To LGBTs: I firmly believe Obama "has your back"

[scheming daemons]

...and I think his actions in office will be to your liking.

I believe your progress during the years 2009 through 2012 will be greater than the previous three decades combined.



But I could be just a kool-aid drinking fanboy.



We'll see.

[Clio the Leo]

1. nothing wrong with Kool aid.....

.... I like mine with a shot of gin.

[Jennicut]

4. LOL

That is quite a combo
I have to try it for my birthday coming up on the 20th

[rug]

2. What do you mean, "your progress"? Its all of ours or none of ours.

[scheming daemons]

6. With respect to marriage and parental rights, specfically

Honestly, I have those right now.

LGBTs should too.

[davidpdx]

3. Obama lied, didn't you know that? He lied to all of us

He pretended to be a liberal. Everyone that supported him is just a worshipers.

OMG the world is ending...

:sarcasm:

[Jennicut]

10. I really don't like the whole

supporting Obama in general = a cult
I thought that was a right wing talking point

[davidpdx]

17. Actually I'm mocking it

because it's still used so widely on here by those who clearly have a grudge against Obama. So for the second time tonight, sorry I didn't make that clear. My humor bone is broken tonight I guess.

[Jennicut]

No, no I understood your post. Totally. I just don't like others that have used that tonight

You are doing fine!

[davidpdx]

21. K, thanks

I thought my humor was dead on delivery. At least SOMEONE gets what I'm saying.

[Dennis Donovan]

I hope you're right. He needs to be brave and smart...

...and DO the RIGHT thing: Guarantee CIVIL RIGHTS to ALL Americans!

[Radical Activist]

5. You may be right, but

This is still a dumb thing to do and it ruins what should be a happy day for everyone.

[lapfog_1]

7. I think he has their back too.

Now the only question is "while he was pounding you on your back, did he shiv you at the same time?"

[IndianaGreen]

8. Where's the beef?

I want evidence! All I see is Obama giving an exalted spot in the Inaugural to a man that supported Prop 8. This is like finding out that General Benedict Arnold betrayed us to the Brits.

[Runcible Spoon]

9. civil rights are EVERYONE'S concern

just because you're not gay doesn't mean you don't have a stake in equal protection for ALL.

[scheming daemons]

12. Specifically marriage and parental rights.....

[David Zephyr]

11. No he doesn't. He will insult us in front of the entire world next month.

Having that hateful bigot up there on a stage to the world after all the shit he's done to the GLBT community --- who supported his ass --- is betrayal.

He has our back? Yeah, with a dagger planted right inside.

[scheming daemons]

14. We'll see..... Talk to me in 2012.

[yardwork]

46. Yeah, we'll call you.

[JanusAscending]

31. Please grow up!

We all love you too much to see you behave this way. It will all come out in the wash in the end. You'll see. It will be OK!:hug:

[yardwork]

36. Take your condescension and shove it.

[JanusAscending]

42. Sorry.

I didn't mean that the way you took it.:cry:

[yardwork]

45. Yeah, you did.

Crybaby.

[JanusAscending]

48. Touche'

Whatever you think. I'll let my sister and her wife know that I am a homophobe, and condescending as well. OK??

[Pale Blue Dot]

50. Wow. You just boiled everything I believe about christians into 2 sentences.

Thank you for that!

[Honeycombe8]

13. The Prez of the U.S. doesn't really have any authority in the gay rights arena, unless...

unless he has the opportunity to veto a bill (like a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage....which the Republican Congress couldn't even get passed, so it's sure that a Dem. Congress won't pass one).

Gay rights are usually decided at the local and state levels, and in the courts.

Correction: The Prez can give gays rights in the military.

I can't think of any other ways the President can affect the gay rights issues, can you?

[scheming daemons]

15. Court appointments.... (not just SCOTUS ones)....

[Honeycombe8]

19. You appoint a gay SCOTUS? Or appoint a liberal SCOTUS, and assume he's not anti-gay?

I think it's fair to say that almost any Dem. Prez would appoint a more liberal S.Ct. Justice than a Republican one. Just HOW liberal he or she would be in the future, there's no way to know, for sure.

That's not really a direct link to gay rights.

[scheming daemons]

22. A judge with a record of favorable rulings for the LGBTcommunity on his/her record

...

[yardwork]

39. Promises, promises. I've heard enough lies.

Fool me once, shame on you. Won't get fooled again.

[LynneSin]

51. Yeah that Supreme Court has no use in all of this

:eyes:

D'uh - the best thing that Obama can do is make sure our court is rebalanced out from the 8 years of damage done by Bush. Because the rights that the GLBT community will not be given to them by any congress - it'll be decided in the courts. And with at least 2 SCOTUS justices retiring soon after Obama gets into office - that's when the first big test will happen with Obama.

