If Obama had invited a Catholic Bishop who was pro-life and everything else, would you feel the same

[Zynx]

Or is there something in particular about Rick Warren that bothers you?

[dflprincess]

1. Yes

and I say that as a Catholic who finally lapsed because I could no longer tolerate the attitudes towards women and Gays.

[Zynx]

2. So, should he use his position as President to condemn the Catholic Church?

[deaniac21]

4. No but he shouldn't give them the spotlight either. He has given

the spotlight to Warren.

[Zynx]

8. Do you know how few people remember inaugurations?

Lots of people watch them. Nobody remembers them, except if the president says something memorable.

[ropi]

13. you know how many glbt people are not going to forget this one?

n/t

[Fearless]

17. Depends on whether it actually makes a difference in the grand scheme...

I'm betting with a depression on the horizon... not.

[ropi]

20. ah..but you see...

even during a depression it will make a difference in the grand scheme. your same glbt brothers and sisters will be standing there alongside you in the soup lines as well.

[Fearless]

21. My point being...

That in the face of said crisis, national politics will take a forefront and GLBTQ rights will take the back burner. It's happened before, doubtlessly it will happen again. At least they might stop passing amendments for a while.

[Zenlitened]

24. In an economic crisis... the security and safeguards of a legal marriage...

... become even MORE important.

Wouldn't it be nice if gay and lesbian couples -- and their children -- had the same safety net as everyone else?

[dflprincess]

16. Exactly (eom)

[Solon]

5. I would say yes, because they are truly that vile.

And I say this as an Ex-Catholic myself.

[Zynx]

If he doesn't, does that piss you off?

[ropi]

9. oh please..

here we go... yet again...

we're not asking obama to condemn the southern baptist convention..merely to rethink his choice of person to give an invocation. sheesh!

[ropi]

3. yes...

we are quite aware of how our dear pope feels about homosexuals and human rights. even the most hardline bishop would be a slap in the face. the CC (through their little KofC organization) is just as guilty as the other organizations for donating money to proposition 8.

[Solon]

6. Not just yes, but HELL YES! n/t

[mondo joe]

7. If he has to have clergy, why not smply have one who reflects the values Obama claims

to bring to office?

[Zynx]

11. Find me a relatively mainline religious figure that has views completely in line with

the Democratic Party.

[mondo joe]

14. I don't know ministers, but there are plenty of them. I'm sure he could find one

aligned with his views. It doesn't have to be a well known figure.

[mtnsnake]

10. I guess it all depends if the Catholic Bishop was as bigoted an asshole as Warren is

[JeffR]

12. If he were a bishop dedicated to endless televised self-aggrandizement

in addition to holding such primitive views, then yeah, sure.

For that matter, even if he were camera shy, I'd still be ticked.

[Honeycombe8]

15. Obama isn't Catholic. nt

[boppers]

18. He's also not whatevertheheckwarrenmadeup. nt

[Honeycombe8]

22. Obama and Warren are Protestant. nt

[boppers]

23. I thought Warren was more of the revivalist type.

I guess it depends on the taxonomy of Christian faith in use.

[Zynx]

25. So Baptist= Methodist= Anglican= Fundie?

That's a very ignorant thing to say.

[Honeycombe8]

28. You're reaching. I merely pointed out, in response to a "Catholic" suggestion...

and the poster who seemed not to understand that Obama and Warren are of the same ilk...that both Obama and Warren are Protestant, as distinguished from Catholic or Jewish or whatever else there is.

There is no fundamentalist faith. The broad categories are Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Hindu, Muslim.....and I don't know the rest. Fundamentalism is a loose self-identified group of people belonging to the Protestant branch. Fundamentalism is an ideology, not a church like Babtist or Methodist. At least that's my understanding.

Obama's church in Chicago was very strong. Not the typical namby pamby church that, for example, I went to. African Americans, I think, are very familiar with strong religious views, particularly in their pastors. They are more used to it than someone like I would be, I think.

[Zynx]

29. Protestant is so broad a category as to be meaningless.

There is relative uniformity in Catholic doctrine. There is no "Protestant" doctrine. There never has been and there certainly isn't now after the devolution of the mainline Protestant churches into the Charismatic and Pentecostal faiths.

[saltpoint]

19. My first choice for the Inaugural invocation is Bill Moyers.

Decidedly progressive, extremely high command of the language, a true Democrat from the word 'go,' resume creds from LBJ's Great Society, a Texan, and a certified Baptist minister.

Warren is also a Baptist, but he ain't got no Moyers creds.

[mmonk]

26. Depends on the Bishop.

One who carries on like Warren, yes I would have a problem with it.

[krabigirl]

27. Yep.