Hate to piss in the pool here...

[NJGeek]

... but the challenges facing our country are WAY bigger than our matrimony laws. Let's battle this out some other time and focus on preventing another Depression.

[leftstreet]

1. Fail

[AlCzervik]

2. we can multi task and no sir equal rights are a giant issue.

[lumberjack_jeff]

113. Are we multitasking? If we are, it is not apparent. n/t

[Rosa Luxemburg]

3. the state of the economy is somewhat pressing

1 in 7 Americans will have a foreclosure this coming year! We have to get the housing crisis sorted.

[flvegan]

4. Hated to, but did it anyway.

Oh, and btw doc, I can multitask. Can you?

[QC]

49. Yeah, he hated to do it, but it's for our own good. n/t

[Runcible Spoon]

5. your opinion is New and Interesting

oh wait...

:eyes:

[GOPisEvil]

6. I'm guessing your rights aren't being affected.

So, what you're saying is that gays can help bring the country out of depression, but damned if they can exercise their 14th Amendment rights to equal protection of the law?

[jgraz]

7. Please specify the size cutoff for problems we should be concerned about.

:eyes:

[NJGeek]

14. 1 million dollars

[jonnyblitz]

8. wow.. you are like the first person to ever say this here. nt

[AlCzervik]

12. delightfully refreshing---no?

x(

[babylonsister]

9. I think the next admin will have to concentrate on a lot of things,

including equal rights.

[Starry Messenger]

10. Read the Constitution...and oh, BTW...

[madeline_con]

11. We cant multitask; hate Warren AND worry about the economy.

How 'bout it?

[PBS Poll-435]

13. Then Don't

NT

[davidinalameda]

15. we can't concentrate on more than one issue at a time

maybe you can't but the rest of us can

[NJGeek]

20. I'm not saying YOU can't concentrate on it..

.. but to be honest, if Obama needs to invite some wacko preacher to talk for 3 minutes,so that enough right-wingers get the fever and sign up for Universal Healthcare in 2009, then so be it. I think we have someone in Obama who may be the most progressive civil rights President in several generations- if we let him. He is a CONSTITUTIONAL LAW SCHOLAR, remember?

[Starry Messenger]

28. That's what is so puzzling...

Prop 8 was supported by Rick Warren..

Prop 8 was an amendment to the State Constitution that removed rights held by citizens...

Obama was opposed to Prop 8. Because he is a Constitutional Law scholar...

I'm missing something.

[leftstreet]

33. ouch

Nicely done!

:thumbsup:

[AlCzervik]

34. i guess people will care when rw groups have their constitutional rights taken away.

[Starry Messenger]

35. I wonder why the gun people aren't more up in arms (cough) about this.

For years they've been yelling about the risk of government taking away their rights. Now that it has actually happened to a large group of citizens they are strangely silent...

[AlCzervik]

39. yup and the libertarians, where are they?

[Starry Messenger]

43. excellent question, too!

Although it is a fantasy of mine that the gungeon on DU will look at Prop 8 and come on up and post their take on this. Something tells me I better not hold my breath. :D

[NWHarkness]

47. Well, gee thanks

We appreciate you giving us permission to decide for ourselves.

[davidinalameda]

68. do you honestly think that the right wing will do anything to help Obama?

if so, I have several bridges that I'd like to sell you

if Obama thinks that bringing bigots on board will help his presidency, then I'm not too sure if I want to see if succeed

[Fran Kubelik]

16. I think President-elect Obama said it best

"I think it is going to be part of the president's job to be able to deal with more than one thing at once."

[dbackjon]

17. I expect a check for the $30K I have spent in federal taxes

Because matrimony is no big deal.

I will pm you my address.

[sandnsea]

18. If the government could take your children

just because of who you are in a relationship with - you wouldn't think there was much of anything more important than that.

[NJGeek]

36. That's awful

Truly. But give the guy a chance.

Or not, whatever. GD:P forum is obviously obsessed with this issue, I guess I should move on, not you...

[sandnsea]

53. I agree with giving him a chance

I'm disgusted with the hysteria against Obama, rather than just the one choice. But I do understand the need to codify gay rights. It is important. Just think if the fundies ever decided to go back to the scarlet letter days.

[jgraz]

19. Of course. That's why DU only has one discussion forum.

General Discussion: Really BIG Problems that actually affect ME.