[ruggerson]

16. If we make gains, it will only be because we keep the pressure on

read his last interview with the Advocate. I'll provide you a link if you wish.

[scheming daemons]

18. That's true for just about any constituency ever.....no matter who is President

But did pressure help when Bush was President?


Nope.


There's a difference.

[Danger Mouse]

20. We can only hope...

[rug]

23. ...yes we can.

[lostnotforgotten]

24. How Can This Argument Be So Since Obama Has Just Thrown MLK And The Civil Rights Movement

Under the bus.

I guess he has already forgotten from where he came.

[scheming daemons]

25. Either you're sarcastic..... or woefully hyperbolic.......

[lostnotforgotten]

26. Either You Are Woefully Dumb Or Ignorant!

eom

[JanusAscending]

30. Well then.....

I guess that's why he invited Rev. Lawry,(sp?) of the Southern Christian Movement( as in Dr. Martin Luther King's movement) to give the closing prayer, huh? 'Cause "he threw them under the bus"???? Best get your facts straight.

[bluedawg12]

27. Action talks

bullshit walks.

[scheming daemons]

29. Yep.

We'll see.

[Honeycombe8]

28. I'm not a gay activist or even keep up w/that issue much, but even I know that O doesn't support

Obama doesn't support gay marriage, personally. Like Hillary Clinton, Biden, and almost every other politician in the country, he supports civil unions.

Not that it matters what his personal beliefs are regarding that issue. He is against constitutional amendments banning gay rights. I think he is in favor of gays in the military. Beyond that, his personal beliefs don't mean much of anything.

[Bluebear]

32. Sorry, with all due respect, what you firmly believe about this issue doesn't count.

You have been extremely dismissive of LGBT posters in many, many threads. By your fruits do we know ye.

[yardwork]

40. I find this recent turnabout to be intriguing. I think some message came down from headquarters.

"The queers aren't shutting up and it turns out that a lot of straight Democrats are on their side! wtf!"

"Try to talk them down by promising pie in the sky by and by. It worked last time. Do it again."

"Gotcha!"

[Bluebear]

43. "Talk to me in 2012" he says. Four more years we're supposed to wait.

[yardwork]

47. Fuck that.

[yardwork]

33. After the things you've said here over the past couple of days, I doubt very much that you care.

You have mocked, derided, ridiculed, and insulted anyone who suggested that human rights were important. And now you come creeping back to assure "us" that everything will be just fine.

Fuck that.

[Bluebear]

37. Indeed.

[ddeclue]

34. I'm straight but this still sounds like "sit down and quit embarassing Obama" to me...

I think Obama is entitled to choose who he wants but I think he also has to take the criticism for trying to "triangulate". He's suppposed to be on our side in this and not providing life support and status to the right wing evangelists whose movement is now in a coma and fading.

It's hard to say you are for change and then go do stuff like this and not expect criticism.

For my money, the best person to do the invocation would have been Jimmy Carter.

Nothing says they have to be an ordained minister, and Jimmy Carter has a long time reputation as a deacon in his church and has taken the conservative Christian evangelists to task publicly in the past. He walks the walk and talks the talk and has a credibility that these TV preachers have never had.

Doug D.

[yardwork]

38. It's clear that the message came down from Obama headquarters to try to get us to shut up.

First we were insulted and yelled at, and now we're being patted on the heads. Neither will work and I find this latter approach to be laughably lame.

It's becoming obvious that the Obama team doesn't know jack-shit about gay people or gay rights, and they have made a serious error in assuming that nobody but queers cares about gay rights. There are a heck of a lot of straight people who are as mad as fire about this.

[Nightflurry]

41. We're the dog that didn't get our treat.

Remember that recent study with the dogs and the handshaking and treats? We've been trained to shake the Democrats hands but the other dogs keep getting treats and we're not getting ours.

Even dogs see that as unfair.

[yardwork]

44. I do remember that article! Good point.

[ddeclue]

35. I'm straight but this still sounds like "sit down and quit embarassing Obama" to me...

I think Obama is entitled to choose who he wants but I think he also has to take the criticism for trying to "triangulate". He's suppposed to be on our side in this and not providing life support and status to the right wing evangelists whose movement is now in a coma and fading.

It's hard to say you are for change and then go do stuff like this and not expect criticism.

For my money, the best person to do the invocation would have been Jimmy Carter.

Nothing says they have to be an ordained minister, and Jimmy Carter has a long time reputation as a deacon in his church and has taken the conservative Christian evangelists to task publicly in the past. He walks the walk and talks the talk and has a credibility that these TV preachers have never had.

Doug D.

[terrya]

49. Well, thanks for your optimism. I'm seeing my hope dwindle away.

It will be benign neglect time for us from President Obama. Not one fucking thing will be done for us from this Administration. Maybe, if we're lucky, we won't get the blatant hostility towards GLBT Americans that the current Administration has shown us.