Any chance we could get a pro-Obama forum on DU?

[Vinca]

Just wondering.

[polichick]

1. How about a forum for folks who can't have two thoughts at once??

[Vinca]

2. Wow. That was bitchy. nt

[polichick]

5. Just mirroring your own bitchy post.

[Yes We Did]

116. You're kidding right? LMAO.

[polichick]

119. Of course not. To suggest that people are anti-Obama if they dare to disagree...

...is bitchy, in addition to being dead wrong.

[Deja Q]

3. Quite. After all, he IS the Democratic candidate and elected leader.

[Engineer4Obama]

4. There is one

Its under DU Groups Democrats Barrack Obama Supports group. Nobody posts there though.

[avaistheone1]

111. If Obama can support democratic and civil right positions including gay rights

I'm all for a pro-Obama forum.

[lapfog_1]

6. Where was your "Can we get a pro-Pelosi forum on DU?" request.

We seem to be a bit selective on which Democratic leaders we can criticize, don't we.

Almost from the day she took the gavel as Speaker of the House, there has been constant criticism of Nancy (me included). Almost everyone piled on when she "kowtowed" to the extreme right.

Yet, when Obama does the same exact thing (and likely with less cause!), all of a sudden we need a place free of any critical threads (I assume that is what you mean by "pro-Obama").

I really hate hypocrisy.

[TheWraith]

9. Obama hasn't "done" anything other than the symbolic.

With Nancy Pelosi people at least have the excuse that she's actually given in on some things. Obama's only transgression is symbolically trying to reach out to people he disagrees with.

[lapfog_1]

18. Symbolism is 50% of what a President can really do.

And about 100% of what a President-Elect can do.

And "reaching out to people he disagrees with" is inviting them to the White House for a lunch and a meeting.

Sticking him up on stage as the brand new shiny "America's Pastor" is a slap in the face to everyone who is disgusted by this bigot.

[gblady]

57. huh???

"as the brand new shiny "America's Pastor""
where'd ya get this concept...

[lapfog_1]

65. Look at the list of pastors who have had this role before Rick.

Billy Graham ring a bell?

[firedupdem]

16. "took the gavel as speaker of the house"

You said it right there.....what oath or gavel has Obama taken yet?

[lapfog_1]

21. Give me a f'ing break. Everything he does now is from the

"Office of the President-Elect" (or haven't you seen the emblem on the podium)?

And the inauguration is a public event, paid for with our tax dollars.

He doesn't get a free pass on this just because he hasn't taken the oath of office yet.

[natrat]

49. how about barney frank is a piece of shit forum or chuck schumer is a thieving whore forum

so many crooks so few forums

[lapfog_1]

71. I thought that barney was the thieving whore and Chuck was the piece of shit.

So hard to keep up these days.

:sarcasm:

[natrat]

114. and chris dodd is the thieving whore pos for the trifecta-mpst all of them truely suck,obviously

[IsItJustMe]

117. Faux news says that Dodd is a Fanny May whore. It must be true, I saw it on TeeVee.

[PresidentObama]

7. He hasn't even taken office, give it time. These people are bitching...

...because they expected something that never was in the cards.

Obama was never going to be an ultra-liberal President.

[crappyjazz]

10. Fail

[PresidentObama]

12. Truth! n/t

[crappyjazz]

24. I'm one of "these people" and yes I'm bitching

and no I never thought of Obama as uber liberal.

Again, you fail

[jgraz]

41. Which part of standing up to bigotry is "ultra-liberal"?

[AllentownJake]

54. I'm sorry what is the problem

with expecting a guy who put so many religous figures under the bus during the primary some long term personal friends expecting him to put a guy who compares our friends to child molesters under the bus with them?

[Beacool]

88. Ahhhh, but therein lies the difference.

Those he threw under the bus served no useful purpose to him anymore and were hindering his chances at the nomination. Though, I still don't get the point of asking Warren to give the invocation since it only served to anger his base. Then again, he might think that he doesn't need them until 2012.........

:eyes:

[AllentownJake]

95. Methinks me might have made a small mistake in April

Fool me once.

[Beacool]

97. Well, I never made that mistake.

Others yes, but not that one. Some may like Hillary, some may not, but with her you knew exactly what you got. Also, once Hillary decides on a course of action she'll pursue it to the end. She's a fighter and I wanted that in a president. I knew that this time she wouldn't stop until we got some kind of comprehensive health care plan that covered everyone, that she would be fiscally conservative and attempt to balance the budget and that no one would run roughshod over her. I didn't want an appeaser, there are things that are too important to compromise on.

