that mess.

[paulk]

117. I don't see HRC as "hawkish"

especially compared to the outgoing administration.

the whole "hawkish" argument is based on a perception so skewed to one extreme as to be meaningless...

[Forkboy]

120. People within the Pentagon do (to a point), and see it as a good thing.

Obama's expected retention of Robert M. Gates as defense secretary, and expected appointments of Senator Hillary Clinton of New York as secretary of state and retired Marine General James L. Jones as national security adviser, have been greeted with relief at the Pentagon.

Clinton is respected at the Pentagon and is considered a defense moderate, at times bordering on hawkish.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/12/01/mullen_very_positive_after_first_meeting_with_obama/

While she's not as hawkish as the outgoing Admin by any stretch, that's a tough measuring bar to top. :)

How you been doing?

[paulk]

123. I am fine, thank you

personally, I think Obama has chosen a foreign policy team that closely follows his own philosophy. Some might call that hawkish - "hawkish", to me, is invading a foreign country for no reason, like Bush did with Iraq. A hawk is someone looking to go to war - and I don't think that fits either Clinton or Obama.

I realize that a lot of people found Clinton's remarks on Iran "hawkish" and that accounts for a lot of the dislike of her when it comes to foreign policy - however - what she said is no more than our policy since the end of WW2 - perhaps expressed more strongly - and certainly done for political effect during a political campaign - but - when dealing with a country controlled by religious fanatics I'm not sure that plainly stating what would happen under certain circumstances is such a bad thing.

[Moochy]

136. perception skewed?

Project much neo*?

[paulk]

141. another of DU's "kids"

it's that one line wonder, "Moochy"...

have you ever actually tried to make an intelligent, informed argument on this board?

[Moochy]

166. Have you ever succeeded in that goal?

"have you ever actually tried to make an intelligent, informed argument on this board?"

I would judge your efforts wanting. Go forth and improve your talking points.

[paulk]

118. delete

double post

[Sebastian Doyle]

119. You need to stop calling me a kid

I've got more perspective than you'll ever get in Al From's basement.

[paulk]

121. then grow up some

stop repeating the same tired old leftist bullshit

do some thinking of your own

seriously - get out in the world

travel to some of those places where "95% of the world hates us".

you'll find out it isn't true

you'll find out that the Clintons are liked and respected for what the USA has been and could be again

instead of your kneejerk trashing of Hillary Clinton

try to understand why Obama chose her as his SOS...

[Name removed]

122. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Moochy]

137. "Leftist bullshit"

Yeah how dare anyone espouse leftist ideas around here.

fucking ay.

[paulk]

143. the poster can espouse whatever he or she wants

and I can call it bullshit

try to be relevent to the discussion

[mkultra]

142. your still ignoring the overall false assertion that she is more popular in the world than Obama

Which is the OP

[paulk]

148. I addressed that downthread in an earlier post

I don't know if she is more adored, though she is certainly more well known, especially when you throw her husband into the mix. By "well known" I mean that people know more about her and Bill, since they've been on the world stage for 16 years now. They can look at the Clinton administration, which is viewed positively by most countries, and arrive at some conclusion about what the Clintons are about. Obama has been on that stage for only a year or so, with no record yet of actual governance.

How could one even measure who is more "adored"?

[mkultra]

149. You measure it with a poll

Being well known is relatively meaningless compared to the gravitas of world wide affection. You measure it with a poll and several have been done. I think that the world knows Bill very well but only knows of Hillary as of recently. I think many people make the mistake of comparing Obama to Bill and using the results to raise Hillary. It doesn't compute for many people.

[Muttocracy]

109. K-L and sniper fire jumped to my mind too. nt

[sufrommich]

13. This whole OP seems a little too over the top.

"The Most Respected/Adored Figure In The World"? I doubt any politician would make the top ten.

[alwysdrunk]

20. Obama would though

I mean, over the last say, 30 years how many people could have claimed that title. I say only musicians like Michael Jackson or John Lennon. I can't really think of anyone else other than Obama?



