Warren removes anti-gay language from website

[LittleBlue]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/23/rick-warren-scrubs-anti-g_n_153068.html

If this is all the uproar accomplished: to make a man ashamed of bashing gays, then it has been worth it. There are many reasons he could have changed his mind, but if somehow the uproar made him a little guilty, and perhaps Obama's invitation made him rethink something, then there's hope for everyone.

:)

[Democrats_win]

1. This is good. Bashing gays in public is soo bush league.

[Kitsune]

2. Scrubbing his website does not mean he's changed his mind.

I am willing to bet that come January 21st it'll be right back up there.

And if you think his brainwashing torture "cure the gay" program will have stopped operating in the meantime, there is a bridge in Hawaii you may be interested in purchasing from me at a steep discount.

[AlCzervik]

3. you don't really think for a second he's had a change of heart do you?

a scrubbed web site is window dressing.

[Moochy]

4. Deleted Message

;-)

[Proud Liberal Dem]

10. You may well be right

OTOH when was the last time the Christian Coalition, Focus On The Family, et. al ever felt the need to willingly "scrub" their websites and/or literature? Most of the religious right bigots that I've been aware of have been consistently stubborn enough to avoid even the appearance of being more "moderate" or "mainstream". Say what you will about the really hard-core religious bigots but NONE OF THEM care how crazy or intolerant they look. Maybe Warren is more willing to open himself up to new ideas and beliefs than many of us here give him credit for? Maybe this uproar and/or his association with Melissa Etheridge and Barack Obama has changed him a bit (for the better). :shrug:

[AlCzervik]

11. when they're invited to the inauguration of a democrat expect them to temporarily

scrub some of the assholery from their web sites.

I do not believe for one second that Warren has changed his mind, no i don't, he's just getting way more national attention now.

[Two Americas]

34. they do care

The leaders of the religious right very much care that they are not seen as crazy or intolerant. They seek power and wealth, and can only accomplish that by misleading people. I do not see how we can effectively oppose their program if we fail to see that.

This idea that because they have millions of followers - millions of people who have been deceived and misled - and since Obama needs to "be president of all Americans," and since we need to "reach out" to "those people," and since we need to win people over in order to "get the job done," that therefore we must take their lying and manipulative leaders seriously, must parlay and negotiate with them, can only strengthen the religious right and make it less likely that we win any of their followers over.

Yes, we should reach out to their followers, for the purpose of breaking the hold that the leaders off the religious right have over them. That hold is not as strong as many here imagine, as millions of people just rejected the religious right and Reganomics and voted Democratic. One would think to listen to some here that it had been the political Left that had been repudiated and rejected by the election.

Showcasing, legitimatizing and validating the leaders of the religious right has the exact opposite effect that reaching out to their followers would have. Thinking that we are reaching out to the followers by reaching out to the leaders is to strengthen the leaders, to accept that their leadership is legitimate and honest, to aid and abet in the ongoing campaign of lies and manipulation.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

12. He's probably looking at this in terms of money (his real god). Think of it

as a corporation looking at a window of opportunity to get more costumers. I don't know how long before he goes back to the same homophobic bullshit. But it does seem that he's looking at the big picture. Which is of course "how can I get richer and fatter?".

[AlCzervik]

16. that's about right, another Checkbook Christian trying to make sure the $ keeps rolling in.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

18. It's never enough with these pricks. I just wish his "flock" could see right through them one day. n

[yellowcanine]

20. Well, unless you are God, you don't actually know what is in his heart.

Just sayin.

[AlCzervik]

24. well that's what i feel in my heart, just sayin.

[ronnykmarshall]

22. That's for damn sure.

And people are falling for this.

[AlCzervik]

25. i'm watching his newest video right now, it's a mass of contradictions.

i don't why anyone follows this guy.

[ronnykmarshall]

28. But, but ...

he bought Melissa's Cd's!!

He's really a swell guy!!!

[AlCzervik]

29. he's also a martyr, a gluttonous martyr with a persecution complex.

[LittleBlue]

32. Looks like he also visited a gay store

http://www.tmz.com/2008/12/23/rick-warren-out-of-the-closet/

:)

[otohara]

5. I Wonder If Warren Regrets Accepting

the invite.

Being outed as a phony to the entire country has got to bite.

[TK421]

6. That's like sending someone hate mail and deleting your sent folder

the problem is those words were up there, and many will not forget they were

[Starry Messenger]

7. Yes, he has thought about how to rebrand.

Sorry to be cynical. He is sticking to his guns. Now his line is not that he is "anti-gay". No, now he is "pro-tradition". Anyone who has fought with the "pro-lifers" know how futile this struggle is about to become. Unfortunately. :(

[Phx_Dem]

8. Baby steps. Hopefully, this is the first of many.

This doesn't absolve Warren of his past statements, but it sure doesn't hurt.