She's also a very compassionate person, the list of people she has helped is endless. Mostly done quietly, without media attention. She's a remarkable woman and it breaks my heart that she didn't make it over the finish line because I honestly believe that she would have been a great president.

;)

[AllentownJake]

99. Can't go back in time

however, I now believe seeing what I'm seeing now Hillary was unfarily attacked by the moveon.org and Dailykos crowd which influenced my decision.

[Beacool]

103. Not only them, she was vilified over here and at Huff.

When I initially joined this board I thought that it would be a haven for Hillary supporters since we were all Democrats. But, I found out pretty quickly that we were in the minority and I have since spent more time defending Hillary on this board than doing anything else. What I saw here by too many was a caricature of the woman I know, not a portrayal of the real person. I even saw whole threads literally lifted from RW sites like the Freepers.

To my dismay, this campaign has taught me a bitter lesson:

- That sexism is alive and well. The MSM was a disgrace in their sexist attacks, particularly MSNBC.

- Never to trust the party leadership ever again. The DNC will never get a dime from me nor will I automatically support any candidate just because they have a D after their name. Point in fact, if Tweety Matthews chooses to run for the senate, I'll be there in your neck of the woods actively campaigning for the opponent of the sexist creep.

After the primaries I waited to see if Obama would offer her the VP spot. I always thought that since the primary battle was so close, whichever one got the nomination should pick the other as VP. When I heard party leaders stating publicly their displeasure at the idea (Pelosi did it repeatedly, Kennedy, Carter, etc.) I decided that the Democratic party left me behind. So. I'm now "unaffiliated". I'll "caucus" with the Democrats, but the DNC and its leaders can go to hell!!!!

:-(

[AllentownJake]

104. Well I'm a democrat

I'm still proud of my vote in November and the work I did in both April and November...however my vote in April appears to be based on information that was misinformed at best.

I never hated Hillary till the primaries and once those were over I went back to liking her, I liked some of the things Barack was saying better intially and went with it. However, I can no longer say my vote and support was based on rational information but emotion. I'm a healthcare guy, Hillary's plan was better.

Like I said you can't go back in time and the result wasn't John McCain so I'm just going to be more skeptical in the future.

[Beacool]

107. Well, McCain was simply not a choice for me.

Yes, her healthcare plan was better. That is why she won the endorsement of the AMA and the Nurse's Asociation.

:-)

[Beacool]

106. I forgot to mention how ironic I thought the MoveOn endorsement was

considering that Hillary took a lot of flak from Republicans over her vote over the MoveOn ad attacking Petraeus. Giuliani took out a whole page ad in the NY Times attacking her and MoveOn. Shortly after, who does MoveOn endorse? Obama, the person who hadn't even voted on this issue........

:eyes:

[Lilyeye]

100. Still pushing the primary shit.

[AllentownJake]

101. I started it

so your beef is with me.

[NJmaverick]

8. How about one that is free of attacks on DUers?

especially the ones that are motivated by racism, sexism and bigotry.

[WillParkinson]

11. Hm....

Do you think there'd be any posts in that forum?

[polichick]

14. Or one where you can disagree with Obama and still be a supporter.

[NJmaverick]

17. Is this what you are talking about?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=103025&mesg_id=103025


As for what I am talking about, here is a praticularly vile and racists, sexist and bigoted post that got plenty of recs

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=101790&mesg_id=101790

[BostonMa]

19. are you saying gays are the problem? why r u hunting up gay forum topics

[NJmaverick]

22. Unfortunately that forum shows up in the main list of discussion topics

and reading the main discussion list has become worse that scanning the topic list at FR.

[Starry Messenger]

31. Apparently Skinner disagrees with you...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4690690

:rofl:

[NJmaverick]

34. and? In less than 3 minutes it got 4 recs

there are major truths in what I said.

[Starry Messenger]

42. Or there are Freepers with accounts here.

Shrug. People rec things for strange reasons.

[NJmaverick]

44. LOL! the tin foil hat conspiracy theory is a pretty lame defense

The reality is I was dead on right and you were wrong (and looking foolish in process, you should think more and laugh less)

[Starry Messenger]

46. How long have you known you were psychic?

That is the coolest super-power.

[NJmaverick]

47. I understand intelligent and well thought out opinions, that are based on facts and evidence

seems mystical to you, but with effort and practice you may be able to see that it's just a matter of using one's brain and being intellectually honest.

