Your marriage is not in danger and you know it!

[ronnykmarshall]

I was told that yesterday.

Oh yeah?


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/12/19/state/n150241S64.DTL&tsp=1

Prop. 8 sponsors seek to nullify 18K gay marriages


The sponsors of Proposition 8 asked the California Supreme Court on Friday to nullify the marriages of the estimated 18,000 same-sex couples who exchanged vows before voters approved the ballot initiative that outlawed gay unions.

The Yes on 8 campaign filed a brief arguing that because the new law holds that only marriages between a man and a woman are recognized or valid in California, the state can no longer recognize the existing same-sex unions.

"Proposition 8's brevity is matched by its clarity. There are no conditional clauses, exceptions, exemptions or exclusions," reads the brief co-written by Pepperdine University law school dean Kenneth Starr, the former independent counsel who investigated President Bill Clinton.

The campaign submitted the document in response to three lawsuits seeking to invalidate Proposition 8, a constitutional amendment adopted last month that overruled the court's decision in May that briefly legalized gay marriage in the nation's most populous state.

[grantcart]

1. please keep us informed -- I can't see this gaining the Court's approval

BTW do you have updates on the legal challenges to Proposition 8 ?

[ronnykmarshall]

5. They are making their way through the courts.

If they overturn Prop 8, this will propbably be thrown out.

If not and they void our marriages. It's back to the battle.

We were warned that we could be in legal limbo for years.

What really pisses me off is that if and when it's legal again .... we'll probably have to get married AGAIN!

[Solon]

2. I'm so sorry you have to go through this shit.

I really have no words. :( :hug:

[LooseWilly]

3. It makes me embarrassed to be Californian

There just aren't any other words... that this can even come to pass...

Hopefully the judges remain as un-stupid as they were when they overturned the discriminatory law in the first place.

[Ohio Joe]

4. They are like the freakin terminator

They. Simply. Will. Not. Stop.

I am so sorry, I can't imagine how I would feel if someone wanted to make my marriage void by law.

[Neshanic]

6. My oh my, you gay people get so worried over nothing. Just a speech.

[rucky]

7. What a bunch of horrible, sorry excuses for human beings.

[Starry Messenger]

8. Oh, ronny.

This is horrible. What a fucking nightmare. This thing is like the Death Star.

[Neshanic]

9. Waiting for the 'winning their hearts people" response. *tapping fingers on desk*

[ronnykmarshall]

12. I'd like the person that told me my marriage wasn't in danger to respond.

But I have a feeling we'll be tapping our desks so long we'll drill finger holes in them.

[Neshanic]

13. Yes where is this person so they can explain their solid belief?

[Bluebear]

10. Rick Warren is only singing ONE SONG, OK?

Or ONE PRAYER. Or, whatever. It's not like your marriage is in jeopardy.

[jonnyblitz]

17. A Pastor At A Party Is NOT A POLICY!!1

*hiccup*

[Bluebear]

21. Pass the gin.

[Neshanic]

26. Ya know Bluebear, it gets old telling people not to stick their arm in the cage.

Sometimes they just gotta do it, and you have to watch.

[Neecy]

11. but we get to be in the parade!

Sorry if that sounded flip...this is actually very embittering.

This whole situation gets sorrier and sorrier. You know we all have our fingers crossed for you.

[polichick]

19. That parade remark was incredibly rude and insensitive - I'm sorry he said it.

[QC]

40. Maybe one of us will get to do Michelle's hair!

[and-justice-for-all]

14. If someones same-sex marriage broke up your hetor-marriage...

then your marriage was already in the shitter to begin with.

Marriage is not that sacred, otherwise the divorce rate would not be astronomical and there would not be Vegas drive thru weddings. So they can take their 'sanctity of marriage' bullshit and shove it up their ass!

[ronnykmarshall]

18. I know huh?

Poor Britney.

You know they broke up because of The Gay!!!

[Barack_America]

15. My marriage IS in danger.

Or future marriage that is.

If people who love each other and are committed to each other are not allowed to marry, that cheapens my marriage. The fact that we have friends that honestly deserve to be married more than we do, yet cannot, is a big part of why we haven't gotten married.