Princess Diana
Michael Jackson
John Lennon
Elvis?


Obama would be the first politician that I could think could be that figure.

[sufrommich]

33. Obama hasn't been around long enough to be considered

"beloved".Cool, and a refreshing change from an America that most of the world had given up on,yes. Unfortunately for politicians,they are forced to govern and can't please all the people all the time.Entertainers are on the top of your list because they are relatively free of accountability.Diana is beloved because she died a horrible death at a young age and was a princess.

[nomaco-10]

69. You're CONTEMPT of Obama has been noted by many on a daily ...

basis. You really need a new routine. This one is getting really old.

[martymar64]

168. How about the Dalai Lama or Mother Theresa?

Does the world love Hillary more than them?
I think not.

[Starry Messenger]

14. I just love link-free vanity posts.

They are awesome!!!!!

[camera obscura]

15. maddowfan for Secretary of Hyperbole!

[apocalypsehow]

16. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Yours is a singular wit, to coin a phrase.

[cosmik debris]

17. I've never heard anyone praise her diplomatic skills

I know she has experience in foreign policy, but she has never been an excellent diplomat. And there is a big difference.

[Deja Q]

50. Maybe she knows good diplomats?

Her experience is hardly a bad thing...

[endarkenment]

18. no I don't realize that.

perhaps you ought to substantiate that assertion with one or two verifiable facts.

[RC]

54. Verifiable facts? On DU?

From a Hillary lover? What else ya want for Christmas?

[RiverStone]

19. err...not quite

First all, I believe Pres Elect Obama made the right choice for a variety of reasons, including bringing the party under one unified roof.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7942661

But as far as the most respected/adored figure in the world???

Given that there are vast numbers of populations that co-exist on this planet who are not Americans, I prefer to hope that folks such as the Dalai Lama, or Nelson Mandela, who offer a universal symbol of hope and peace are of greater stature in the admiration dept.

Not that it really matters, but it is too easy to believe Americans have a lock on popularity. And I say that being thrilled Barack Obama is our next president!!!

[Vinnie From Indy]

22. I am almost as sick of the Hillary is God-like crowd

as I am the Hillary is Satan in a dress crowd.

Hillary is as Hillary does. I won't pre-judge her performance as SOS.

[alwysdrunk]

30. Goddess. Goddess of Peace

She will get love though. There is a lot of Clinton love still out there.

[martymar64]

169. That Goddess O' Peace line always cracks me up.

The Goddess O' Peace (GOP) that votes to invade and occupy Iraq, that threatens to obliterate Iran, that voted in favor of keeping and using cluster bombs.

Stop, that's so funny, I'm in danger of peeing myself!

[sufrommich]

34. I would guess that was the point of the OP. A little too

exaggerated to be realistic.

[ecstatic]

23. Maybe we should test that out. See how many Germans would show up

to a rally he went to. :) :hide:

[cali]

24. uh, sorry to break this to you, hon, but Clinton's popularity isn't

even close to what Obama's is. Grab a freakin' clue. this is NOT 1997.

[quickesst]

25. Welcome back to DU.....

....where Christopher Hitchens seems to have taken possession of a significant part of the membership. Just listened to his drivel on Hardball, and saw no difference in his inane crap and what I read here. Governed by hateful emotion with logic thrown to the wayside. It's the Hillary fever. No cure in sight. Thanks.
quickesst

[BeyondGeography]

26. Not again

[me b zola]

27. Flamebait

Your OP is pure bullshit and seems to be written with the intention of disruption.

[slay]

74. Agreed

n/t

[harun]

88. I would tag this flamebait.

[Ian David]

28. Did you forget the sarcasm tag?

Last time I checked, it was Muhamed Ali, not Hillary.

[Splinter Cell]

29. ???

Where do you folks get this stuff?