[LittleBlue]

9. That's all I'm saying

For the little non-cynical voice in me said it's possible. :)

[proud patriot]

13. wow .. really ? .. wow

:think:

[JohnnieGordon]

14. AmericaBlog: Warren releases new video accusing gays of being evil

THIS DESERVES IT'S OWN THREAD, but I haven't seen one for it here yet. And don't have a high enough post count to start a thread yet.

In new video, Rick Warren accuses gays of "hateful attacks," "hate speech," "Christ-ophobia," and of being "evil"

Merry Christmas from Rick Warren! You're all hateful, evil, and not even Christian!

Barack Obama's good buddy Rick Warren recorded a video yesterday, talking about the outcry over his being chosen to given the invocation at Obama's swearing in. And it's a doozie. Warren's big mouth, and apparent ego, is pretty much guaranteeing that this controversy will continue all the way up until the inauguration and beyond.

In the new video, Warren accuses gays of "hate speech," of launching "hateful attacks" against him, and he then says that gay and lesbian Americans have "Christ-ophobia," a clear effort to mock the term "homophobia." He goes on to explain that gays are "afraid of any Christian," suggesting that gay and lesbian Americans - gay and lesbian Obama voters - are not Christians. He then goes on to call gays criticizing him "evil." All this from a man who compared gay marriage to incest and pedophilia, and who explicitly bans "unrepentant gays" from his church membership.

(He also adds that bloggers are "rude" and "need to get a life." I don't really care about that part, it's just more evidence that we're getting under Warren's skin, and that he's not quite ready for prime time.)

Now that Obama has tied his horse to Rick Warren, and Warren is now speaking out and accusing gay and lesbian Obama supporters of being hateful, evil, of not being Christians, and of fearing all Christians and apparently Christ himself - mind you, we're told by Obama's pastor friend that we're not really Christian only three days before Christmas - it's time for Barack Obama to answer some questions about the very vocal Mr. Warren.

Does Obama agree with Rick Warren that gay and lesbian Americans have been "evil" and "hateful" in this affair?

Does Obama agree that gay Americans are not Christians?

Does Obama agree that gays have "Christ-ophobia"?

Keep fanning those flames, Mr. Warren.

http://www.americablog.com/2008/12/in-new-video-rick-warren-accuses-gays.html

[JohnnieGordon]

15. Testing, 1 2 3, is anyone paying attention to this?

It obviously deserves it's own thread and I can't start it.

[AlCzervik]

17. I'm watching, a minute in and he's blaming the media already.

[JohnnieGordon]

21. Thanks, it's got to end up as a thread

A day after Melissa's endorsement and he's already disproving everything she claimed about him. And scrubbing the website also obviously meant nothing.

[AlCzervik]

23. this guy is unreal, just listening to him spout his bullshit is sickening and he contradicts

himself constantly--"We should discriminate" yeah ok except if they're gay, we get it Pastor Glutton.

[Starry Messenger]

19. kpete has one in GD.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4706316

I wrote a little more in there.

[JohnnieGordon]

26. Thanks, I requested a cross-posting to GD-P..nt

[Chulanowa]

27. I doubt Obama agrees

But now I think he needs to stand up and explicitly say "Rick Warren is full of horseshit and I want him fucking gone" - or, you know, however Obama would phrase it.

Thanks for the mind-change.

[noamnety]

30. He didn't remove it because of guilt or a change of heart.

The new video is pretty clear - he removed it because he's been "victimized" and bullied by those evil gays (whose rights he's said Christians "need" to take away).

The only thing he's rethought is how to brand the glbt community as oppressors and himself as the oppressed.

[Two Americas]

31. double standard

Had Bush chosen Warren for the invocation, and then had Warren removed anti-gay language from his website, our interpretation of that would be the exact opposite of what you are saying here. We would all see it as a cynical move, as an attempt to hide the true agenda, not as evidence for some change of heart.

[polichick]

33. It's a miracle - he welcomes gays now!

[Bluebear]

35. Saddleback Church Site Not Taking Down Gay Condemnations After All

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4708305&mesg_id=4708305

[grantcart]

36. Yes they are changing from FUCK YOU to Fuck You

[Fearless]

37. It's a start.

[grantcart]

38. and I thought I was the most "glass have full" person here lol you got me beat

[Fearless]

39. Ha!

:hi: