What is hip again...

[Coexist]

Science.


The Constitution.


Tolerance and diversity.









This is the best Christmas ever.

[BlooInBloo]

1. :)))

[firedupdem]

2. Great Post! You are right! n/t

[Xipe Totec]

3. And this letter:

[Auggie]

4. Two thumbs up

[BrklynLiberal]

5. Good news...

[Clio the Leo]

6. "Tolerance" is a naughty word but otherwise...

... great post.

"Tolerate" means to "put up with." We are to love and cherish one another ... not "put up with" each other.

Sorry, soap box moment over. :)

[JuniperLea]

8. Hmmm... Museum of Tolerance...

Someone should have clued Simon Wiesenthal into that definition;)


http://www.museumoftolerance.com/site/c.juLVJ8MRKtH/b.1580483/

[Clio the Leo]

15. Hmmm you're right, they should have. It's a naughty, naughty word. NT

[Bluenorthwest]

25. I disagree

Tolerance is all I can expect or hope for from the religionist bigots of this world. They will never be accepting and loving, and waiting for that to occur is out of the question. If the choice is tolerance, or having millions shoved into ovens while we wait for the Christian love to kick in, I'll take that tolerance anytime. It was that specific experience that lead to the choice of the word that bothers you. Chosen by those who survived.
My guess is the word has differnt nuances to some of us than it does to you.

[JuniperLea]

36. Very true...

I think that we cannot force people to actually accept the ways, thoughts, and religions of others, but we can demand they tolerate and not cause other's problems just because their belief system is different... or their skin color... or their sexual orientation...

[fudge stripe cookays]

48. Simon Wiesenthal was not what I thought he was....

I recently read a book on the revelations about Kurt Waldheim, and it turns out Wiesenthal was all about covering up the fact that Waldheim had been a Nazi. Also pointed out that he had taken credit for the Eichmann capture, but had only been marginally involved in it. Fascinating stuff.

I used to have the greatest respect for Wiesenthal. Now I'm utterly disgusted.

[JuniperLea]

51. Wow... that's some heavy stuff there...

Who wrote that book? What is the evidence presented? This could shatter a lot of people's worlds.

On a completely different note... I sure do miss Mothers Fudge Stripe Cookies.

[fudge stripe cookays]

63. Here you go....

http://cgi.ebay.com/BETRAYAL-Untold-Story-of-Kurt-Waldheim-BOOK-Cover-Up_W0QQitemZ280087153654QQcmdZViewItem

I found this link because the one on Amazon doesn't have a picture. I was skeptical at first too, but the authors present a pretty good case.

I don't remember all the evidence because it's been about 3 years since I finished it, but it really socked it to him.

[Coexist]

12. well, hopefully everyone knows what I mean.

[Pacifist Patriot]

24. Hmmmm, not in any definition I can find.

1. a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry.
2. a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward opinions and practices that differ from one's own.
3. interest in and concern for ideas, opinions, practices, etc., foreign to one's own; a liberal, undogmatic viewpoint.

On the other hand, tolerance for the sake of simply getting along is anathema. Tolerance without adherence to principle is cowardice and sometimes descends into outright depravity. I would say poor practitioners of tolerance give the concept a bad name, not the principled practice of tolerance in itself.

[JitterbugPerfume]

39. tolerance is all we can offer

when it comes to the religious right, neocons and pure unadulterated idiocy



and tolerance is more than we have been offered for the past twenty years!

[JuniperLea]

55. I'm losing my tolerance for the religious right...

And Faux Christians. They can't seem to grasp the concept of tolerance. No one is trying to change their minds or beliefs. There's no thought police telling them they have to accept anyone else, just be tolerant of differences.

What a pity.

[NinetySix]

56. Tolerance for their religious liberty is required of egalitarians like me.

Tolerance of their intolerance is not. It always gets under my skin how they hold our position of philosophically committed tolerance in such contempt, then turn around and view us as hypocrites when we are intolerant of their intolerance. We as tolerant persons are not required to tolerate their intransigent intolerance. Why? Because intolerance is antithetical to tolerance.

We who value Liberty above all might as well embrace the liberty of those whose sole aim is to abolish Liberty to work toward that objective.

[anonymous171]

40. Yep. Acceptance > Tolerance.

Although Tolerance is preferable to open hostility.

[nichomachus]

42. It's not the only definition

2 a: sympathy or indulgence for beliefs or practices differing from or conflicting with one's own

And that's not naughty at all. I don't expect anyone else to "cherish" my beliefs, but I do expect them not to suppress them either.

[Willo]

44. Love requires a whole lot of tolerating.

Think about it

Loving ain't easy :)

:hi:

[amyrose2712]

64. I also hate the way that word gets used nt

[SnowGoose]

65. The other W's thoughts on 'tolerance'

I think I get your point, and that it was the same one articulated by George Washington in the widely-cited quote:

"All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights."

I have no objection to tolerance, but to the assumption of what is normal, and who is tolerating whom. That being said, change is usually slow, and the first step is usually grudging "tolerance" by people who can no longer enforce their views on others.

So, I guess it's not the goal, but it's a start, and I'll damn well take it!

[RaleighNCDUer]

66. Sorry - the best I can do for some folks is tolerate.

I am, after all, only human.

[enki23]

67. you can't "expect" (legally or otherwise) anyone to "love and cherish" someone else

nor should you. you can, however, and should expect people to tolerate (ie. not unduly antagonize) others based on race, ethnicity, other special status, or behavior (so long as it does not do real harm to a non-consenting other).

