A month and a half after the election and (seemingly) most here oppose PE-Obama

[Syrinx]

What does that say?

[Political Tiger]

1. I don't know what it says

But I find it rather saddening.

Maybe the 8 years of pure frustration with Bush has made people a little too impatient? I mean, Obama has not even been sworn in yet but many people have already decided he is a failure and declared they won't vote for him in 2012.

[Syrinx]

8. yeah, I don't get it

I'm supporting the man. At least until he pulls a big F-UP! And I'd probably give him two. I believe in the man. I can't believe that people that believed in him would fold because of Rick effing Warren. It doesn't compute.

[Political Tiger]

34. I've got a feeling people are going to be bitching

about Obama no matter what he does. I think some people just like to bitch!

Doesn't really seem to matter what the issue is, some people just seem intent on causing a ruckus. Whether it's Hillary Clinton being picked to be SoS or Caroline Kennedy seeking to fill her seat, and everything in between, people seem to have this overriding urge to get mad and bitch!

In my view, there's a difference between bitching and criticizing. If you have a complaint about something, by all means criticize away! But more often than not all we see is people going around saying "F you" or "F him" or F off." What's the point? What does that solve?

[Pab Sungenis]

26. No, not a failure

just a typical Democratic politician who has now decided he doesn't need the people (liberals, gays) who helped him get the nomination, then helped him get elected.

[Political Tiger]

28. Since Obama is not even president yet

And has only been PE for 45 days, I think maybe it's a little premature to jump to that conclusion.

[Pab Sungenis]

30. Oh, really?

Inviting one of the most visible anti-gay preachers to "bless" his presidency? Shafting gays in his cabinet choices?

He's got a long way to go to regain our trusts. Bet he doesn't repeal DOMA either.

[Political Tiger]

36. Yes, Really.

I mean, you can assume the worse and get mad and stay mad for the next 4 - 8 years, but then they win. Or you can realize that Obama is just a human being who is going to make mistakes and that he is not going to be able to please 100% of the people 100% of the time and learn to deal with the disappointments and move on to the next chapter.

I accept Obama is just a man and that he is going to make mistakes and that I am not going to be happy about everything he does and that he's bound to make people mad on both sides, including me. But I believe that Obama is sincere about trying to bring the country together and if offending supporters like me helps heal this country, I can deal with it.

[cali]

2. I don't know that that's at all true.

I strongly condemn Obama's choice of Rick Warren to say the invocation. I also criticize some of his cabinet choices- while applauding others, and much else that Obama is doing.

[Syrinx]

6. I agree with you

Except the tone of DU has definitely been anti-Obama the last couple of days. I think the Warren thing has been completely blown out of proportion.

[Pab Sungenis]

27. Bull. It's not being blown out of proportion.

It's a slap in the face to every gay who voted for Obama. It really is the equivalent of asking the Grand Dragon of the Klan to speak.

[lapfog_1]

3. That he has made a mistake.

And if he corrects it and apologizes (ok, even if he doesn't apologize), we will be ready to forgive and forget and move on.

[davidpdx]

17. I disagree, even if he back out of the choice and admitted it was

wrong, he'd be grilled by most of the people who are angry now.

[lapfog_1]

23. Post a poll and find out.

I suspect that well over 65% would vote to forgive and forget. a lot higher if it comes with a sincere apology.

[last_texas_dem]

4. Criticism does not necessarily equal opposition.

[Turbineguy]

5. I don't think so.

It's those who oppose Obama who are vociferous.

Maybe the rest are just tired of arguing.

[snowbear]

7. No.. No... No... It is NOT "most here" ... Not at all !!!!!

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It's just that those who are verbal... are VERY verbal.

There are far more of us who don't bitch and moan everytime P/Elect Obama does something we may not agree with.

It's just that the majority of us don't knock out threads every 2 minutes.

And.... .. then you have your group who zap out one thread after another.

And really they're only oppossing him on one issue.

Still, overall there will always be far more who keep quiet here Syrinx.

It's just tough to tell...

[jonnyblitz]

11. there sure are plenty of you to bitch and moan when somebody

criticizes him. :crazy:

[snowbear]

13. Yesireebob

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And if anyone ever bitches and moans about johnnyblitz, we will defend you to the bitter end too!

[lamp_shade]

12. "Single Issue Purists" (another poster's description) n/t

[jonnyblitz]

14. yeah, loud mouth pesky homos like myself.

whose lives are just single, pet issues to you Obama followers.

[mtnester]

15. And you thought that was a great idea to repeat didjya?

Let me call my single issue son and his friends, my single issue uncle, my single issue cousin, another uncle (wait, I cannot call him, he committed suicide because of a single issue some years ago...oh WELL)






Do I NEED the dripping sarcasm emoticon or do you GET it now? Or, since it is a single issue, will you fuggedaboudit?