[xchrom]

21. fuck off. nt

[John Q. Citizen]

22. Yes, why obama would purposely divert attention away from the other stuff is a mystery.

We have the "separate but equal"

the FISA flip flop, the humans rights confused with human opinion, and putting the spotlight on a bigot for the greatest show on earth.

So what the hell do you really think is happening, I mean over with the depression stuff? Are they trying to pull a fast one and get better organized so that we can't fight back enmasse when the food riots start and we don't have any rights at all?

Don't worry, Human rights is the basic foundation of everything else.

That's why the first 10 in the constitution are called the bill of rights and they don't deal at with the depression. Don't forget that!

[NJGeek]

25. Politically, its called "lining up the folk" and Warren is close to them.

Making a stink is actually good now that I think about it because it means more press for this, which means more RW nuts will think Obama is OK because of Warren, opening up the doors to filibuster proof legislation....

[John Q. Citizen]

50. So what happened to the depression? Gone with the wind? Or are you back on

the illusory unfilibusterable kick?

Feinstien, Baucus, Lieberman, or lots of people can and will make a non-filibusterable Senate a pipe dream.


More likely than a non-filibusterable Senate would be martial law. fast and efficient. He's signaling an erosion of human and civil rights. Where does that usually end?

He's got all the traditional and supersized power bush has now. In a couple of months we will see if someone voluntarily cedes power or not. My guess is no. And what's the point of having power if you don't use it? some one will be urging him to.

I think it's important to push and stress civil and human rights. Always. Other wise the other problems become completely unsolvable.

[NWHarkness]

51. Yeah, um, not gonna happen

The right wing will not see Obama's reaching out to them as anything but a sign of weakness.

[John Q. Citizen]

66. Oh, some people will be impressed. But most won't care or even know. And some will

be pissed at both Obama and Warren.

[noamnety]

23. Wow, you're like a second Martin Luther King, Jr.

Remember when he was telling black people to stop fighting for equal rights until world poverty was solved?

[Trajan]

24. I am guessing you actually LIKE pissing in the pool ....

Isnt that the whole point of this thread ?

[racaulk]

26. Ummm...walk...chew gum...can't do both...what will I do...so confused...

:eyes:

[Runcible Spoon]

27. four fucking recs?

wow.

[Fran Kubelik]

29. 4 recommendations

Thanks, brothers and sisters.
I guess I fought hard for your rights to tax breaks and all the other benefits and rights that you get just by being able to marry. Enjoy. I'll just go back here to being an abomination and all that.

[Malikshah]

30. Generally when people preface a remark along the lines of "hate to say this"

they really don't.

It is not about gay marriage so stop trying to say it is.

It is about the honoring of a bigot, a misogynist, and a crusader with an eleventh century mentality.

The fact that many in the GLBT community have stood up and said hell no speaks more to their devotion for basic civil rights for all than many give credit for.

[jgraz]

48. I hate to say this but...

you're completely right. :thumbsup:

[Malikshah]

56. Sorry, but

thanks. :)

[jberryhill]

80. With all due respect, and I don't mean this as flamebait...

That was a nice expression of gratitude.

But don't take that the wrong way.

[Behind the Aegis]

31. Yes, it's all about "marriage."

NO! IT is about THIS.....



AND, IT is about THIS.....




GET IT NOW?!?!?!

[NWHarkness]

32. Not again!

How many of these patronizing threads are we going to get?

[Hepburn]

37. Equality is a major issue.

I can work on multiple issues. Sorry you can't. But I will not sit still or rest until the marriage issue is solved in favor of equality for all.

JMHO

[Skittles]

38. here's a newsflash for you, pool pisser

SOME OF US KNOW THAT DENIAL OF BASIC CIVIL RIGHTS IS A MAJOR ISSUE

[Starbucks Anarchist]

40. Are you a proctologist? Pull your head out of your ass.

[Name removed]

41. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[NJGeek]

44. Nice one.

[Name removed]

59. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Rowdyboy]

42. You fight your battles, I'll fight mine.... We're used to fighting without the support of people

like you so its no real loss.

[AlCzervik]

45. 8 of you kind of suck.

[mondo joe]

57. I wish they could each tell me which issue is addressed by endorsing a bigot like Warren.

Is he fixing the economy?

[AlCzervik]

63. now it's 11 and yes that would be a good question to have answered.

[mondo joe]

64. Indeed. Warren must have some big magic up his sleeves, if he and only he can

advance these bigger issues.

