How dare Jesus invite the prostitute and tax collector to dinner!

[usregimechange]

At Jesus' own dinner table?

[Bravehammer]

1. Obama=Jesus

[usregimechange]

5. Warren = Tax collector

[mondo joe]

24. Warren = The Moneychangers.

[usregimechange]

DU right now = ?

[mondo joe]

39. DU = DU. Your analogy was stupid.

Obama isn't the Messiah. He's a politician, and the leader of a political party.

[usregimechange]

57. It was not intended to compare Obama to Jesus but the Warren horror machine to a silly reaction

you reach out to people you disagree with to have an influence on their beliefs, much more than you would have from returning the hate with some of your own.

[mondo joe]

63. This isn't reaching out. If Obama wanted to invite him to dine to sway him, fine. But

instead, he's giving the Pharisee a special place of honor.

Pretty fucked up.

[jberryhill]

43. A den of vipers

[mondo joe]

47. You people REALLY need to get over your Obama Messiah complex. He's a member of a

political party - our political party. He's not a savior or a healer or a god - he's our candidate and a civil servant.

[jberryhill]

50. Grrrr....

Woof!

[mondo joe]

54. Are party members to treat our candidate and party member as the disciples treated

Jesus?

[jberryhill]

61. Ruff, Ruff

Awwooooooooo!

GRrrrrrr....

[jefferson_dem]

55. LOL.

Nuff said...

[patrice]

9. Aren't all followers of Christ supposed to try to live like him?

Have you never heard of the Mystical Body of Christ?

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

2. WTF?

[Seen the light]

3. Parody post?

I hope?

[DJ13]

4. Drop the nails and step away from that cross

[ddeclue]

14. It's funnier to say "get down off that cross boys...Jesus needs the wood."

[ddeclue]

6. BAD analogy, Warren = Pharisee, Warren is not a tax collector or prostitute...

:eyes:

[Sebastian Doyle]

21. No, but he is a tax-dodging religious whore.

:evilgrin:

[QC]

7. I didn't think that the apologetics could get any lamer, or the analogies any more false,

than what we have seen so far, but I was clearly wrong.

[happychatter]

8. get down with your BAD fuckin' self

immediate K and R from this person

[Uzybone]

10. Non christians will not get it

Obama isn't Jesus by any stretch (if there was a Jesus). But he is reaching out in a way i could not. Hopefully something positive comes out of all this. Right now its pretty depressing.

[PVnRT]

11. Jesus never existed

Or is Obama Jesus? That sentiment would not surprise me here.

[ddeclue]

19. That's a pretty broad and baseless statement to make.

How do you intend to prove that Jesus never existed?

Proving negatives is notoriously difficult.

:eyes:

[PVnRT]

27. Prove he existed

You know, the burden of proof is on the one making the claim. Or do I have to prove that God didn't create the universe in seven days, too?

[mindwalker_i]

52. Not only do you have to prove

that God didn't create the universe in 7 days, you have to prove that Jesus isn't just somebody's invisible, malt-o-meal eating friend.

[ddeclue]

59. You are the one making the bold claim not me...

The burden of proving he didn't exist is STILL on you since you made the claim... I made no such claim, I just pointed out how silly your claim was because of the fact that it wasn't really proveable.

Secondly you are creating a straw man by conflating a literal interpretation of Genesis which I never espoused here nor do I believe with the notion of whether there was a historical figure who was what some people call "Jesus" today...

It is indeed quite possible that there was a historical "Jesus" that did exist who was a rabble rouser / revolutionary type 2000 years ago leaving aside "supernatural" considerations. Do you think that various people just made up these stories for no particular reason? Usually there is some kernel of truth behind legends. Of course they are always embellished.. We see it in our own history - George Washington and the Cherry Tree, Abe Lincoln splitting logs, etc., etc....

[PVnRT]

71. Not worth it...

[ddeclue]

76. What's not worth what?

:shrug:

[mindwalker_i]

96. ...

He's dead, Jim

[jberryhill]

40. Neither Did Huck Finn

But I still know he rode a raft on the Mississippi.