If marriage isn't about love, then what's the freaking point? (and yes, we understand the legal implications of marriage and of course think they should be available to all)

If Prop 8 is upheld, the value of my marriage is absolutely in jeopardy.


Edited now that the liquor is wearing off to correct some grammar. :blush:

[Neecy]

16. beautifully said

[ronnykmarshall]

20. Thank you Kristi!

That was lovely.

[Bluebear]

22. Thank you, Kristi, love and peace to you.

You get it, and how!

[Barack_America]

45. Thank you, but it's a very easy thing to get...

If loving, committed couples are not allowed to marry, then "marriage", as our legal system defines it, is no longer about love. It simply cannot be. All marriages are in danger of becoming an extension of the church's definition of "marriage"; permission to have sex and reproduce.

It's a shame that more people don't understand this and the very real threat that gay marriage bans pose to their own lives, and our secular society. This goes so much further than an individual's personal feelings about gay sex. This is much more about the religious right trying desperately to chip away at the separation of church and state, and using homophobia to do so. Unfortunately, where they have failed with abortion, they are having great success with gay marriage. But we should all remember that gay marriage is only a stepping stone for them.

[terrya]

23. It's no comfort to you, but I'm sorry about this, Ronny.

Dammit. :cry:

[AlCzervik]

24. whoever told you that is full of shit but of course you and i know that already.

love ya Ronny.

[ronnykmarshall]

38. I love you too!

[DevonRex]

25. OMG. That is terrible. What can I do to help?

[AlCzervik]

27. you can go here and donate if you like

http://www.marriageequality.org/

these people won't stop just with the banning of gay marriage, they won't stop until they can invalidate all of the marriages that have happened already.

[DevonRex]

37. Thank you. I certainly will. nt

[ronnykmarshall]

31. Gimme a hug!!!

[DevonRex]

39. Aww. I love hugs!

So :hug: and :hug: and :hug:

[Spider Jerusalem]

28. Unconstitutional, ex post facto law

Supreme Court would have to overturn it on those grounds even if it did make its way through CA courts.

Also of relevant interest, per article one, section nine, California Constitution: A bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairing
the obligation of contracts may not be passed.

So it would be a violation of the California constitution as well as the US Constitution (note that marriage is a contractual obligation).

[Neshanic]

29. There is such a lack here of the people that said the Warren thing was no big deal.

Where are they? The little speech just became the shadow that takes over the whole big gig.

[makinguphumans]

30. I am so sorry to see this. Off to the Greatest for all to see.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

32. you are ruining their afterglow ronny. how dare you?

i am sorry that your marriage maybe annulled. i am sorry you will be part of gay america where we lack 1500 rights afforded to straight america.

not to mention the hundreds of times we have to hear that we are immoral, pedophiles and destroyers of society

i am sorry for it all

[Sebastian Doyle]

33. Fucking Ken Starr?

Figures that someone as despicable as him would be involved in this latest shittiest chapter of a shitty story :grr:

[Maven]

34. They've stuck in the knife. Now they're stomping on the body.

And these people can be REASONED with?

They can be REACHED OUT to?

Are you fucking kidding me?

I'm so sorry ronny.

[Sultana]

35. It's time to band together and kick some ass

the passage of prop. 8 gave them so much ammo, they won't stop until they destroy "teh gays"

[Neecy]

36. The irony is....

These 'sanctity of marriage' people are trying to FORCE 18,000 divorces in California - against the will of the married parties.

Can I force Ken Starr, simply by virtue of my opinion, to divorce his wife? Why does he want the same power over us?

[WeDidIt]

41. Fucking piece of shit asshole motherfuckers

This pisses me off so much I'm glad I'm nowhere near California because I'd meet some asshole who supported this piece of Nazi shit and I would fucking tear them to little pieces with my bare hands.

[Jennicut]

42. Being able to vote on any change to the state Constitution was voted down in CT

I hate that CA always has these dumb props and allows their state Constitution to just be molested around like a piece of toilet paper.

[IndianaJones]

43. this is so wrong. don't know what else to say. nt.

[yardwork]

44. I'm not allowed to get married. Gay marriage and civil unions are illegal in my state

and in 40 other states.