[liberalmuse]

7. Well, thank you for supplying those visuals to go with your words.

And yes, it is the BEST CHRISTMAS EVER!
:woohoo:

[JuniperLea]

9. Thanks for this... I needed it badly!

I just heard that my niece is badgering her ultra brainy brother NOT to hang with the "nerds" and not to talk so much about what college he wants to attend... because people will "label him." I'm very concerned for her. I hope she gets a clue.

[Coexist]

11. you're welcome!

I hope he hangs with people who love him, accept him, help him make healthy choices, and share common interestes with him.

[JuniperLea]

37. What a lovely thought...

I'm going to hold that thought... thanks once more and again!

[mopinko]

10. but, but, bill ayers has 2 earrings!!

and he is scruffy!! blech. (hardball bullshit)



but yep, it is a great day.

[Willo]

45. Ironically spoken by a black woman

I saw that and thought...Um, sis, hello. Check yourself.

Who are you to sniff and snub your nose at Ayers, while the President-Elect's middle name is a media topic?

[graywarrior]

13. Hell yeah!

[JimWis]

14. Yup. Great post. Kick.

[WillyT]

16. Most Excellent Post !!!

:yourock:

:hi:

[rvablue]

17. It's a very Merry Christmas and it'll be even a better New Year....starting on or around the 20th!!

[AtomicKitten]

18. I look forward to it all unfolding on 1-20-09.

[EFerrari]

19. Foreign relations!

:woohoo:

[ClayZ]

20. Wooot! K and R

[elkston]

21. Yummm... Susan Rice. :)

[PfcHammer]

22. That's what I'm talkin about

Hell yeah mutha fuckahs !!! K&R !!!
:thumbsup:

[Window]

23. Very nice post! K/R.

:kick:

[mdmc]

26. I want peace, health, and prosperity to be hip

The lesser of two evils is not "hip".

Still, it is a Merry Christmas... except for the lack of gifts, food, and the need of money to afford co-pays to keep up the old health...

[Bernardo de La Paz]

27. Competency Without Drama is hip again. Not a moment too soon. . . nt

[grantcart]

28. recommended

[lame54]

29. still don't like that last guy

[tridim]

30. Because he gave up Han Solo to Boba Fett?

:rofl:

[lame54]

31. I'll add that to the list

[EFerrari]

50. That was funny.

:)

[tridim]

53. I stole it from Jon Stewart.

I LMFAO when he said it last night.

[EFerrari]

54. Craig Ferguson has started to do some funny stuff in his second 10 minutes.

He was all over Blaggo yesterday and all over the media for trying to use it on Obama, too. :)

[Cha]

32. Yes, and it was the best Thanksgiving ever!

I went all the way across this country of ours and celebrated our new found "hipness" with my Obama supporting kids:fistbump:

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, FlordiaDem..it seems to have been forgotten by some caught up in the mineutia of the transition.

[bridgit]

33. John Wayne's Teeth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJUjwJfjd80

[coffeenap]

34. Brains! Brains! Brains!

:bounce:

[gmoney]

35. is it just me, or does Nancy Sutley look a bit like our friend Ava?

Obviously a few decades down the road...

[JitterbugPerfume]

38. and we wont have to feel like

strangers in a strange land

nerds RULE

[Uncle Joe]

41. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, FLDem.

[lebkuchen]

43. LIBERAL is also hip

for those who value their portfolios, houses, medical care, and retirements.

Ditto for "tree huggers."

[wryter2000]

46. "Sometimes, hipness is what it ain't"

Sorry. :) What is Hip means something else entirely to a Tower of Power fan.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

47. this sucks. ONLY 46 RECs so far? ? ? ? ?

[Uzybone]

49. K&R

[sonias]

52. Yea for sanity

:fistbump:

Sonia

[Coexist]

57. I'm so glad you all liked it.

Merry Christmas or whatever you celebrate!

[FrenchieCat]

58. Hear here!

:toast:

[KakistocracyHater]

59. electricity-in all its forms

trransportation, music, communications. Water-in all its forms: non-polluted lakes, rivers, streams, working tapwater in everyone's home, plumbing: with wastewater pipes lined with silicone-less clogs:7

What the Bible says about the next Age, Aquarius:

MARK 14:13"He sent two of his disciples, telling them, "Go into the city, and you will meet a man carrying a jug of water. Follow him. International Standard Version

And He sent two of His disciples and said to them, "Go into the city, and a man will meet you carrying a pitcher of water; follow him; New American Standard Bible

He sent two of his disciples and told them, "Go into the city. You will meet a man carrying a jug of water. Follow him. God's Word Translation 1995

And he sendeth forth two of his disciples, and saith unto them, Go ye into the city, and there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: follow him. King James Bible

And he sends forth two of his disciples, and said to them, Go you into the city, and there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: follow him. American King James Version

LUKE 22:10 He said to them, "Just after you go into the city, a man carrying a jug of water will meet you. Follow him into the house he enters International Standard Version

And He said to them, "When you have entered the city, a man will meet you carrying a pitcher of water; follow him into the house that he enters. New American Standard

He told them, "Go into the city, and you will meet a man carrying a jug of water. Follow him into the house he enters. Gods Word Translation

And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in. King James Bible

We all know that women are the traditional "water carriers", whether it is Navajos or Africans...

And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house whereinto he goeth. American Standard Version

[Enthusiast]

60. +1! And it will be a good Christmas

except for the horrible economy.

[valerief]

61. K&R

:kick:

[JDPriestly]

62. Wonderful thought as I say goodnight to DU.

I'm so thankful for these appointments. They really give me hope.