[Raster]

46. Don't you have another pool to piss in?

[NJGeek]

54. No

This was my favorite forum. I think I will take a break but its kind of like a train wreck and I can't look away!

[Bluebear]

52. Let me guess. Signed, a white heterosexual male.

[Joe the Revelator]

82. Why make race an issue? nt

[Bluebear]

85. /ignore

[Joe the Revelator]

106. Seriously? Because you get called out for injecting Race into an argument where it has no place?

I should have been ignoring you a long time ago.

[mondo joe]

55. Which challenge is addressed by giving a spotlight to a bigot like Warren?

Please let me know.

[NJGeek]

58. No, it's Harvey Firestein

Of course it is a white hetero male. I obviously would be more empathetic otherwise. I am all for your rights, in all cases. I just wish we could give this guy a chance and focus on the truly extreme economic problems we have.

[NJGeek]

60. that was to bluebear

sorry....

[mondo joe]

62. Which economic issue does Warren, and no one but Warren, address?

[NJGeek]

65. wha? he's reading a prayer; not working on economic team

Like Billy Graham and tons of other fundies before them.

Did you want Rev. Wright up there?

Maybe Rev. Run.

[mondo joe]

67. You said this is about the big issues. Which issue does Warren advance that should make us

shut up about him?

[NJGeek]

69. Missing the point.

I never told you to shut up, but your friends did.

Warren advanced no issue other than his purpose driven life bullcrap. But what purpose does it serve THIS community to infight on this when there are so many other truly DANGEROUS issue facing us?

Do what ya' like...

[mondo joe]

75. How does our discussion here limit the work being done on those big issues?

[leftstreet]

70. He gets a SHITLOAD of Faith Based Tax $$ to not cure AIDS in Africa

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4694671

Oh...you meant economic issues other than his own

:)

[MadHound]

61. Oh darn, how ever did those administrations facing grave crisises ever manage to multitask?

What a sad excuse for kicking the can down the road.

What's next, that great other excuse for doing nothing "Hey, don'tcha know there's a war on?"

I think that the Obama administration can multi-task. They'd better be able to, the economic situation is one of many other grave problems.

[NYC_SKP]

71. This pool has already been pissed in. ewwwww, not more piss in the pool!

More water in the pool please, or I'll have to get out.

Hmm, what's going on in the lounge?

[Riverman]

72. President Roosevelt, we got a war to fight, we can't deal

with Blacks being intergrated in the Army, just now. President Eisenhower, we imminent nuclear war and communists to deal with, we can't fight thie battle now to integrate the schools. President Kennedy - you have a mess on your hands in Cuba and Vietnam is heating up. Black can wait to voting rights and civil rights a few more years.

[NJGeek]

73. umm that kind of all HAPPENED

Not a good sign.

[mondo joe]

81. Wasn't Obamas the one who said the president has to multitask? And what does that

have to do with his selection of Warren anyway?

[emilyg]

74. A friend called me tonight to tell me

he lost his job. He's gay. His overwhelming number one concern was how he was going to pay his mortgage and survive.

[truedelphi]

111. Economic enslavement trumps everything else.

As as a straight person, I don't have many rights since medical bankruptcy imposed its harshness.

The fourth anniversary of our marriage is coming up. It's anyone's guess as to whether we will be eating cake, or even bread.

[emilyg]

125. I'm sorry. More and more of us

are there.

[SwampG8r]

76. i dont mind when i

piss in the pool its all warm

i hate hitting a warm spot in the pool by surprise tho!

[AntiFascist]

77. Nobody is stopping you from focusing on other issues...

by all means, please start a thread on another issue. As it is, isn't this yet just another Warren thread? Also, please see the latest post on my journal which is about: another reason to dislike Rick Warren.

[jberryhill]

78. Then find another pool

Why do something you hate?

Didn't have enough time to climb out and towel off?

Just couldn't hold it in, could you.

Well, I hate to shit in your thread, but... you know.

[Mojambo]

79. Very bad form to tell people seeking basic human rights to wait.

Shame on you.

[yardwork]

83. Has it occurred to you that the problems might be related?

A country that won't even extend basic human rights to a minority group is probably not going to be very successful facing any other challenges.

As we see.

[Two Americas]

84. equal rights is the only issue

Rights denied to any of us threaten the rights of all of us. The fight for equal rights and justice for any of us is the fight for equal rights and justice for all of us.

