Did any of your trashing O note that his labor secretary stated one of her goal is to fight for gay

[Windy]

rights in the workplace?????? Gee, what other president in our history has ever added that to his agenda for governance???

My God... its a ONE minute PRAYER!!! Get a grip!!!

[leftstreet]

1. Then maybe she should give the invocation?

[ellacott]

4. Most folks never even knew what an invocation was until this drama

Not it's more important than Obama's oath of office.

[crappyjazz]

18. Is that so?

Thank goodness we've been edumacated ... :eyes:

[Lyric]

2. I bet she "has a gay friend" too.

:eyes:

[QC]

8. Better! A lesbian sister who gets to determine which issues matter and which don't! n/t

[billyoc]

3. Hilda Solis is AWESOME!

The Warren choice is bitterly disappointing to me, but he'll be booed and gone in 2 minutes. Solis will effect real change in the Labor Department. :woohoo:

[crappyjazz]

5. Grip this

[Windy]

9. The level of hatred and immaturity on DU the last few days is just so disappointing.

This is what we are reduced to? focusing on one issue and trashing the first opportunity this country has had for reform in decades?

Some of you are no better than the right wing ideologues on the other side!

[LeftCoast]

43. How immature of me to be upset

I mean, Rick Warren only helped to destroy my marriage...why should I be upset?

[last1standing]

6. Yay! More words! I'll sleep better tonight, now.

:eyes:

[musette_sf]

7. i'm not trashing O

i am speaking out for equality and justice.

and yes, i know about Hilda Solis. great. but it's still wrong to reward a bigot with a place of honor in the inaugural, only enforcing the idea that bigotry is okay.

[rpannier]

10. Bill Clinton tried to allow openly gay people to serve

That was in 1993.
It failed, but he did try.

As to your post...Will Obama spend a lot of political capital on this issue if it starts to go south on him?

Gays in the Military (and I was in the service in 1993) was a hot-button issue in the service.
Clinton did use a lot of political capital on it and it damaged the early stages of his presidency.
But at least he made the effort

[Starry Messenger]

11. Who is trashing Obama?

The strongest post I've seen on the subject said he might be enabling homophobes, which is just a statement of fact. And your post is hardly calculated to settle the tone, if that was your purpose.

[saracat]

12. It is not just a "one minute prayer" ! It is public recognition and an act of "respect

for Warren at a State Occasion! But I guess you are okay with paying him respect "honoring " him, and also okay that he address God in the name of the United States.

[AllentownJake]

15. Wow we are on the same side on an issue

Who would have thought that would ever happened?

[saracat]

17. Had to happen. I have always been ardently pro Gay marriage, support civil rights for all

and have always been a feminist. Civil Rights are Human Rights. And at the end of the day, I voted for Obama too!:hi:

[AllentownJake]

20. I'm finding I have more in common with people I've argued alot on here

than some people I've agreed with the past 10 months since I joined these past 3 days. I guess not long till I'm part of the enemy with them.

:hi:

[Sebastian Doyle]

13. While that's good to know

It's expected that a Labor secretary would uphold Democratic values, as being pro-labor IS a Democratic value.

However, so is supporting sustainable family farming, and growing healthy food, not Frankenstein-mutated crap and high fructose corn poison. Which can we expect from Vilsack?

Ray LaHood has supported the right wing agenda straight down the line. Is he really going to be supportive of 21st century transportation solutions, or will he be content with "hybrid" Escalades driving on highways privatized to Halliburton?

How do Robert Gates and Hillary "Obliteration" Clinton send the message to the rest of the world that we REJECT the neonazi foreign policy of PNAC?

Rick Warren is not THE problem. He's the symptom of a much larger problem.

[DevonRex]

14. That is fantastic. And she has the clout to do it. I just love Hilda.

It probably won't be good enough, though, to quiet the crowd.

[pecwae]

16. Did you shave a minute off that prayer?

Obviously, you don't support those here who feel betrayed. Some day you'll feel the same about an issue and hopefully there will be someone who feels enough compassion to stand with you.

[NorthCarolina]

19. I suspect Obama will work to enact hate crimes legislation protecting GLBT Americans right away

and then DOMA and DADT will be put aside until the campaigning for the 2012 election begins in earnest.

[glowing]

21. Get a grip, its only bigotry and hate, get a grip. I mean at least he's not

a racist or anti-semetic.. I mean, really, get a grip.

[nichomachus]

22. If it's only an insignificant one-minute prayer

then Obama should just cancel it altogether. No one will miss it. Just one minute. Insignificant. No one will mind. Right?