[Grateful for Hope]

31. Given the way the world rejoiced

when Obama was elected, I would need to see some evidence that the OP is true. I am sure there is none.

[Ichingcarpenter]

32. She's even bigger than Jesus and the Beatles!

Even John Lennon said this!

[DevonRex]

189. Uh oh. Somebody's gonna need forgiveness by that Pope guy.

[redstate_democrat]

35. I thought must of the world preferred Obama over Hillary for president?

[Uzybone]

36. I disagree....its Obama right now

The Clintons are a distant second. Nothing wrong with that.

[beachmom]

37. We are talking BILL Clinton. Hillary is respected but not to that degree.

And frankly, if the world likes what Obama does, he will surpass Bill in popularity.

[hileeopnyn8d]

38. Hmmm

In this recent survey, it appears that the Dalai Lama already has that ranking. Followed closely by Chancellor Angela Merkel. That was just Europe & the US though, and didn't include Obama.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/27/europe/poll.php

I don't think there's any remotely accurate way to conclude someone is the "most respected/adored" person in the world.

I think she'll do a fine job, and I can state that without sounding like a fanboy. Try it sometime.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

39. To be fair, I don't think Clinton qualifies for that poll.

[hileeopnyn8d]

44. I know, I know

Right, and neither did Obama. It's just about the only thing that comes up when you google "most respected person", aside from Nelson Mandela.

It also doesn't come close being a poll of the "whole world", which I also pointed out. Like I said, I don't think there is any way to accurately measure the "most adored/respected person in the world". I didn't even state my opinion on whether or not I thought it would/could be Clinton.

There's also a difference between what the global population thinks, and what global leaders think.

[blm]

40. Tony Blair listened to Clinton and Clinton BACKED BUSH and defended his decisions PUBLICLY

and VIGOROUSLY, even against the criticisms from our 2004 nominee.

You think world leaders are unaware that Bill supported Bush up until Joe Lieberman lost his senate primary race and right before Hillary started her presidential primary race?

They may LOVE Bill's 'style' better, but they are not as stupid as most Americans who believe the Bushes and Clintons are rivals with opposing foreign policy goals.

[Alexander]

41. You do realize that Obama is the only Democrat since Carter to win a majority, right?

Thus, he's even more popular than the Clintons.

[AJH032]

96. The OP is talking about the rest of the world

not the amount of domestic votes each candidate received.

[Ichingcarpenter]

97. The OP has never lived outside of his Mom's basement and

knows nothing of the rest of the World except in Final fantasy or WOW.

[Forkboy]

98. Don't be knocking Final Fantasy.

:P

[Ichingcarpenter]

100. Final Fantasy 08 Crisis Core!

[Moochy]

138. Basement Dwellers Rise Up!

[ErinBerin84]

42. are we talking about Bill or Hillary?

This is a silly thread.

[movonne]

43. You are pulling our leg are you not??? I think if she was that popular

she would have won the primiary...

[Whisp]

45. good fucking lord give it up already.

:rofl:

[slay]

71. No kidding. Some people are so over the top with their Hillary worship you'ld think she was

the female Jesus. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[peace13]

46. They love her in Bosnia!!! n/t

[ProSense]

47. Loved here:

Iran files protest at UN over Hillary Clinton's 'obliterate' comment

[Muttocracy]

112. details...details...nt

[Erin Elizabeth]

48. Hyperbole is the BEST THING EVER!!!

I was for sure this post was going to be satire when I read the title. Give me a break. Get your nose out of her ass before you break it off.

[Forkboy]

49. Wish I had brought the marshmellows for the flamebait.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

59. Here...

ya go:

[TK421]

67. I have the ingredients for Smores if you and Forkboy want to come over

now I'm getting hungry :9

[Forkboy]

76. I am so on my way!!!

:D

[AspenRose]

132. Mmmm....s'mores

All we are saying...is give s'mores a chance




:rofl:

[Zuiderelle]

52. Take it from me, someday you'll regret naming yourself Maddowfan.

From someone who named herself after the first female speaker of the house two years ago. Invariably, some idiot will have an argument with you and finally say "well, coming from someone who's a fan of Maddow" blah, blah, blah.

