Obama doesn't give a shit about Gay folk

[snooper2]

ISSUE OBAMA MCCAIN
FIGHTING
DISCRIMINATION
Obama Supports Legislation to Outlaw
Employment Discrimination on the Basis of
Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity.
Obama Sponsored Fully Inclusive Non‐
Discrimination Bill In Illinois. He was a
champion of the bill for seven years, which
later passed after Obama had been elected to
the US Senate.
McCain Voted Against the Employment Non‐
Discrimination Act. McCain said “I don't
believe that belong in a special
category. <…> That's why I voted the way that I
did.”

ADOPTION
Obama Supports Full Adoption Rights for
Same Sex Couples. Obama believes that LGBT
people should have the same adoption rights
as heterosexuals.
McCain Opposed Gay Adoption. McCain said
“I don’t believe in gay adoption.”

DEFENSE OF
MARRIAGE ACT
Obama Supports Complete Repeal of DOMA.
Obama believes we need to fully repeal the
Defense of Marriage Act and enact legislation
that would ensure that the 1,100+ federal legal
rights and benefits currently provided on the
basis of marital status are extended to samesex
couples in civil unions and other legallyrecognized
relationships.
McCain Continues to Defend DOMA. McCain
voted for passage of the Defense of Marriage
Act in 1996, which denies federal legal rights
and benefits to same‐sex couples, and he
continues to defend that discriminatory law to
this day.

MARRIAGE
AMENDMENTS
Obama Voted Against a Federal Amendment
to Ban Same‐Sex Marriage. Obama sided with
the vast majority of Democrats opposing
attempts by the Republican leadership to bring
up a vote on a constitutional amendment to
ban same sex‐marriage
Obama Opposes Discriminatory Constitutional
Amendments. Obama “opposes all divisive
and discriminatory Constitutional
amendments, state or federal.” This includes
the proposed amendments In California,
Arizona and Florida.
McCain “Proud” to Have Led an Effort to Ban
Same‐Sex Marriage and Civil Unions In
Arizona. McCain said “I'm proud to have led
an effort in my home state to change our state
Constitution to protect the sanctity of marriage
between man and woman.”
McCain Supports the California Gay Marriage
Ban. In an e‐mail to protectmarriage.com,
McCain said “I support the efforts of the
people of California to recognize marriage as a
unique institution between a man and a
woman, just as we did in my home state.”
McCain Says He Would Sign the Federal
Marriage Amendment into Law. When asked
if he would sign the federal marriage
amendment if elected President, McCain
replied, “of course,” although he voted against
the amendment in the Senate.

ISSUE OBAMA MCCAIN
RELATIONSHIP
RECOGNITION
Obama Supports Civil Unions that Confer “the
Equivalent Legal Rights as a Marriage
License.” Obama said, “I am a strong
supporter of civil unions…But I also believe that
civil unions have to have the equivalent legal
rights as a marriage license…Right now, there
are about 1,200 legal rights that are available
to married couples that aren't available to
same‐sex couples, even if the state recognizes
civil unions…And that's not fair ‐ that's
discriminatory, and it's going to need to
change.”
McCain Opposes Civil Unions

HIV/AIDS
PREVENTION
Obama Voted for Increased Funding for AIDS
Drug Assistance.
Obama Worked to Reauthorize the Ryan
White Act. Obama worked to reauthorize the
Ryan White CARE Act, one of the largest
sources of federal funds for primary health
care and support services for HIV/AIDS
patients.
McCain Voted Against Increased Funding for
AIDS Prevention and Treatment. McCain
voted against increased funding for AIDS drug
assistance and increased funding for the Ryan
White CARE Act.

GAYS IN THE
MILITARY
Obama Supports Repealing Don’t Ask, Don’t
Tell. Obama believes we need to repeal the
“Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy and allow all
servicemembers to serve openly. Obama will
work with military leaders to repeal the current
policy and ensure we accomplish our national
defense goals.
McCain Believes that Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell is
Working. McCain said “I believe that the don't
ask, don't tell policy is working in the military.”
McCain said LGBT People Present an
“Intolerable Risk.” In a 2007 letter, McCain
said that the law, “unambiguously maintains
that open homosexuality within the military
services presents an intolerable risk to morale,
cohesion and discipline.”

HATE CRIMES
Obama Passed Law in Illinois to Identify Hate
Crimes, add “Conspiracy Against Civil Rights”
to Hate Crimes Statute
Obama Said He Will Enact Federal Hate Crimes
Legislation. In an open letter to LGBT voters
Obama said, “I will place the weight of my
administration behind the enactment of the
Matthew Shepard Act to outlaw hate crimes
and pass a fully inclusive Employment Non‐
Discrimination Act to outlaw workplace
discrimination on the basis of sexual
orientation and gender identity.”
McCain Repeatedly Voted Against
Strengthening Federal Hate Crimes Legislation
to Include Gender Identity and Sexual
Orientation. McCain voted against adding
sexual orientation to federal hate crimes
legislation in 2000, 2002 and 2004.



Oh, and if you actually read down this far....
95% of Americans have no idea what DU is, 95% of Americans have no idea what a freeptard is, and 95% of Americans have no idea who Rick Warren is.....