[thewiseguy]

12. I used to like your posts during the election. WTF is this?

[usregimechange]

16. If everyone liked everything I ever said I would be one unhealthy person

[gravity]

13. Crucify him

[crappyjazz]

18. Jesus walks into an inn, slaps three nails on the counter and says

"hey, can you put me up for the night?"

[leftstreet]

26. ...

:spank:

:rofl:

[mindwalker_i]

58. That joke and I

have crossed paths before.

[dflprincess]

15. Having him over to dinner where you can talk with him quietly

and perhaps talk sense to him is one thing - standing the bigot up in front of the world and telling people to listen to him is quite another.

[usregimechange]

20. I think he intends to sit down with a good part of the country and do that very thing but he can not

with their auto-opposition to anything Obama turned on high.

[PVnRT]

29. Right, I guess he *had* to have Warren make the invocation

[usregimechange]

31. He didn't have to but it is his way of speaking to them to get them on board and listening

[mondo joe]

38. And to turn GLBT people off.

His choice.

Quite the "fierce advocate".

[PVnRT]

73. He can speak with him anytime

Doing this is a symbolic nod to continued fundamentalist bigotry and hate. How much "speaking" are they going to be doing on the stage at the Capitol?

[usregimechange]

80. It isn't the event, this is a symbol to his opposition that he is their President too and he can use

that rapport to influence the change that we all want, including the freedom for everyone to marry.

[mondo joe]

84. Why a symbol that lies about and demonizes a vulnerable minority?

Dude, that is very douche bag of Obama.

And he doesn't support marriage rights ANYWAY, which is another issue.

[usregimechange]

87. Because he doesn't know any better and it is up to us to teach them which we can not do

while we are calling them names. I care not how true those names are, it doesn't work.

[mondo joe]

89. He doesn't know any better? Does Cheney know better? Does Falwell? Bush?

Hm?

And how is giving him a national platform teaching him?

[usregimechange]

91. They are all blinded by their philosophies and we will be too if we are not careful

It develops rapport with those who he wants to lead. Social change doesn't work via aggression.

[mondo joe]

93. Well hell, why not just hand all of government over bigots and racists, and just

leave Cheney in place if we're developing rapport with people who don't know better.

[usregimechange]

98. Because that would give them the keys to the house, we just want them listening to his address

[mondo joe]

99. They'll listen no matter what. He didn't need this lying bigot. NT

[bluedawg12]

110. Putting a lying bigot on the podium is NOT going to change bigots.

This is fantasy land they're pushing.

[dflprincess]

41. As I said, fine, sit down with them, talk some sense into them.

Just don't stand the bigot up in front of me and expect me to listen to him spew hate.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

75. and if he dosn't spew any hate during the invocation? n/t

[dflprincess]

94. Warren is a bigot, his hateful remarks about Gays, women and Jews follow him

Nothing he says is worth listening to as we know his hate for others is lurking just beneath the surface.

This guy has advocated the assassination of other world leaders - what kind of message is Obama trying to send? Including this bigot in the inaguration gives him a credibility and a platform he doesn't deserve.

[JeffR]

17. A dinner invitation would be magnanimous and a loving gesture.

Yet I don't recall a passage in any of the Gospels that commemorates Christ's decision to have the prostitute and tax collector stand up any say a prayer as He was sworn in as Savior.

Ya know, if ya wanna start throwing around ridiculous analogies'n'stuff...

[Sebastian Doyle]

28. absolutely correct.

That speech was given by His cousin John The Baptist. And then afterwards, Jesus' Dad had a few words.

John said "Behold the Lamb of God who taketh away the sins of the world"

God said "This is My beloved Son in whom I'm well pleased"

Short and to the point. And neither one said "Oh yeah... make sure the gays don't get married!!!!"

[Kalyke]

83. Best post of the night.

Bravo on 'ya!

[IndianaGreen]

22. According to Warren, Jesus will burn in Hell because he was a Jew

And nowhere Jesus ever said he renounced and denounced Judaism.

[mondo joe]

23. When did Jesus invite the Pharisees to deliver Jesus's invocation?

I must be missing that from my bible.

[usregimechange]

30. The Pharisees were a much closer comparison to Warren but some of us are acting that way as well

and some of you may not like that but I thought it needed to be said.