Wait, I may need this though:


:banghead:
:banghead:

[lamp_shade]

9. Most? No... about 45. n/t

[snowbear]

10. Less than that oppose him. And it's only on certain issues.

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[lamp_shade]

20. I based my number on a dozen or so warren-related, high-response polls I

observed over the last 24 hours or so. I think you're right though.

[LynneSin]

16. I don't know who the enemy is anymore - for all I know it's me

For 8 years, the entire life of DU we had one common enemy - George Bush & the Republicans.

Today I'm not sure who it is. Perhaps it's just best I stay in the lounge for awhile

[ropi]

18. it's not PE-Obama...

who we are opposing. It's his selection of Mr. Warren we are opposing.

Yes, we're tired of 8 years of B*sh. At least we know where we stood with him. PE-Obama, and his apologists, however, welcome our 'voices' as we have a right to them, but it's slowly being revealed to glbt persons exactly where we stand in his choices- fundies have a place. we don't!

You all can call it whining etc, but until it hits home for you and your rights, your friends rights, and the fact your very vote for a man who would invite such a character as Mr. Warren reveals that it's more of the same.

What does it say? It says more than you can imagine. It says that he openly invites those who would influence a vote to take away rights that were established in California from glbt persons to bless his presidency. It says that PE-Obama has no problem consorting with those who think that people I know are likened to pedophiles and such other nasty names Mr. Warren has said.

What does it say, you ask? It says we had HOPE. We had hope for his 'change' message. Oh yes, we know where he stood on gay marriage before the election, but we had hope that our voices would not be dismissed.

[wyldwolf]

19. you're OP is incorrect. The mob doesn't rule here

[Syrinx]

22. sorry

[wyldwolf]

25. that's ok. Sometimes it seems like the loudest talkers have the highest numbers

[JVS]

21. I don't like Rick Warren or some of the cabinet, but I support Obama very much!

Our choosing and electing him was not a mistake. He is better than all serious competitors.

[mwb970]

24. All I know is, I am sick and tired of these Warren threads.

We might as well bring back Jeremiah Wright. The moaning and gnashing of teeth seen here is really tiresome. And of course, anyone who says so gets flamed. Jeez. Why not just read FR? This place is getting to be a real drag now that we have won.

Are there other, less obsessive political discussion boards that are still fun to read and participate in? I'm in the market.

[Jennicut]

40. ONTD politics

There is still some fighting there but its done in a much much lighter tone. http://community.livejournal.com/ontd_political

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

29. I don't oppose Obama, I oppose his stupid choice to endorse a bigot at the inauguration

I'm pretty indifferent to Obama. I never thought he'd bring any hope and change. I just didn't think I'd be thrown under the bus AT the inauguration. I figured he'd wait awhile.

[MyNameGoesHere]

31. So Democrats don't lock step and bow down to the king?

Well isn't that special. It sure is nice to be able to criticize a president and have hope that he just might change his mind. How fucking refreshing from the previous "decider" huh?

[Bucky]

32. It says you don't think very clearly. "Most here oppose Obama" is kinda thick.

Seriously, have you seen anyone say they oppose Obama? They don't like his selection of a very conservative minister with a well established track record for opposing civil rights for the invocation at his inaugural.

Many DUers aren't supporting this selection. That doesn't mean they aren't supporting Obama. :banghead: Please use your brain.

[JI7]

33. i don't oppose Obama for President, i oppose his picking the whore Rick Warren

to speak at the inauguration.

[ddeclue]

35. That Obama is changing his tune after he got elected...

I assure you that it's NOT the people here who have changed.

[stillcool]

39. How has he changed his tune?

I don't think anyone has changed. Not him, and not the people here.

[bertman]

37. Syrinx, I think you're wrong that MOST here oppose him. A very vocal and angry minority

do, but MOST of us believe he is smart enough, moral enough, and politically savvy enough to do the right thing without giving up on important issues such as equality for gays and lesbians.

I don't agree with all of his choices so far, but I believe he is going to move America in the right direction. Probably not as fast as I would like, but what's new?

[Clio the Leo]

38. Actually.....

... if you go by the OPs posted it seems that way.

But look at the polls.

Some folks are just ... you know ... making more threads. ;)

[Marrah_G]

41. I don't oppose Obama- I vigorously oppose one of his decisions

And hope he changes his mind and apologizes for bieng so thoughtless.

[FrenchieCat]

42. It says that we are addicted to fast food, instant solutions, and

very little patience.

We want it, and we want it now...and it needs to be perfect in everyway, no matter the size.
Any wrong move, and we are outta here. Anything short of what is demanded is betrayal.