No F**king Compromise on Warren!!!!

[percussivemadness]

I am straight and English so lets get that out of the way initially...

I choose to live here because of what I believe, namely America is a country made up of fundamentally decent human beings. For the last 8 years, I have witnessed the ugly side of America. It is a characteristic I don`t find pleasant, however it is one I can certainly identify. Simply put, it is bigotry. I watched as a percentage of Americans cheered "shock and awe", or the murder of people of brown coloured skin. I watched and became outraged as a percentage of Americans sat back and did nothing whilst people of brown coloured skin floated in the streets of New Orleans in the aftermath of Katrina.For the last 8 years, I have seen atrocity after atrocity committed in the name of America, both on people abroad and here in the USA, by the same percentage of Americans.

From their leader down, these Americans commit/condone these acts in the name of their God, a God that Warren represents. This evil God, who thrives on hate, bigotry, murder and death. This evil God is not my God, a god of love, tolerance, hope and light. Warren represents this evil God who has guided Bush for the last 8 years. Warren represents this evil god who has been cited to justify the amount of atrocities done by human beings against human beings. Warren represents this evil God who thrives on division and bigotry.

I understand the argument that Obama wants to "bring the country together". However, Obama forgets that the majority of the American public rejected the old way. They rejected the politics of death and destruction, politics that have been justified in the name of a God more representative of Satan . His inauguration should be a moment of light, should be a moment of love, should be a moment of hope, yet by allowing Warren to speak, he has allowed darkness to permeate this.

The LGTB community has a right to be outraged by this, however, so do the straight community. This is not simply about a "pastor" saying a prayer, it is about what this pastor represents. It is not up to me to make a concession to the evangelical right, they have never made a concession to me. I have no obligation to the evangelical right, because the have committed acts in my name that I don`t agree with and questioned my character when I questioned their actions. There is no compromise with the evangelical right and I didn`t campaign for Obama to elect a man of compromise, I elected Obama to make a stand in the face of the rampant evil that has permeated our society.

The people spoke when Obama was elected. I don`t care if some deranged lunatic gets offended because Warren doesn`t speak, I don`t care if those people who cheered 8 years of death and destruction aren`t represented. There is no compromise here, none whatsoever, and no one, be they straight, gay, black or brown should be forced to rationalise this choice of Obama. I know this is a rather dramatic analogy, but should Nixon have allowed James Earl Ray to have spoken at his inauguration? After all, Ray "represented" the views of many Americans.

On January 20th, there should be no representation of bigotry and hate at the inauguration and I for one will not compromise on this critical point. If Obama chooses to stand next to evil so be it, if Obama chooses to give evil a voice so be it, but he will not be the man I believed him to be.

[MADem]

1. Obama never lied about his viewpoint. He does NOT SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE.

It's why I wasn't a fan of his, to be honest. I'm not gay but I have gay friends and relatives. I thought he targeted the homophobic vote, actually.

I didn't like the way he went AFTER the religious people who use the Bible to justify hatred, homophobia and gay marriage bans, using closeted gay preachers like Donnie McClurkin and Kirbyjon Caldwell. That was DELIBERATE and calculated. That "Gospel Tour" was designed to rile up the religious haters and give them a reason to vote for him.

I will say one thing in Obama's favor--he never lied about how he felt. He is opposed to gay marriage. He's said it dozens of times. Over, and over, and over again.

No one believed him, apparently, when he said that--they thought "Awww, the brother just HAS to be ****LIBERAL**** on this issue, he's just pretending to get elected."

Er...no. He wasn't pretending. He's NOT "liberal" on this issue. He's sitting right beside GWB on this matter. He meant it. He doesn't think gay people should be able to get married.

I guess from now on, people will start to realize that when he says it, he apparently means it.

[girl gone mad]

2. However, he did say that he was against bigotry and intolerance of gays.

Picking an intolerant bigot is a betrayal.

[Thrill]

3. Has Warren ever said he hates Gays? Or is he just against Gay Marriage

[Bluebear]

4. Warren will not let gays join his church. He says we are equal to child molesters.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4673218&mesg_id=4673218

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4680598&mesg_id=4680598

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. Hmmm

He's not even a good fundy...

If he's consistent he shouldn't let anybody who has sex outside of marriage in his church because the Bible condemns (all) of it...

[crappyjazz]

7. Warren LOVES the homos

he gives out water and donuts to them ... it's a beautiful thing really

[JoFerret]

12. He hates gays

Without a doubt.
The man is a bigot.
Obama is not. But on this issue he has tin ears.
Too bad.
This is a very unnecessary and very painful affront.
Moral appeasement at best.

[DCBob]

14. FWIW, here is some stuff from Wikipedia on Warren...

Though maintaining traditional evangelical positions on issues such as abortion and gay marriage, Warren has challenged the conservative views of many evangelical leaders by devoting less attention to these issues and instead calling on the church to focus its efforts on fighting international poverty and disease, expanding educational opportunity for the marginalized, and combatting global warming.
<snip>
Warren has worked to shift the evangelical movement away from a narrow focus on social issues, such as abortion and gay marriage, to a broader social agenda. His five-point plan for global action calls for church-led efforts to tackle global poverty and disease, including the spread of HIV/AIDS, and to support literacy and education efforts around the world. In February 2006, he signed a statement backing a major initiative to combat global warming, thus breaking with some of the U.S.'s high-profile evangelical leaders, such as James Dobson, who had opposed such a move.<2>

Warren has been invited to speak at national and international forums including the United Nations, the World Economic Forum in Davos, the African Union, the Council on Foreign Relations, Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government, TED, and Time’s Global Health Summit.

