NEWSFLASH: OBAMA HAS BEEN AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE FROM THE START

[deadlyaj]

Wake up and pay attention.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

1. Did he equate gay marriage with pedophilia?

Because Rick Warren did.

[deadlyaj]

3. warren is a fundie

his true feelings he wouldnt even say in front of a camera or his flock

I think the LBGT didnt pay attention to Obama's platform.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

5. Nobody here claimed Obama was for gay marriage.

But we should all be offended that he picked such a homophobic (among other things) bigot to give the invocation.

[No Elephants]

34. Whatr on earth makes you think that? Because they voted for him anyway, like we heteros begged

them to do? What were their realistic alternatives? McCain Palin? Most everyone here knew Obama's positions very well. Does that mean we can never criticize him for his positions? What is your point?

[Evergreen Emerald]

2. There is a difference between being "against gay marriage" and

a bigot who equates mutual love with f'ing a dog or molesting a child.

Edited to clean up the language (a tad).

[deadlyaj]

4. Obama doesnt equal Warren

anyone who makes that correlation is stupid and shouldn't be allowed out of the house.

[Evergreen Emerald]

28. anyone who thinks that is the issue...

[Skittles]

54. guess what?

deep down, there isn't

[davidinalameda]

6. Obama was also against Prop 8

which Warren supported

go back to your bridge

[polichick]

7. Or he's been playing politics with the issue - either way, it's up to us...

to educate him. He said he wants to surround himself with people who dare to disagree!

[deadlyaj]

9. Hes been against gay marriage from the start of his run for prez

[polichick]

19. What I mean is, he may not actually be against it, but for political purposes...

...he takes that position ~ I doubt that most Dems are against it in their hearts.

[No Elephants]

35. And?

[Sebastian Doyle]

8. The only candidate who was FOR gay marriage was Dennis Kucinich

And he dropped out by the end of January.

[deadlyaj]

10. Why didnt the LBGT Community express their support for him as fervant as the anti warren stuff..

this all seems a little crazy to me. Its not like Obama is doing anything we didnt think he would do

[Sebastian Doyle]

12. Damned if I know.

But I don't presume to speak for the LGBT Community.

[PeaceNikki]

14. They DID, you dolt.

The LGBT community gave time, money, blood, sweat and tears to his campaign.... which is WHY they are so hurt and offended at the pick.

[deadlyaj]

16. Obama isnt anti gay

“While we have come a long way since the Stonewall riots in 1969, we still have a lot of work to do. Too often, the issue of LGBT rights is exploited by those seeking to divide us. But at its core, this issue is about who we are as Americans. It’s about whether this nation is going to live up to its founding promise of equality by treating all its citizens with dignity and respect.”

— Senator Barack Obama

[PeaceNikki]

17. No shit.

But he's giving a voice to a hateful misogynistic bigot.

[deadlyaj]

20. he is a bigot, yup.

That bigot is still american and he has to be a president to all people. I honestly thing its a brilliant move. Any antiObama gay fervor just brings more right leaning people into the obama fold. The gay community isnt NOT going to support Obama in the end so by them screaming it only brings more center rights into the obama camp. win win

The fundies on the right wing love this shit

The left and right been using the gay community as a political tool for generations. Must suck to be be used like that, but reality sucks

[No Elephants]

38. You could not be more wrong. Next.

[LostinVA]

41. {"Must suck to be be used like that, but reality sucks" -- so speaks the Republican for Obama

You must be one of those Compassionate Republicans I hear so much about.

:eyes:

This post is one of the most repulsive things I've read on here today.

Wanna bet there isn't a real possibility that "the gay community isnt NOT going to support Obama in the end"?

[Maven]

56. Oh, we're going to support Obama in the end eh?

Why, because you said so?

"Must suck to be be used like that, but reality sucks."

No, cynical, apathetic political parasites suck. Is that you, Frank Luntz?

[polmaven]

43. I may have misread,

I think the poster was asking why the GLBT community didn't express their support for DK as fervently as against the choice of Warren.

My opinion on that is because GLBT wanted someone who could actually WIN...(DK will never be president)...and be in a position to take up the cause.

As offensive as this choice was - to GLBT and women, in particular, (and to liberal people of faith as well) - we have no choice but to continue to believe President Obama will be that someone.

I am desperately hoping that this will prove to have been what I think it is...a huge fucked up mistake. I really don't think it is an indication of how he will govern.

[No Elephants]

37. You knew he was going to pick Warren to give the invocation? Huh. I didn't.

[bluedawg12]

46. Why don't some stright people attack Warren as firmly as they defend his invite?

[flvegan]

15. I still voted for him. One of the main reasons, too.

[NYC_SKP]

11. nonononononononononononono no.

He personally defines marriage as between a man and a woman.

As a legislator, he defends the rights of same sex couples to marry.

Do some homework before posting your all caps BS.

[deadlyaj]

13. Obama believes in civil unions not right to marry. dont mix words, two totally dif things

[NYC_SKP]

21. what the hell do you know about it?

you and your all caps madness.....

He will not prevent any gay couples from marrying, he's not against gay marriage, he is for equal rights for LGBT couples, that's what matters.

He personally believes that marriage is between a man and a woman.

