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changemonger Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 03:14 PM
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Is "global governance" on PE Obama's agenda ?
I wonder if any of you catched the Financial Times Editorial today by Rachmann . It'd be interesting to see what you really think about it .
A jaw-dropping editorial written by the Financial Times’ chief foreign affairs commentator Gideon Rachman entitled ‘And now for a world government’ lays out the plan for global government and how it is being pushed with deceptive language and euphemisms in order to prevent people from becoming alarmed.

Source: FT.com

“For the first time in my life, I think the formation of some sort of world government is plausible,” writes Rachman, citing the financial crisis, “global warming” and the “global war on terror” as three major pretexts through which it is being introduced.

Rachman writes that “global governance” could be introduced much sooner than many expect and that President elect Barack Obama has already expressed his desire to achieve that goal, making reference to Obama’s circle of advisors which includes Strobe Talbott, who in 1992 stated, “In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn’t such a great idea after all.”

Rachman then concedes that the more abstract term “global governance,” which is often used by top globalists like David Rockefeller as a veil to offset accusations that a centralized global government is the real agenda, is merely a trick of “soothing language” that is used to prevent “people reaching for their rifles in America’s talk-radio heartland”.

“But some European thinkers think that they recognise what is going on,” says Rachman. “Jacques Attali, an adviser to President Nicolas Sarkozy of France, argues that: “Global governance is just a euphemism for global government.” As far as he is concerned, some form of global government cannot come too soon. Mr Attali believes that the “core of the international financial crisis is that we have global financial markets and no global rule of law”.

Rachman proceeds to outline what the first steps to an official world government would look like, including the creation of “A legally binding climate-change agreement negotiated under the auspices of the UN and the creation of a 50,000-strong UN peacekeeping force”.

“A “world government” would involve much more than co-operation between nations,” writes Rachman. “It would be an entity with state-like characteristics, backed by a body of laws. The European Union has already set up a continental government for 27 countries, which could be a model. The EU has a supreme court, a currency, thousands of pages of law, a large civil service and the ability to deploy military force.”

“So, it seems, everything is in place. For the first time since homo sapiens began to doodle on cave walls, there is an argument, an opportunity and a means to make serious steps towards a world government,” concludes Rachman, before acknowledging that the path to global government will be “slow and painful”.

Tellingly, Rachman concedes that “International governance tends to be effective, only when it is anti-democratic,” citing the continual rejection of EU expansion when the question is put to a vote. “In general, the Union has progressed fastest when far-reaching deals have been agreed by technocrats and politicians – and then pushed through without direct reference to the voters,” writes Rachman.

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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 03:19 PM
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1. You mean you haven't been tombstoned yet?

You're a pretty persistent freeper, I'll give you that.
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changemonger Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 03:29 PM
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2. Oh really !. This isn't a left-right issue
and if by your weird standard I'm a freeper, than 90% of DU users are far far right.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 03:39 PM
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6. You joined 2 days after the election, and every OP by you has been anti-Obama

I know exactly what you are.
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changemonger Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 03:47 PM
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8. LOL "anti-Obama" OPs like...
I'm Far-left

Yes, it's change indeed

Rachel is right

...


you can look those up and come back when you have a better idea.

It's telling that you immediately chose to attack the messenger and not address the message at all.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 03:52 PM
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11. because I read the other OP's by the "messenger" and know your agenda...
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 03:33 PM
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3. Why are you still here? I thought you got TS'd the last time. nt
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 03:36 PM
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4. Will the Jewishs Bankers have hand in this? Oh my.
Or maybe *'s daddy with his NWO statement.

Lets get back to real issues like the financial mess, enviroment, two occupations, healthcare. You know, real things, not fantasia.
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changemonger Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 03:39 PM
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5. I didn't know the FT was publishing "fantasia"...
in its editorials.
this, my friend, is THE real issue .
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 03:45 PM
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7. "editorial" = someones opinion
As for being the "real issue", time to rethink your priorities. Worrying about the NWO bogeyman is not mine but feel free to spend as much time on it as you see fit.
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changemonger Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 03:54 PM
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12. Yeah, and the FT would publish it if they deemed it "fantasia" !?
Those issues you dubbed "real"( based on the media narrative) are connected.
My advice to you: do your own research on a subject before you start calling it "fantasia".
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 03:56 PM
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13. I get right on that. Have fun.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 03:49 PM
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9. Is it Conspiracy Theory Day on DU today? nt
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 07:25 PM
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19. Isn't it always?
:eyes:
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 03:50 PM
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10. Utopia?!?!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 04:09 PM
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14. While it is true that more things will need international solutions,
that does not have to lead to global governance.

What it does mean is that many issues that were once just domestic - now are international problems. Senator Kerry's "New War" book, written in 1997, spoke of how just as globalization has impacted legitimate business, the globalization of illicit business has changed what is needed to seal with internationa crime, drug running and non-state terrorism.

When there is a treaty on global warming, there likely have to be mechanisms to reward countries which comply and punish those that don't Nothing I read suggests this has to lead to an international government. Ona idea I read was that all the signing countries could agree on a "tax" to be applied to a non-compliant country's products. As NOT complying might make their products cheaper, this would have the affect of taking away that advantage - and it would be in the vested interest of all the country's complying because it makes their products more competive.

Last summer, the Finance committee had a hearing on how places like the Cayman Islands are tax shelters. Blum, the man who headed Kerry's staff on BCCI was one of the panel and he and Kerry spoke of how this was an international problem, that hurt many countries and needed an international solution. In MA recently at a town hall at a college, he spoke of intending to hold an investigation on this. This could lead to international agreements that could make this more difficult. (Kerry has twice in the past impacted international transactions - making them more transparent - once in the 1990s with the "Kerry agreements" and after 911 with legislation that he had sought to pass for years against international money laundering.) This does not lead to an international government - just agreements that require a level of behavior to be included in the international networks.

Everyone will agree that over time the amount of work that needs to be done by the fp team of the President and the Senaet and House fp committees has increased and will continue to increase. I don't see that it has to end in international government - and even if it did, I disagree that it has to be authoritarian.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 04:16 PM
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15. Yes of course, but you have made a terrible mistake
by posting this here. You are now on the list. The Black Trucks will be by to pick up you and your family.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 07:12 PM
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18. They are on their way
now.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 07:00 PM
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16. Global economy, global corporations, regional governments
Why do corporations have as much power as they do? They can play a few hundred governmets against each other.

How is a government able to function? By being a monopoly. We couldn't have two governments of the United States. United being the key word.

Something has to give. If we're going to have a global society, where we're all in the same boat with a common destiny, we can't have hundreds of individual governments acting in their own interests. That's what corporations do. If nations act like corporations, corporations win.

In a global economy, with global corporations, you need a global government. You're not going to be able to regulate a damn thing otherwise.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 07:10 PM
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17. “International governance tends to be effective, only when it is anti-democratic,”
Stop the presses: Obama wants to take over the world! :sarcasm:

This reminds me of the wingnuts claim that Kerry wanted to cede U.S. sovereignty.

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