Many at DU have a thing against strong, intelligent, successful women...

It's hard to ignore half the site but it seems necessary at this point.

[me b zola]

101. Your post was even more inane than the OP

:crazy:

[sniffa]

182. *snort*

:rofl:

[mitchum]

55. That's just...crazy talk

[and-justice-for-all]

56. Oh please....nt

[QueenOfCalifornia]

58. This smells

familiar.... Like PUMA.

116 posts - yep, that's about right.

Question:

Are you fucking serious?

The MOST ADORED????

:eyes:

[nomaco-10]

61. Every one of these posts get a t least 5 recs standard. n/t

[QueenOfCalifornia]

66. It's the

sock puppet problem and the deluded people who have the fever....

[nomaco-10]

60. Another du poster's revision of history....

sad really.

[Mass]

64. Recommended because it is worth sending to the greatest page.

Not the greatest post, but the greatest hyperbole I have seen on DU in a while.

Good job! Great caricature of some posts on DU.

:evilgrin:

[TK421]

65. When did you leave DU? I didn't even know you were here

[Clio the Leo]

68. I know, lets have them stand in a park in Berlin ...

.... and see who draws a bigger crowd.

Here's a couple of pics of Our President there...




I'll wait while you get Hillary's. :)

(and it should be noted, I ADORE the woman but .......no, no way)

[Faygo Kid]

70. What about Santa? Can you imagine Santa as Sec of State? Talk about respected/adored!

[Sebastian Doyle]

79. Santa's much more experienced in foreign policy too!

He knows exactly how to deal with all the world leaders, whether naughty or nice.

And he also knows how to deal with Devil-worshiping woodland critters!

[Faygo Kid]

173. Exactly. Plus, he can see Russia from the North Pole!

How much more experienced can you get than that?



(pic: Sarah field dresses Prancer)

[L0oniX]

75. They've actually started up a Church of Clinton where you can go to worship them.

[nomaco-10]

77. Another Lame Flame Out. Can't you guys do any...

better than this sputtering kind of nondescript end to your long tenure at du?

I imagine you all putting your heads together at the capital hill forum and planning this down to the very last syllable. I really am disappointed in you guys.

[robertpaulsen]

78. You must be drinking Kool-Aid, Jim Jones is the most respected person in Obama's cabinet.

Just kidding. I just wanted to put the words "Jim Jones" and "Kool-Aid" in the same sentence.

[Sunnyshine]

124. J J...

:spray:

[Lucky 13]

81. Another bizarre delusion.

[Zombie2]

83. Hezuse Crist...

Let's not go overboard or anything.

[AZBlue]

84. Yeah, I'm going to need a link or a quote or any shred of reality to back that up...

[tonycinla]

86. OK

The right wing seems to be happy with the decision!

[Hepburn]

90. Doubt it.

If she were that, IMO, she would have won the primary, won the election and would now be awaiting her swearing in as 44.

[anigbrowl]

93. Don't be ridiculous

I think she'll do a fairly good job, but 'most respected/adored figure'? Absurd.

[H2O Man]

99. no

[gkhouston]

103. I think you've been living in that snowy a little too long.

Even your avatar looks like it needs some fresh air.

[Raster]

104. Now listen to me carefully: PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE....

[paulk]

105. certainly respected

and, with Bill, more widely recognized than Obama, who is still something of a cipher to the rest of the world

that's probably the main reason Obama chose her - it gives his administration instant credibility on the world stage vis a vis foreign policy

----


though I know this will come as a big surprise to our single syllable know it alls around here

[bridgit]

106. Your "Even more than Obama, right now" component has no practical application here, it's true enough

however, that HRC visited much of the world in her capacity as 1st Lady. True as well, much of the world considers the Clinton admin as one that fostered calm instead of confrontation. Heard on KO this evening, from Rich Wolf, that even where leaderships have changed sometimes many times over since the Clinton years; many capitals of the world still seek stabilizing forces. And that as SoS Clinton will be in a position to offer not only the stabilizing force she will deliver via Barack Obama...but her own persona easily recognized *by* the nations of the world,

I look forward to dropping the contentious, un-American unfamiliarity of the Bush family into the dust bin of history.

[PBS Poll-435]

108. This thread is EPIC

And when you have the time...

http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

[TankLV]

111. Yep - can't argue with the TRUTH!

And I see the fucking Hillary Haters have turned up en mass!

HA HA!

Get Over It!!!

God bless Hillary...she's a GREAT woman and STATESPERSON!

[Forkboy]

115. Only there's no evidence it's the truth.

Don't let that get in the way of your chubby though.

[mkultra]

144. sorry, your truth is false, heres a fact

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/13/obama-the-preferred-candi_n_106887.html

[dionysus]

155. tank, you really think the clintons are the most beloved people in the world?

:rofl:

[Alexander]

157. His name explains it all. He's in the tank for the Clintons.

[McCamy Taylor]

113. I think that they both are. Obama is Jesus. Hillary is theVirgin Mary. Unity was inevitable.

[dkf]

114. I hope you realize Rachel Maddow would strongly disagree with you on this.

She was so sure Hillary was going to sabotage Obama's convention that she could have gone every day with a "talk me down" over Hillary.

I think you need to change your moniker.

[IndianaGreen]

116. Don't believe in your own press clippings

Palestinians are wary of anyone that hugged Ariel Sharon, the butcher of Sabra and Chatila, and called him a great man. Hillary did!

[mwei924]

125. Hillary may be more respected because she's been around longer...

..but she is not more adored. Obama is the international rock star.

[CreekDog]

126. i don't agree with that

though i think she is a good choice.

[elleng]

128. Silly

.

[vanderBeth]

129. You jest.

[dbmk]

130. Are you kidding me?

As a European I see NO truth in that statement.

Hillary made a joke of herself during the primaries with her Tuzla debacle.

Respect still needs to be gained. But for winning alone, Obama has the adoration of the world.

[Orsino]

133. Wrong Clinton...

...though you have a point. Senator/Secretary Clinton will wield some of the moral authority the world has conferred (however wrongly) on President Clinton. People abroad, by and large, love her.

Obama is the world's appointed savior now, though--not because of nostalgia, but because of hope for the future, and the open wounds inflicted by Bush/Cheney rule.

[mkultra]

134. Is that from the survey of Pulling things out of yoru ass.

Because they are dancing in the streets right now on news of her appointment but for Obama, not so much, right?

[Metric System]

153. Oh, I see you're done role-playing. Fun, wasn't it?

[dionysus]

156. c'mon, all due respect to hillary but you really agree with that OP?

[mkultra]

159. he doesnt, hes just dogging me because i get under his skin.

[Metric System]

164. Where did I say I agreed with the OP?

[mkultra]

167. do you always answer a question with another question?

[mkultra]

158. it was a blast actually, thanks!

[Leo The Cleo]

135. I doubt it

I sincerely doubt that Hillary Clinton is the most respected and adored figure in the world. Just because it is said, doesn't mean it's true. I don't care if we are speaking foreign relations or not.

[CakeGrrl]

146. Talk about needing a talking-down...

:rofl:

Show me the stats.

[dionysus]

147. bwahaha ahah hahah haahaha haah

hooo boy put down that crack pipe...

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[WI_DEM]

152. Actually I think the world wide reaction to Obama's election shows he is the most respected figure

and I don't have a link to back up my assertions either--except the display that Obama got when he went abroad (remember Germany?) and the reaction in foreign countries of people when he was elected.