[Starry Messenger]

51. ...

[NYC_SKP]

102. I was about to give it rec number five, but it says "locked topic" nt

[LeftCoast]

52. "Unfortunately" ????

:wtf:

[NJmaverick]

55. Yes, I have been subject to offense posts that are tinged with

racism, sexism and bigotry. Like this one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=101790&mesg_id=101790

[LeftCoast]

56. Wow! You really are something!

:wow:

[NJmaverick]

59. Yes, I know that you have problem with reasonable honorable people

that judge people by their words and actions, rather than by some arbitrary grouping. I sure that is a jaw dropping change for you.:eyes:

[Starry Messenger]

60. I don't see your screen name mentioned in there.

Did you post in there and get attacked? I'm confused.

[NJmaverick]

61. I am not surprised that you are confused

[Starry Messenger]

62. That is the usual response to information that makes no sense

So I'm glad we can agree. :hug:

[NJmaverick]

70. Very true, I would get the same response if I tried to explain quantum physics

to my 6 year old niece.

[Starry Messenger]

73. So your name was mentioned in there? n/t

[NJmaverick]

74. Do you need to be mentioned by name to be offended by racism,

sexism or bigotry?

[Starry Messenger]

76. Why don't you post on the thread?

It's still open. That would be more productive and I'm sure they would welcome your input.

[NJmaverick]

77. That thread should have been closed down a long time ago

I am not going to give that bigoted author any credibility by responding. That sort of raw racist/sexist/bigoted hatred has no business being in a progressive forum. Even worse that are many that supported it. It's a truly shameful and disgraceful display. I also notice that you FAILED to answer my question. Which is not surprising, since you are clearly on the wrong side of this issue.

[Starry Messenger]

83. Well, I hope you alerted.

And certainly I would be offended by racism, sexism, or bigotry when I see it even if my name wasn't mentioned. I alert on it all the time. I also post counter articles and facts to support my opinions in threads. And yes, I totally disagree with you about that thread.

[NJmaverick]

92. I didn't even bother to alert

looking over many similar threads, it's clear not every forum is equally subject to the rules of DU.

[LeftCoast]

13. Oh...would that be one where no criticism of Obama is allowed?

Kind of a left-wing version of FreeRepublic?

What a great idea!

:sarcasm:

[NJmaverick]

20. The only problem is that many of the "critics" are using this issue

as cover to refight their lost cause of Hillary for President. Here are a couple of good example, to prove it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x102276

[Bluebear]

23. HRC is the Human Rights Commission, not Hillary Clinton

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x101923

:eyes:

[NJmaverick]

26. and you explain away the fact that many of the nastiest Obama attackers

still have a HRC avatar how????

[Bluebear]

28. It's the HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION, not Hillary Rodham Clinton

It's a gay organization, it's the nice gays in suits and all. And how the hell could I "explain away" someone's avatar? I'm a sap who voted for Edwards in my primary.

[NJmaverick]

30. Again I ask the question why so many Hillary Avatars???

why are they the loudest critics and the harshest attackers???

[Bluebear]

32. I answered you about the avatars, you're just having a fit. Calm down & we'll talk later.

[NJmaverick]

37. No you didn't answer. you claimed to be uable to answer

the reason being, is simply that your are wrong

[Bluebear]

58. your are wrong! uable to answer!

You're out of control, you think the Human Rights Commission is Hillary lol!

[NJmaverick]

63. You really don't like people pointing out how poor and wrong your views are?

do you? Well sorry but I am not going to sit idle by while you and others trash the good people of DU and a very honorable man, who happens to be our President elect.

[Bluebear]

94. You're acting psychotic now.

[Beacool]

93. Because some of us will always support Hillary.

Do you think that she no longer has our support because she lost an election? Of course not, the battle was lost but not the war. I hope that she runs again in the future.

As for why we are his harshest critics, it's only natural. I preferred Hillary over Obama for other reasons than just because she was the only chick in the fray and I'm a feminist. I still have many doubts about Obama, yes he's a better choice than a Repug, but I'll be there watching what he actually does once he's in the job. Lofty words are just platitudes if they don't produce a correlating action.

As for the Warren boondoggle, people have a legitimate reason to be mighty upset at Obama for choosing this antisemite, anti gay and anti women's rights bigot to give the invocation at his inaugural.