There is no bigger challenge facing the country.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all are endowed with equal rights, and that the only purpose of politics and of government is to secure those rights, to fight for justice that would otherwise be denied. At the root of all of the problems the country faces is injustice, and human rights denied is the injustice from which all tyranny and suffering and social ills - including economic depression - arise.

These self-evident truths are the foundation stone of justice, and justice is the foundation stone of the human community. This is not some window dressing to be added later when it is more convenient.

There is no such thing as a "progressive" agenda that leaves some behind, regardless of the pretext being used to leave them behind.

[Democat]

89. The only issue?

My issue is the only issue.

No mine is!

:eyes:

[Two Americas]

107. it is everyone's issue

Justice is everyone's issue.

[Divine Discontent]

86. we do face the other challenges - this Warren insult is the current issue that many of us choose to

focus a portion of our energy upon right now - you have nerve to say we're wasting time. Fortunately, we have many Straight allies who stand strongly with us. We'd like your support so this WILL go away quicker - but if you don't want to give it, please, focus on the issues you wish to talk about, not spend precious time challenging and starting extra fires telling people to stop being upset over what is upsetting them. Thank you.

[tkmorris]

87. But I'm gonna pull out my wanker and let fly anyway

That about sum it up?

See, all this hullabaloo is about something Obama actually DID. You can't say he doesn't have time for it, he did it. I personally find it quite insulting that Warren is getting honored in this fashion, but deeper down I am concerned that this may say something about Obama and how he will handle issues like Gay Marriage. It's true that we face a tremendous economic crisis, but how will you feel when he consults heavily with Henry Paulson in trying to find answers? You like that sort of "inclusion"? How about having Ben Stein come in to advise on teaching science to our students, or Ron Paul on how to fix Social Security?

Yeah, I know, Warren is just giving an invocation. It's ceremonial, has nothing to do with policy. That's fine, but it's also a bit like me inviting Dick Cheney to say a few words at my next family reunion. Might not mean anything per se, but sure would raise a few eyebrows, don't ya think?

[silverojo]

88. This lesbian is proud to agree with you

Ever notice that the people who are less concerned about the economy are people who don't give a damn about those who are suffering as a result of it?

Look at all the gay marriage posts, and compare that number to the number of posts in the Poverty forum of DU.

The lack of interest in the poverty/economic issue here on DU makes me want to vomit.

[Democat]

90. I support equal rights for all people, but...

If one person wants to get married, and another needs to eat - the person who is starving to death is probably a higher priority.

[xfundy]

91. Yeah, because gays have higher incomes and no kids, right?

Scuse me, but I haven't been able to work in my field (where I was quite successful till fairly recently) in quite some time, had to move across the country to take care of a family matter among Southern Baptists, lost my business, my stuff, my equipment, all my money in the process, and they don;t "do" my field in this market, so I'm completely fucked, or, perhaps, "I've fallen and can't get up," so of course I and many like me "don't care about the poor," eh?

I AM the fucking poor, my dear, and I will not be lectured by someone who has no concept of current reality. That OK with you?

[AntiFascist]

96. Ever since I joined DU in 2003, much of my focus has been on...

the effect of the Religious Right and neoconservatives on our current government. It may not seem obvious, but much of what as happened to our economy is a direct result of their influence. If you want to solve poverty you need government programs that make good use of our tax dollars. Unfortunately much of that has been squandered on incredibly expensive and illegal war. The economy was propped up during most of the Bush admin by an artificial housing boom, but now that is collapsing and we are seeing the result.

What does Warren have to do with all this? The gay marriage issue is nothing more than a hook to get evangelicals involved. One of Warren's primary agendas, according to a recent interview on NBC, is to convince his following that the problems with the economy lie with them (and consequently not with our leadership). According to Warren, one problem with gay people is that they lack the ability to delay gratification. This is precisely, according to Warren, the problem that has spread to greater society and is part of the cause of our economic downturn. This is also explained in the book that he has been promoting with his free airtime.

I hope this helps to pursuade you that there is much more to Warren than meets the eye, and much of it does indeed relate to economic issues. You can call me a conspiracy theorist, but if the leaders of their movement had their way, there would be no civil rights and the rest of us would be economic slaves living in poverty.

[Divine Discontent]

121. excellent post. this goes along with the thread by 1776forever

the threat is the effect of what Warren will push and what he's up to - and you nailed it - if they had their way - most people would be without rights and we'd be living in poverty.

