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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:34 PM
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Are Obama's "New" Politics Really New?

Are Obama's "New" Politics Really New?

By Greg Sargent - December 19, 2008, 2:25PM

Glenn Greenwald has an interesting post about the Rick Warren mess, which he uses as a jumping off point to argue that Barack Obama's "new" politics isn't really new at all.

Greenwald's basic point is that Obama's efforts to placate the right by picking Warren -- and the effort to get the left to scream that pundits have claimed was behind the decision -- isn't really different from the bait-the-left politics that Democrats have practiced for decades now. And they simply haven't worked.

As proof, he points out that Bill Clinton all but perfected the art of baiting the left and throwing cultural bones to the right, and all he got to show for it from Republicans was "hatred so undiluted that it led to endless investigations" and "accusations whose ugliness was boundless."

That's true. But there is an important way that Obama's politics is new, and the landscape is different from 1992 in key ways that give him an opening to use his own brand of politics to disarm the right and potentially clear the way for big progressive achievements.

Warning: I'm making this case at some length.

As this blog argued recently, one thing Obama's victory represented was a potential death blow to the 1960s-rooted cultural politics that has held sway for the last four decades of the 20th Century. It's telling that Obama defeated both of the leading practitioners of this brand of politics -- the Clinton machine, and the Rovians who hijacked the McCain campaign -- by explicitly running against politics as they practiced it.

Obama won the primary, and in the general election he succeeded in disarming the power of the right's narratives by employing not just a standard claim that he's above partisanship, but by making a new political argument: Only someone who had not gotten caught up in the cultural and political wars of the 1960s could achieve the sort of transformation of our politics that this historical moment demands.

It's true that in a narrow sense, efforts to placate the right by picking Warren doesn't represent a "new" politics, as Greenwald says. But the Warren mess aside, Obama is and has been making a larger argument than simply saying that partisanship is bad and that we need to unify.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:42 PM
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1. I said/typed it from the get go, Obama reminds me of Bill Clinton, a LOT.
I like Clinton and I like Obama.

I just thought that with a FAR more liberal congress behind him than Clinton had, Obama wouldn't have to pull this crap.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:43 PM
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2. Nothing about Obama reminds me of Clinton.
Edited on Fri Dec-19-08 03:44 PM by ProSense
Nothing.


On edit, the piece in the OP also makes an important distinction.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 07:26 PM
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5. He tries to accommodate too many people that should not be accommodated.
It's as if he wants everybody to like him.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:46 PM
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3. Confucious say
Man who slaps friends to be popular with enemies ends up with no friends at all.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 04:01 PM
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4. Here's another saying:
Don't cut off your nose to spite your face.

Warren's choice is a complete disappointment and he doesn't deserve to be given this high-profile position. Having said that, elected officials are going to disappoint one person or another by their actions. They should be called to task and held accountable, but it wasn't long ago that Obama was held up to all the politicians out there and was deemed by many to be the best hope for change and the future. If the Warren decision causes anyone to feel they have been bamboozled, and Obama is unwilling to uninvite him, there is nothing much that can be done about that at this moment. Obama has yet to take office. Still, something down the road could change the disappointment back to hope. Who knows?

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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 12:37 AM
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6. What happens the first day after one wins an election?
They immediately start campaigning for "re-election." Obama is now unofficially running for his second term. You either trust him or you don't. Make up your mind now because you are going to see more of the same of this type of maneuvering, so you might be better off today establishing your position on it and then sticking to it.

Sam
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VADem11 Donating Member (783 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 01:20 AM
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7. Not really
I never really bought Obama's rhetoric about a new type of politics and I'm a huge supporter of him. To me, Obama was basically saying that he wanted to get stuff done without a huge amount of bitter partisanship. It's not necessarily a remarkable thing. And I don't think Obama is as big a triangulator as Clinton ever was though. At least Obama didn't try to rebrand the Democratic party as new and improved.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 02:03 AM
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8. You know what?
No one has any clue what Obama will or will not accomplish. Whether or not people want to acknowledge it, he ran a campaign that inspired a lot of people to demand something different: change (the disappointment and anger over the past several weeks is evidence of that). He was mocked and ridiculed for it. He has an opportunity unlike any other in a few generations. There are people waiting for him to fulfill his promise, and others hoping he falls short. If he doesn't deliever, he'll be mocked and ridiculed for it.

No one will know if he can deliver, and no one is likely to know that 30 days from now when he begins the journey to prove himself and implement his vision.

My feeling is that he's going to try is his best (see his campaign) to prove the doubters wrong.





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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 02:09 AM
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9. Obama needs to remember that republicans will never be his friends.
They can be reasoned with (to a degree) but never should he trust any of them.
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