:shrug:

[MH1]

25. Yep.

Interesting that the obvious is ignored by certain folks.

[LeftCoast]

27. That's an 'interesting' perspective on those threads...

:wow:

[QC]

29. LOL! n/t

[Political Tiger]

72. Which could lead one to ask

Why would Hillary work for a man that supposedly "hates" gay people?

[NJmaverick]

75. Now there you go being all logical and reasonable

The answer is that Obama is very supportive of gay people (and all other Americans as well). So Hillary had no problem working for him.

[LWolf]

15. Sure.

Here ya go:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=388

[DCBob]

35. Not much activity over there except for "DeepModem Mom".

She has about 90% of the posts.

[LWolf]

69. Perhaps that's an indication

that Obama is not the sun that the universe revolves around.

:shrug:

The national conversation should transcend party and individual, to take on philosophy, issues, and goals.

There is no one party, or one politician, that rules those things.

[DCBob]

33. It would be nice wouldn't it.

This site has become a downer.

[LeftCoast]

36. Yeah...try being gay around here

[DCBob]

38. Huh?? I have not seen any anti-gay posts.

The vast majority of posters on this site seem to be totally pro on gay rights issues.

[WillParkinson]

39. Telling people to get over it...

To chill out or whatever we're going to be calling it today is not totally pro-gay.

Some people here think that they are pro-gay but only when you judge it against their own criteria.

[DCBob]

43. I guess some think some of you are over-reacting...

but it has nothing to do with being anti-gay. Perhaps it hard for non-gay persons to see it from your point of view.

[WillParkinson]

48. To tell a person that they're overreacting...

Because they do not appreciate someone who compared them to pederasts and incestuous relationships, whose very church admits it will not allow gay people (and in writing), and do not appreciate the fact that this person is being given an honor that many think he should not have may not homophobic. It's ignorance based on your very statement. They cannot see it from our side yet continue to tell us to chill, relax, etc.

The person being given the honor is homophobic.

ho·mo·pho·bi·a (hō'mə-fō'bē-ə) Pronunciation Key
n.

1. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.
2. Behavior based on such a feeling.

[DCBob]

53. Nobody is defending Warren's stupid statements...

We are defending Obama.

[WillParkinson]

79. Who is overlooking

The things that Mr. Warren has said, to the consternation of some of his base.

[DCBob]

86. I would not call it "overlooking". I think it is more like tolerance...

considering who he is and what other positive things he has done. Here are a few blurbs from the Rick Warren wikipedia entry that might help explain what Obama sees in this guy:

===============

Though maintaining traditional evangelical positions on issues such as abortion and gay marriage, Warren has challenged the conservative views of many evangelical leaders by devoting less attention to these issues and instead calling on the church to focus its efforts on fighting international poverty and disease, expanding educational opportunity for the marginalized, and combatting global warming.
<snip>
Warren has worked to shift the evangelical movement away from a narrow focus on social issues, such as abortion and gay marriage, to a broader social agenda. His five-point plan for global action calls for church-led efforts to tackle global poverty and disease, including the spread of HIV/AIDS, and to support literacy and education efforts around the world. In February 2006, he signed a statement backing a major initiative to combat global warming, thus breaking with some of the U.S.'s high-profile evangelical leaders, such as James Dobson, who had opposed such a move.<2>

Warren has been invited to speak at national and international forums including the United Nations, the World Economic Forum in Davos, the African Union, the Council on Foreign Relations, Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government, TED, and Time’s Global Health Summit.

Warren was named one of "America's Top 25 Leaders" in the October 31, 2005 issue of U.S. News and World Report.<3> Warren was elected by TIME magazine as one of 15 World Leaders Who Mattered Most in 2004 and one of the "100 Most Influential People in the World" (2005).<4> Newsweek magazine called him one of "15 People Who Make America Great", an award given to people who, through bravery or generosity, genius or passion, devote themselves to helping others.<5>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Warren

[WillParkinson]

110. As I've said in the past...

You want to work with him on a project? Cool. Bring him in to help you or give you advice.

But you want to give him an important position in what is supposed to be a celebration for those who helped to get you elected? Remember, it's not just HIS party. We all worked for the invites. Mr. Warren did not.

[LeftCoast]

40. Oh yeah, especially all the posters telling us we're being silly

and to shut up and that sitting down with bigots is the epitome of liberal thought....

[DCBob]

45. This country is full of bigots. I have a few in my own family.

I wouldn't say "sitting down with bigots is the epitome of liberal thought" but I would say it's kind of unavoidable.