[mondo joe]

35. It needed to be said to satisfy yourself. It's fucking wrong though.

And if you think it's just fine to have someone who compares gays to child molesters have this special honor, you're fucking wrong about that too.

AND: Jesus didn't hang with the Pharisees.

[usregimechange]

53. Everyone one knows he did not get this opportunity for that reason

I did not work my ass off to get this man elected because I believe he would support one stand of hair on that beast (hate). He likely respects him for other reasons and again I think he wants to develop rapport for the purpose of social change.

[mondo joe]

56. When he invites a KKK member for a similar role I'll take you seriously. As it stands,

gays were expendable for political gain.

[Double T]

25. Jesus has got to stop behaving Obamastically.

Can't please BOTH the Jews and Christians ALL of the time lest 'one' of them might crucify ya.

[AllentownJake]

32. Jesus was a mythological figure

:hide:

[Kalyke]

79. No, He wasn't.

Whether he was Divine is the still up in the air, but, yes, Jesus existed.

Do you ever read? Watch the History channel? Or are you stationed behind that rock wall?

[AllentownJake]

86. The Jesus in the bible is mythological

Was there a real preacher around 33 AD that pissed off the Romans there is a 99% probablility. Was he born in a manger, the son of God, had super powers, and now sits at the right hand of the father is mythology in my opinion.

So saying he was a mythological figure is an accurate statement.

There was probably a real King Arthur as well but he isn't asleep and he isn't coming back to lead Brittain again.

[Kalyke]

102. What part of "whether he was Divine" didn't you understand?

I think I addressed everything you just said.

???????

[Bobbie Jo]

114. What kind of BIGOTED statement is that?

I know...the accepted kind, of course.

[glitch]

33. Bad analogy unless the prostitutes and tax collector were hate mongers.

Which they weren't.

[usregimechange]

36. Your right, it was those judging them who pretended to be perfect, much like many here on DU

:wow:

[glitch]

72. Who's pretending? nt

:P

[Clio the Leo]

82. Tax collectors were as bad as they came. NT

[glitch]

105. But that particular tax collector was repentant.

Until Warren repents still a bad analogy.

[jonnyblitz]

34. are you saying Obama is Jesus? holy crap

and you wonder why it's called a CULT.

[usregimechange]

37. Um, nope.

[mondo joe]

42. You mistake the role of a politician in a party with a the role of a Messiah.

Very silly.

[Seen the light]

44. You said in another post that Warren = Tax Collector

So who equals Jesus in your post?

[usregimechange]

64. It was not meant to compare anyone with Jesus but suggest that reaching out to those you oppose

is wise.

[mondo joe]

66. Let's follow your analogy through. Which moneychanger did Jesus appoint to

an honored position?

[usregimechange]

78. You are taking the analogy too far, I am saying that it is wise, you have more influence

reaching out to those you oppose than you do calling them a bigot. Where do you think hate comes from? An evil pool of demons? It comes from ignorance and fear, none of which you can develop counter strategies for by trading insults.

[mondo joe]

81. I see - when your analogy gets explored a bit and falls on its ass, it's "too far".

He's not reaching out - he's HONORING this bigot.

If you want to look to Jesus's example, this isn't it.

[usregimechange]

85. I have explained what I meant by it and it is you who are taking it too far because you are

emotional.

[mondo joe]

88. I'm not emotional at all. That's an ad hominem. I'm simply exposing the flaw in your analogy.

Jesus didn't do anything like the parallel you're trying to draw.

I had plenty of years of Catholic education. You don't know WTF you're talking about.

[usregimechange]

90. I agree, there are more flaws in that in the analogy, I said it to make a point which you

refuse to address. I have been making it here all night. Can you influence anyone without their rapport? If so how effective is it?

[mondo joe]

92. I've addressed your point, as have others. If Obama wants to influence Warren by

bringing him in and swaying him, great.

But that's not what he's doing.

If he wants to influence people, why is it always homophobes and not racists? Why not invite a racist to deliver the invocation?

You know why and so do I.

[usregimechange]

95. Racism is a minority view, homosexuals are at risk right now in a profound way

those who perpetuate this hate will be swayed by a leader who leads effectively. This is a strategic move and one that will help us get closer to equal treatment under the law. People listen poorly to those they perceive as enemies. I suspect that will be clear when they are all listening in to what Obama has to say.