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[bluestateguy]

2. Obama owes gays and lesbians big time

If he comes through on actual policies that are favorable to gays and lesbians, then I think this Warren thing will be forgotten as a mere misguided PR gaffe.

Policies matter most to people's lives. LBJ used racist epithets in private conversations, while he was president, even as he was passing the most ambitious civil rights program in history. Racist banter should always be condemned, but in the end what matters most? His policies or his private rantings? What do you think mattered more to black people?

[mmonk]

3. What makes you so sure people don't know who he is?

And why is what you have listed a justification concerning Warren?

[AllentownJake]

4. because people haven't moved out of campain mode

and into policy mode yet where you can disagree with a democratic elected official and still be a strong supporter when election time roles around again.

[sharp_stick]

7. I don't think Obama

has actually enacted any policy yet so how can you disgree with something that does not yet exist.

I'm personally going to wait until he's in office to start bitching but some people don't seem to like the down time between November and January as much as I do.

[AllentownJake]

8. Symbolism is Policy

[sharp_stick]

11. I disagree

symbolism, is symbolism. Politics, is the ability to pretend that you can listen to all points of view and then make a decision even though it is more simply boiled down to an imposition of the will.

Obama will not, IMO, be making policy before he takes office in any sense, before then it's nothing more than a show. He comes out before taking office and yammers on and on about being all inclusive and the like. I still remember shrubbs first appointment and all the talk of working across the aisle, and being so humbled by the opportunity. Shrub, being a total asshole and piece of shit had that last until the last week of January. I think Obama will be a lot more inclusive of the pukes than they deserve but his policy decisions don't start until he takes office.

Until he takes office, I give him a lot of rope.

[Shiver]

18. What's the symbolism of Rev. Joseph Lowery?

If Warren is symbolic, then why isn't Lowery - a man who was in the trenches during the most violent moments of the civil rights movements of the 60's, and is a vehement supporter of gay rights?

It's an honest question.

[mondo joe]

19. The equivalent of putting Colmes on with Hannity.

Fair and balanced. *cough*

[AllentownJake]

21. DING DING DING

We have a winner.

[cwydro]

5. K and R. nt

[cliffordu]

6. K&R but ya gotta watch yourself,

Ya bring truth into this conversation at your own peril.

[cwydro]

14. Lol.

Thanks for the warning.B-)

[PerpetuallyDazed]

9. Considering 20 million copies of his book has sold world wide...

it might be a bit less than 95%.

[MyUserNameIsBroken]

12. For the Record, most Fundie book sales

Are institutional. Organizations who want to promote the agenda buy large lots up at discount to keep them on the best seller lists. Some are given to members, but a lot just end up in landfills. That's why crap like the Left Behind books do so well in sales; the sales don't equate to readers, though.

We now return to our regularly scheduled DU slugfest.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

10. If he's really in favor of civil rights, he'll be man enough to back out of the Warren mistake nt

[Clio the Leo]

13. Yeah, 'cause the First Amendment doesn't apply to Inauguration Ceremonies. NT

[Maven]

15. That's a bullshit RW strawman argument

[mondo joe]

17. Not a first amendment issue. BS alert.

[last1standing]

16. A lot of nice words but his actions are showing something different.

Warren gives the invocation and there is no place for the GLBT community in Obama's cabinet. It's easy to talk but I'm paying attention to his actions.

[phleshdef]

22. No you aren't paying attention because the OP gave examples of ACTIONS

Legislative actions.

Go back and actually read it and then tell me you are paying attention because from that response its apparent that you are turning a blind eye to any information that proves your point of view on Obama and his support for gays rights wrong.

[last1standing]

23. Fuck your condensending attitude. I did read it.

And I was talking about his actions NOW, not years ago. If you can't understand that then it proves my point about ignorant straights who can't be bothered to care about others.

[phleshdef]

24. It doesn't prove your point at all. Even now he also has a pro-gay rights minister participating....

...and you said it was all words and not actions in your post that I replied to. Meaning you were ignoring all the actions that were spelled out in the OP, which means you were talking out of your ass and now you are trying to back track.

And it wasn't YEARS ago, he was in the Illinois state senate right before he began his first term in the US Senate. I'm not sure if there was any pro-gay rights legislation to sign during that time, but you can bet your ass he would have supported it. He has been preaching pro-gay rights the entire campaign so there is ZERO reason to think he would suddenly stop supporting legislations that he always supported before and continued to campaign on supporting. Well unless you step outside the bounds of common sense...

[1awake]

26. wtf...

..ignorant straights..

[Creideiki]

20. He's already backed away

from DADT and DOMA repeals.

How about if you hold your breath and wait until he does something for people who helped get him elected.

Don't worry, I know CPR.

[spanone]

25. bs

[Mass]

27. And your point is? Obama is better than McCain. I thought this was a given for all of us,

except may be a couple of people.

Does that mean we have to agree with everything he says or does? If not, what is the point you are making? Just the need to add a new ranting thread?


So, sorry if it bothers you that some of us may think that Rick Warren is not a choice we like, both on a women' right and GLBT right POV. Of course, it may be better than choosing Pat Robertson, but that does not make it a good choice. (Or is there no evangelist preacher who has some notion of tolerance.