[jgraz]

50. Right after we get a pro-democracy forum.

One where people actually debate differing opinions, rather than whine about the fact that they exist.

[Splinter Cell]

64. Amen

All this anti-Obama bullshit is enough to make you vomit.

[bvar22]

66. How about a forum for Progressives/Liberals.

CENTRISM !.... for those who are proud to be Half-Republican.

CENTRISM !....Because it is so EASY!
You don't have to STAND for ANYTHING, and get to insult those who do!

[Splinter Cell]

68. Liberals

Don't have to agree on everything. There are liberals/progressives that have alternate views on a whole range of issues/topics.

[bvar22]

78. There are some things ALL Liberals agree on.

There are ISSUES that bind us.

No "Liberal" would consider supporting any of the following:

*Advancing the agenda of THE RICH at the expense of the Working Class and POOR

*Increasing the "Defense Budget" or escalating foreign wars against Countries and Peoples who don't threaten us

*Union Busting

*The limiting of Civil Rights and Equal Protection for ANY American, or supporting the platforms, forums, or individuals who preach hatred & bigotry.

If you find yourself supporting any of the above, your membership in the Liberal Movement is hereby revoked, and you are commanded to turn your membership card.

Official Edict
bvar22
Sargent at Arms for the Liberal Movement

[Beacool]

98. Off topic, but is that a real pic?

Poor possum......

:(

[bvar22]

112. It is a popular photo with Jim Hightower fans.

"The only thing in The Middle of the Road are Yellow Stripes and Dead Armadillos."---Jim Hightower


I never looked closely at the photo....always assumed it was a dead armadillo, but I believe you are right. It does appear to be a possum. In either case, I agree....poor critter.

[Beacool]

118. He would fit right in at the Road Kill Cafe.

A restaurant in Hyannis (Cape Cod, MA) that goes by that name. Al their dishes have disgusting names of road kill critters even though it's regular food.

:7

[mmonk]

67. You mean a no criticism forum?

[kiva]

80. Don't know about you, but I joined Democratic Underground,

not Obama Underground. As several people have noted above, there IS a pro-Obama forum and if you choose not to post there, that's your decision. As far as I can see, all elected dems have gotten their share of criticism on DU, and it shouldn't be surprising that Obama, as president elect, gets a larger share of that criticism.

[pinstikfartherin]

82. Great point.

It shouldn't be surprising to anyone. But it would be nice to see a few more threads that are not Warren related.

Guess it is just best to stay in the Lounge.

[kiva]

85. I tried the lounge, but it's there too!!!! n/t

[pinstikfartherin]

87. Hot damn! Well at least they still have a sense of humor there..

and plenty of non-Warren threads!

[sampsonblk]

109. Its gone too far

"F*ck Obama" is not criticism. And it should never be allowed here. I have read that (and other similarly absurd comments) from many many posters here of late.

[kiva]

113. Not my choice of words either, but I've seen the same phrase

applied to many dems here. Again, there's no reason that PE Obama is or should be treated differently than any other dem politician on DU.

[pinstikfartherin]

81. How about a hide all Warren related threads function?

Or a fucking Warren forum. This could fill its own forum.

[Freddie Stubbs]

84. It already exists:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=388

[DCBob]

89. Zero replies and zero recs in the top 20 posts -- all by "deepmodem mom"

Not exactly an active forum over there.

[Bjorn Against]

90. Just buy yourself a blindfold and some earplugs and you won't have to hear any differing opinions.

[jonnyblitz]

91. not enough cheerleading , chanting and picture threads for you?

I would settle for at the least an actual PROGRESSIVE site that valued the issues over politician personality CULTS.

[alwysdrunk]

96. It's a shame the pic threads sink because of all the Obama bashing

I miss those pic threads. :(

[ecstatic]

105. I would really like that. nt

[sampsonblk]

108. No chance

Apparently its not required that posters support our party or our incoming POTUS.

[RichGirl]

115. I'd love that.

I've almost given up coming here at all.


Discussion is suppose to be a sharing of ideas and information not endless complaining, whining, criticism and negative projections. I am absolutely not interested in anyone's worst cast what ifs!!

[Frank Booth]

120. I think this is a good idea. "Progressives" -- who apparently feel that they have

to act hopelessly aggrieved by every single decision Obama makes -- aren't allowed.

[Name removed]

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[uppityperson]

122. delete, TS delivered.