[mondo joe]

100. I think you're living in a fantasy land. I don't mean that as an insult. NT

[bluedawg12]

106. Obama went to Saddle Back before Nov4 and Warren worked for Hate8

exactly timed for Nov 4.

[bluedawg12]

103. The issue is NOT rapport you know there has been dialogue before.

[bluedawg12]

101. Fear and ignorance of gays comes from guys like Warren

he is the hate spreader.

[Clintonista2]

45. I am embarassed on your behalf

[jberryhill]

46. Who gave the invocation at his crucifixion anyway?

[Sebastian Doyle]

62. Jesus did Himself

Again, it was short and to the point "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do". :(

[Ken Burch]

48. A prostitute can't be compared to a bigot.

And Mary Magdalene never stripped anyone of the right to marry, either

[mondo joe]

49. And gays are Mary Magdelene, and Jesbama is handing Warren the first stone.

Kind of different from the bible version.

[rhett o rick]

51. You just don't get it. It's not that he is invited to dinner, to sit down and meet or discuss issues

Rich Warren was chosen to be the religious leader of choice for the event. He is apparently the most important religious to the Obama team. Many of us consider it a slap in the face to those of us that put in a lot of work, sweat and money to elect Obama. If Obama wanted to include Warren on a committee to discuss religious differences in the country, that's one thing. This is quite another. And I don't think it very friendly for those that aren't offended to tell those that are offended that we shouldn't be offended.

[usregimechange]

69. He is inviting his opposition to dinner symbolically and I think he intends to influence them much

more than those of us here calling them bigots will ever do. "Oh, they called me a Bigot, maybe I am." Not a thought you will hear anytime soon.

[rhett o rick]

117. I agree that we should try to "influence" the bigots, if you will, but I think there would be

better ways. This way makes it look like Obama is endorsing Mr. Warren and his bigoted beliefs.

I appreciate your decent response. I didn't intend my comment to be quite so snarky.

[DRoseDARs]

60. No words. Should have sent a poet...

No, seriously, a poet wouldn't have so thoroughly fucked up this analogy as you have. Congratulations, you winz Teh Internets "Worst Analogy Ever"! Here's your prize:

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

65. He didn't. He went to their place.

[jberryhill]

67. I thought they all went out to Olive Garden

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

70. For years the Eucharist was given in the form of warm bread sticks.

[LaydeeBug]

68. But, of course a hate loving bigot, after we've already suffered a different hate loving bigot, is

FAR WORSE than hookers or tax collectors.

[Skip Intro]

74. Oh God.

Frightening.

[Kalyke]

77. There was no prostitute at the table.

Mary Magdalene was never a prostitute.

Whether she was Jesus' wife is still in question, but, she was never a prostitute.

[IndianaGreen]

97. Scripturally you are 100% correct

Mary Magdalene was not a prostitute.

[Kalyke]

104. Yay! A thinking person!

And I like your Hebrew bumper sticker.

[bluedawg12]

108. But Warren is.

[rug]

107. Psalm 26:4: I do not sit with deceitful men, nor do I consort with hypocrites

.

[debbierlus]

109. Obama isn't Jesus, and this isn't his table. Its OURS.

And, there is nothing Christ like about picking Rick Warren for misguided political expediency. You don't offer up a minority community as a sacrificial lamb for 'unity'.

This is probably the most ridiculous off-based post I have seen yet.

[bluedawg12]

111. So true. For 8 years we had a man who talked to God, now we have one

that some of his disciples think he IS God.

[QC]

112. ARE YUO A PUMA??//?!1!

LOL!

[bluedawg12]

116. I'm a POUG

Pissed off uppity gay. :fistbump:

[Chiefofland]

113. If the protitute was a bigot, then the analogy would be valid

but I'm afraid she wasn't.

[Critters2]

115. Gay people are the prostitues and tax collectors, Warren is the Pharisees and scribes.

Do you even OWN a Bible?

[JerseygirlCT]

118. Dinner would be fine

I'd applaud that.

Honor, with such a prominent position at the inaugural... that's a different thing, I think.