[dbmk]

183. Not sure that can be translated into respect

That was probably more based on expectation and impression. Respect above the one afforded to him by the seat of his office, especially at international political level, is still something he has to earn. Or affirm at least. Which I have little doubt he will.

Imagine the conversations he can have with foreign heads of state compared to the current occupant of the White House.

(I do hope he comes to Copenhagen, whether for the summit on the environment or to support Chicagos bid for the Olympics. :) )

[MilesColtrane]

160. Most adored?

Not until her image begins appearing on tortillas and toast.

[TheWraith]

161. Um, that's definitely NOT true.

Obama is tops, followed by BILL Clinton. Hillary isn't Bill.

[Beacool]

162. A slight exaggeration, but I get your drift.

The Clintons are very popular overseas and she is one of the most celebrated figures in the world. There aren't too many countries where you can say the name "Hillary" and they wouldn't know who you're referring to.

She'll bring instant recognition to the job and she already knows most of today's heads of state. I think that it's a positive thing for the nation to have her as our SOS. Is it the best thing for her? I'm not sure, but it was her choice to take the post. I think that she'll be missed in the senate as she would be pushing forth the causes that have been dear to her for decades. She's also losing her independence and power base.

;)

[Arugula Latte]

171. Nope -- Obama has far surpassed her in world popularity/respect.

[atimetocome]

179. Probably, but many around the world respect her and that counts: Read this..........

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/01/a-world-awaits-the-return-of-a-familiar-face /



A World Awaits the Return of a Familiar Face
By Gerry Mullany

Update | 1:41 p.m. Reaction to Hillary Rodham Clinton’s selection as Secretary of State is already starting to drift in, with some seeing her return to the global stage through the prism of the Clinton presidency and predicting a more multilateral American approach to global affairs.
The New Team

From Berlin, The Times’s reporter Nick Kulish reports that until the Obama candidacy gained sudden steam after his Iowa victory, Senator Clinton had found early popular support among Germans in her presidential bid. That resulted partly from that nation’s desire to return to the years of good relations during her husband’s administration, and was also due to her own profile there.

“From an international perspective, it’s a good decision,” said Andreas Etges, a professor at the John F. Kennedy Institute for North American Studies at the Free University of Berlin. “There may not be agreement on all policy matters, but with Obama and Hillary Clinton you can at least guarantee a better atmosphere.”

In fact, one of Mrs. Clinton’s least successful moments during the Clinton White House years earned her considerable support here in Europe: Her failed attempt to push national health care. Many Europeans consider the lack of universal health coverage in America scandalous and remember her for trying to do something about it.......

[dbmk]

184. That blog is pure speculation

And not exactly the impression I get from my fellow europeans. The quote is probably quite correct - but I think it is being misused. Is she being viewed as compentent? Yes. Does she bring some goodwill of the Clinton name? Yes. But awaited by the world? Give me a break.

She is no Obama in that respect.

[atimetocome]

186. I never said she was Obama. But she is respected by many countries-that is the point.

[muriel_volestrangler]

187. If not Obama, I'd guess that would be Nelson Mandela (and: real poll, here)

Hillary Clinton 'adored' around the world? No. But i think she'll be fairly well received as SoS.

Though from a list of 17 current leaders (plus Tony Blair and Fidel Castro, despite their retirements), in a poll in the big Western European countries plus the US, the Dalai Lama comes top, with Angela Merkel 2nd, and Tony Blair, god help us, 3rd. They didn't give Obama, or Hillary Clinton (or Nelson Mandela, for that matter) as a choice in the poll - Dubya comes 14th, behind Putin, but beating Chavez.

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/news/index.asp

[sniffa]

193. Why hasn't this been locked and moved to the Lounge?

:shrug:

[NYC_SKP]

195. Most adored In the Universe, the Cosmos, even the Fourth Dimension, but...

...the Fifth Dimension leans Obama.

:rofl:

[Vinnie From Indy]

196. This is my shameless attempt to be the LAST WORD on one of the most RIDICULOUS posts on DU!

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