Here's the thread about Warren's P.E.A.C.E. Plan - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8022615&mesg_id=8022615

[AntiFascist]

126. Thanks, and thanks for the link!

:hi:

[Solon]

92. Am I the only one who thinks that no one needs to know what you do in the pool?

I mean, isn't this a bodily function thread?

[Jamastiene]

93. Why, yes, it IS a bodily function thread.

but because it is also a thread that is all about "putting us in our place," people are agreeing left and right. Perhaps I will alert it and see what happens.

[Jamastiene]

94. Well, it's been 30 minutes and no has come to clean up this incontinent person's

mess. :eyes:

[Solon]

97. Dammit, can't talk about jizz in the lounge, but piss is fine GD:P material?

:eyes:

Hey, wait a second...

[Jamastiene]

98. Does that mean we can talk about jizz here too.

:evilgrin: :P

[pecwae]

99. Ain't gonna happen. Mess will stay with its rec.

[comtec]

95. This may be a one-line issue for the prez. to deal with...

The government shall not discriminate based on sexuality, gender, religion, heredity, or genetic makeup.

that would make all the prop 8's illegal to enforce. Making partnership by any two people legal.

THEN can we get back to fixing this broken country.. please!?

[Marrah_G]

100. Welcome to ignore

Condescending, patronizing, marginalizing asshole who don't give a shit about equal rights because THEY have all their rights and THEIR rights are not in jeopardy are never worth having a conversation with.

Fuck you and your offensive post.

[LostinVA]

101. Gosh, sorry civil rights are so umimportant to you

[TexasObserver]

102. Well, then don't.

There is no bigger challenge in our country than stopping religious fanatics from trampling the rights of others.

[Brazenly Liberal]

103. If you think it's just about marriage, you're pissing on your own leg

You're not pissing in the pool - you've missed the pool entirely.

I'm not going to rehash here what's already been posted in numerous threads. Read some of them instead of just complaining about them. Belittling the issues and those who care about them is cold, meanspirited and unproductive. There is damn little anyone here can do to prevent a Depression, but there is plenty we can and ought to do to further the cause of human rights.

[NJGeek]

105. I was wondering what that warm feeling was down my leg. Thanks for the heads up.

[NorthCarolina]

119. Well said

:hi:

[Mad_Dem_X]

104. 24 recommends for this?

:wow: Holy crap.

[thewiseguy]

112. I whish they would make the Recs public

[treestar]

108. You couldn't tell that from reading DU!

But you're right.

[glitch]

109. Unfortunately the economic and interior picks bode quite ill as well.

Obama is off to a very mediocre start IMO.

[sellitman]

110. I betcha my last unemployment check you are not Gay.

No sweat off your back huh?

[rhett o rick]

114. I am curious about your intention with this post. Do you think anyone that is troubled

about equal rights for the gay community will read this post and suddenly change their minds?

It is fine if you have different priorities than others, but isn't it a little audacious to think you can change our minds?

[immoderate]

115. Yes but unlike the BIG problems, this is a no brainer.

The problems of the economy, health care, and foreign policy are complex and affect everybody's lives profoundly. The solutions are highly debatable.

The question of gay marriage is simple. Treat everybody the same. Nobody's ox is gored. Solution in ten seconds. Finito.

What do you want to do, put it on the back burner until global warming is no longer a threat?

--IMM

[NorthCarolina]

120. That's really it in a nutshell

and there is a Constitution already available, just waiting to be relevant and useful once again.

[IsItJustMe]

116. If you don't have food and shelter, something tells me whether you can marry or not won't make a

hell of a lot of difference.

[bluedawg12]

117. You sure can doctors4bob - no one is stopping you

just as no one should be stopping us from fighting for our civil rights.

[yeswecanandwedid]

118. I guess that's easy to say if you're not one who is effected by these laws. NT

[boppers]

122. Ooh, another contrarian perspective!

Who knew there were so many!

:eyes:

[Lex]

123. Yes, just one problem at a time please.

OMG. :rofl:

[SidneyCarton]

124. People need to mourn.

Let them mourn. Trying to do otherwise only prolongs the agony, and delays getting anything done at all in the intercenine warfare. Their wrath is understandable and their pain should not be minimized just because we do not share it.

[Canuckistanian]

127. Ultimately, you're correct

But a lot of folks are taking this as indicative of Obama's future style.

Namely, giving nutjobs a voice and a pulpit, all in the name of "meeting them halfway".