[Frustratedlady]

23. Thank you! This outrage is insane!

Give Obama a chance.

Look at all he has fought against to get to the place he is. His life has been on the line and will be throughout his presidency.

This country is in serious trouble and a short piece spoken by a perceived enemy is small compared to what is ahead of us. Your time will come, but put it in perspective.

Jeez!

[Raster]

32. I bet your straight, right?

How 'bout we have a straight-hatin' gay minister offer the invocation? Will that be fine with you? You will of course just sit there and shut up, just like a good light straight person, right? No skin off your nose, eh?

[Frustratedlady]

34. I am straight, yes. I am elderly and have seen a lot in my lifetime.

I am also accepting of those around me. I also know this world does not revolve around me. I also believe in live and let live. I also believe that there are many who are wrong to feel the way they do about gays and Lesbians, and I hate it when I see prejudice. BUT, we all have to learn to live and work together. AND, for your information, I do not like or approve of mega-evangelists. I have friends and relatives who are gay/Lesbian. Are you saying I have to change my sexual preference to be accepted by gays and Lesbians? Then you'd better tell my friends and relatives to stand clear of me. I'm poison in your book.

How sad.

[Raster]

37. No, I did not say you have to change your sexual preference.

I am saying that since it appears to be fine and "live and let live" that a gay-hating, homophobic, H8-filled minister offer the Inaugural invocation, perhaps it's OK to have a straight-hatin', heterophobic gay minister offer the benediction. I mean after all, good for the goose...

And I ask if you were straight, because too many straight people just don't get it. We GLBT persons are HATED, BEATEN, RAPED, ABUSED and KILLED because of our sexual orientation that we did not choose nor can we change. To GLBT persons, INVITING a homophobic, gay-hating minister to lead a prayer at Obama's Inauguration is tantamount to inviting the KKK Grand Dragon to lead the prayer, and just as insulting.

[yardwork]

45. A perceived enemy? Are you familiar with the things that Rick Warren has done?

[wryter2000]

24. There's a difference

There's a difference between speaking out about having a well-known homophobe participate in the inauguration and trashing Obama.

[AllentownJake]

25. Why is disagreeing with a decision trashing Obama?

[Hansel]

38. Good question.

Anyone? :shrug:

[mtnester]

26. So, if it is only a one minute prayer

Then Rick Warren won't mind at all if Obama tells him he won't be giving it, correct? I mean, it should be no big whoop for Obama to call him up and say "Hey man, changed my mind, maybe next time"

[Stinky The Clown]

27. Bullshit

Why is criticizing what many see as a plain old bad choice seen as "trashing O"?

Maybe it is inoffensive to YOU, but to many it IS a big deal.

Back off. No one is stupid and most probably already know what she said.

[ananda]

28. It's a one minute slap in the face to those..

.. who believe in equal rights, tolerance,
and inclusion..

.. and it's a slap that will ring forever.

[BigDDem]

29. Another "fierce advocate?" woo hoo!

[Ozma]

30. Thanks for pointing this out! It was historic. n/t

[Deja Q]

31. Make love, not war, the whiners should be gripping each other instead of griping.

[yardwork]

46. Ugh. That's one of the most repulsive things I've ever read. Ick. Yuck.

That was gross.

[w4rma]

33. Judging from the responses, many DUers who prioritize gay rights don't care about labor rights. (nt)

[mondo joe]

40. Only in your small mind are the two at odds.

[w4rma]

41. I did not say the issues were at odds. What I said was entirely different. Don't twist my words.(nt)

[mondo joe]

48. Then explain your ridiculous smear, and produce evidence.

[yardwork]

47. Care to provide some evidence for that slam?

[dsc]

35. I am glad she is doing that

but she should since she got the job over a more qualified gay person (Mary Beth Maxwell).

[mmonk]

36. Is criticizing always trashing?

Or is it just disagreeing with a particular decision?

[mondo joe]

39. Obama appointed Condi Rice, so his Katrina response has nothing to do with racism?

By your ass backwards excuse for logic.

[madmadmad]

42. you fucking get a grip! how about our fucking president fighting for gay rights?

gee, maybe a president who came out against bigots and homophobia rather than supporting them, might have a bigger impact than a fucking labor secretary doing so.

[Bucky]

49. Silent, you supporter of 2nd class citizens!

Back to your little pink cages with you!

  *k-snap*

It's time for you to start raising money for the 2010 cycle!

[bluedawg12]

44. Does he really need you all defending him? he can handle his bad choices.