Warren was named one of "America's Top 25 Leaders" in the October 31, 2005 issue of U.S. News and World Report.<3> Warren was elected by TIME magazine as one of 15 World Leaders Who Mattered Most in 2004 and one of the "100 Most Influential People in the World" (2005).<4> Newsweek magazine called him one of "15 People Who Make America Great", an award given to people who, through bravery or generosity, genius or passion, devote themselves to helping others.<5>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Warren
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This might help explain why Obama feels how he does about this guy. Not at all condoning the ugly comments he has made but there does appear to be a good side to this dude.

[MADem]

8. Well, if you don't support gay marriage, you support bigotry, intolerance, and denial of federal

benefits based solely on gender and orientation.

He's trying to play a game with cute words, but he's supporting discrimination. And that's with, or without, that glutton Pastor Rick by his side.

[JoFerret]

10. But will he now support / provide a platform for BIGOTRY?

I always knew he was wishy washy on gay rights. I chose to let that be. But this is an ACTIVE step toward allowing bigotry. Why should anyone be quiet for that?

[MADem]

19. I don't think they should be quiet.

I wasn't quiet about this issue way back during the South Carolina primary. His active solicitation of homophobe votes was the "tipping point" that made me unable to support him in the primary. I caught an earful for being forceful and unyielding on the issue. I didn't like the using of Caldwell and McClurkin to dogwhistle the gayhating evangelicals to GOTV for Obama. I thought it was wrong, and said so. I think the people who told me "Aww, he doesn't really mean all that" owe me an apology, frankly. Some of them were pretty vicious! By his actions, yes, it would seem that he DOES really mean all that!

[Tesha]

16. Warren *ISN'T* just about "gay marriage"

Warren opposes women's reproductive rights, believing that abortion
should be banned.

Warren opposes women's rights *IN GENERAL*, believing that women
*MUST BE SUBSERVIENT* to men.

He seems like a nice guy, but he represents *EVERYTHING* that we
just voted strongly against: a view that America should be a Christian
fundamentalist theocracy.

That Obama chose him* as the invocation speaker was a direct slap
at several different contingencies, without *ANY ONE OF WHOM*,
Obama would not have been elected. We voted for him, and now
he's telling us to piss off, to suck on it and like it.

Change we can believe in indeed!

Tesha


*And don't hand me any of this shit about him being the
choice of some nebulous "Inauguration Committee"; if Obama
didn't approve, Warren wouldn't be speaking.

[MADem]

17. He's an affable asshole, make no mistake. Pleasantly evil, if that's possible.

Obama is not a victim of some committee decision. This is purposeful. And pretty sad.

[Tesha]

20. "Pleasantly evil" -- thanks, that's it, and I'll try and remember that turn of a phrase! (NT)

[scheming daemons]

5. In other words.... No More Mister Nice Gay

Just kidding.


(I know I'm going to regret this post)

[No Elephants]

21. No, you are correct. Few oppressed groups have gotten anywhere without confrontation of some kind.

[leftstreet]

6. "there should be no representation of bigotry and hate at the inauguration"

:thumbsup:

[percussivemadness]

9. :)

[Kurska]

11. So much In agreeance it isn't even funny

[percussivemadness]

15. amen :)

[avaistheone1]

18. I am straight too and I agree

there is no compromising on Bigot Warren. No way. No how.

[BeFree]

22. O h yeah

Ok, so the only alternative, and the only fix you leave available, is war. What do you suggest? We round them up and put them in camps? We do unto them as they might, maybe, one day, do unto us?

Seriously, what do you suggest we do, if there can be no compromise?

America has done some real evil shit, along with some really good stuff, and we all want to quit doing the bad stuff, but the reality is we have to take the good with the bad.

Since we can't even friggin agree on fully supporting the best prez we've had since FDR, the future looks like more of the same.

[lostnotforgotten]

23. Straight Here As Well And I Am Beyond Outraged

eom

[zulchzulu]

24. Warren AND Lowery are going to be at the Inaugural ceremony

It's going to happen.

I disagree with Warren as a choice, but he's going to do the invocation, which lasts for about a minute. Lowery will do the benediction at the end, which will last about a minute.

Turn the TV on or off whenever you want.

Giving Warren more attention than he deserves is EXACTLY what he wants. If you want him to get more people to buy his books, DVDs, go to his web site and give him free press, by all means help him out. Warren thanks you for giving him free press and extra attention. Protest more! Write Letters to the Editor! Blog your ass off about him! Better yet, demonize him so that half wits who don't even know who he is find out about him! Free press! GREAT for Warren!

Me? Fuck Warren and the horse he rode in on. I'll give Lowery more attention instead.

[EndElectoral]

25. Shame on you Pres. Obama for allowing intolerance to be the voice of the invocation.It's inexcusable

It's not even just the gay issue, but look at Warren's stances on choice, and stem cell research among so many others.

I am ashamed of this choice. It's offensive to me, and while I can forgive, I am deeply dissapointed in Obama that he lacks the courage to correct his first big mistake.