[No Elephants]

40. Sadly, I think you are mistaken. However, it does not matter what he thinks, as long as

he does not believe in interfering with the states. And the real bottom line is what his appointees to the SCOTUS think. For those appointments alone, it was worth every dime of donations and every hour of volunterring to defeat McCain Palin.

[ruggerson]

18. You are incorrect sir

he does not believe in same sex civil marriage.

[deadlyaj]

22. Obama Pride

http://pride.barackobama.com/page/content/lgbthome

readzifucanz

[jonnyblitz]

23. what a crock of shit. a pride group named after somebody

who is against gay marriage. please.

[deadlyaj]

24. Its there lol

[NYC_SKP]

26. He will not allow legislation preventing it.

He does not personally believe that marriage as an institution is other than between a man and a woman.

It's the difference between one's personal beliefs and how one legislates.

It's actually a nice example of how a good leader can separate personal feelings from his or her sense of the right thing to do for all people, or to support certain legislation despite a conflict with one's religious beliefs.

The only analogy that comes to mind would be a governor who personally abhors the death penalty signing a capital punishment warrant.

I wish I could think of an example that wasn't so dark.

[noamnety]

30. Here's another example for you

a legislator who personally doesn't believe in mixed race marriages but is benevolent enough not to legislate against them.

See? That wouldn't be bigoted at all, it would be an example of an enlightened good leader.

:sarcasm:

[No Elephants]

42. Marriage is an issue for the states, not the feds. Further, Presidents don't legislate. Congress

does. Presidents can veto legilslation, though. The most critical thing here are SCOTUS appointments. That is the ball game when it comes to equal rights. And SCOTUS appointees don't have to worry about re-election, like Presidents, Governors and legislators.

[bluedawg12]

47. Repeal of DOMA is for the Feds and PE Obama promised it's repeal.

[No Elephants]

51. Agreed. But the feds should never have touched marriage in the first place, just as they should

never have butt into the Schiavo case.

[bluedawg12]

53. The problem with bad laws and half measures like CU's is

they have to be repealed.

[NYC_SKP]

49. How about abortion?

no sarcasm.

Plenty are morally and personally opposed and wouldn't have one themselves but are pro-choice candidates.

Ahem.

[mondo joe]

58. People who are pro-choice support laws that let the individual decide. NT

[doc03]

25. Warren is going to talk for 2 1/2 minutes, the last

I checked we still have freedom of speech. What is it, if we disagree with someone they can't speak, we have gone through that type of thinking for the last 8 years.

[chascarrillo]

27. NEWSFLASH: IT STILL PISSES ME OFF.

I voted for him, supported him throughout the primaries, and I'm damn glad that he won. But I am still pissed off that he wimps out on the most prominent American civil rights issue of today. And I am super pissed off when he honors bigots by giving them prominent roles on Inauguration Day.

Is that okay with you?

[stray cat]

29. No news there. Obama and Biden are for equivalent rights but not calling it marriage

that was clear in the debates

[trashcanistanista]

31. Not true. He was against prop 8 and said so.

Gay marriage was legal in California. Prop 8 repealed it. How is that not being supportive of gay marriage?

[bluedawg12]

48. "I detest the bashing and vilifying of gays" - Barrack Obama

"OBAMA: Well, to answer the original question, I would love that child and seek to support them. ...I detest the bashing and vilifying of gays and lesbians. Most gays and lesbians are seeking basic recognition of their rights so they’re not discriminated against in employment or renting a house, so they can see their partner in a hospital. These are rights for everybody, not just some people.

Source: Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes Oct 21, 2004 "

Warren has vilified and bashed gays, comparing same sex marriage to pedophelia and bestiality.

[No Elephants]

32. Thanks for the condescension. And your point is?

[give-me-liberty]

33. OBAMA is wrong on Gay Marriage

as wrong as the KKK were to burn crosses in many of Michelle Obama's ancestor's yards...

let's get this straight (no pun intended), Obama will regret the day he ever uttered those words because he will feel bad for all the violence this brought onto the LGBT community.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

36. Awesome! Republican for Obama is back!

[NutmegYankee]

39. OMG - WE'RE BEING INVADED BY AOL USERS!

And they forgot to turn off all caps.

[deadlyaj]

44. sorry, just a little sick of all this outrage about Warren. It missed the mark on the whole scope

of gay issues and we need more attention towards anti discrimination for the people -- not fake outrage over a 2 min prayer

gmafb

[bluedawg12]

45. NEWSFLASH: OBAMA WAS AGAINST HATE8

Warren was for it.

[trashcanistanista]

50. Correct. Thank you. How many times does this need

to be posted?

[bluedawg12]

52. Apparently infinitely. n/t

[GOPisEvil]

55. You would think a constitutional scholar would understand the 14th Amendment.

You would also think that a constitutional scholar (and an African American one at that) would get the concept of why "separate but equal" doesn't nut it.

[mondo joe]

57. Politician first, scholar second.

Or later.

[OneBlueSky]

59. maybe what he doesn't understand is homosexuality . . .

and, therefore, gay marriage . . .

and maybe one of the best uses of our time and energy in the next few months could be educating him about both topics and why it is so important that he understand them better . . .

and maybe we should also emphasize that, even if his religious beliefs cause him to personally oppose gay marriage, those beliefs should be kept out of his public policy considerations . . .

and maybe he'll surprise us . . .