Pat Robertson says...

[LeftofU]

Obama is doing a remarkable job. Just heard on CNN, will look for a link.
One thing I know...if Pat Robertson is pleased with anything we do, we're doing it wrong!

[Uzybone]

1. yep, cos we need to make sure Pat Robertson is pissed off

after all his attitude is barometer of our success.

Fuck Pat Robertson, who cares what he thinks.

[GarbagemanLB]

3. We need to do everything possible to piss off the other side! That's the only way to move forward.

[AntiFascist]

15. No, we need to reach out to brainwashed right-wing evangelicals...

and show them that their leaders are big idiots.

[lapfog_1]

10. It's not about Pat.

Question: Do you think that the positions that Pat Robertson stands for and agrees with are/were the right thing for this country?

Do you support the Bush Doctrine? (he does)

Do you support a more authoritarian government? (he does)

Do you support a more receptive attitude about mixing religion with government (faith based initiatives, etc) (he does)

Do you support spreading democracy at gunpoint? (he does)

Do you believe that the US should actively assassinate foreign leaders? (he does)

(we could go on... but you've seen the result of the last 8 years of Pat Robertson supplying the ground troops to the Bush remake of our federal government).

So, it doesn't bother you a little bit that Pat likes what he sees so far from the Obama transitional government?

I don't want Obama to piss off Pat Robertson just to piss off Pat Robertson. I want him to piss off Pat Robertson because Pat Robertson has been WRONG on every issue and Obama is taking the country in the opposite (hell, I'll settle for 90 degrees different) course than Pat Robertson wants. Because Pat is WRONG.

Or you buy into the "super secret double probation" plan... that Obama is setting a trap? (dream on, Obama doesn't give off any vibes that way)

[polichick]

2. No kidding!

[AtomicKitten]

4. I'm thinking it creates an atmosphere for less resistance when Obama

bursts out of the gate with a massive stimulus plan and other BIG projects.

[GarbagemanLB]

6. Get your logic out of here. We need Kucinich clones in every position of power in the administration

and ostracize the other side repeatedly.

[Sebastian Doyle]

17. God forbid that happens

We might get out of all the foreign occupations, get a decent health care system, and have the economy eventually get back to where it was before WALL STREET WHORES FUCKED IT OVER FOR 28 CONSECUTIVE YEARS.

But no, we couldn't have that, could we?

[stillcool]

30. I thought that took passing legislation...

Dennis is a great voice..and often times the lone voice for truth and justice..but I don't think that stacking the deck with the polar opposition creates any kind of atmosphere necessary to pass legislation. I've heard people assault Obama for saying he admired Reagan's ability to form such a strong coalition that enabled the Republican Party to change the landscape of American politics for decades. Yet any talk of attempting the same thing from the other side is viewed as capitulating. 2006 was the first year we had 'control' in the Senate by having 49 Democrats, 49 Republican and 2 Independents, one being Joe Lieberman. And there's your polar atmosphere. I agree that the democrats constant move to the right has failed miserably, and really it will take pressure from the people, directly interacting with their representatives to really make any kind of meaningful change. So, I guess we're fucked no matter how you look at it.

[AtomicKitten]

26. Hey, I understand this creeping people out.

I just think Obama has bigger plans, sees further down the road than any us do.

I'll never forget during the election being asked how he planned on dealing with the pervasive election fraud that has plagued this country, and he said he intended to win big. And damn if he didn't reach into every demographic to deliver a huge Democratic victory.

I understand people at DU expressing that the wingnuts' general approval of Obama so far (jeez - he hasn't even been sworn in yet!) makes their skin crawl, as it does mine, but I've seen how Obama works and he's greasing the wheels of progress to explode out of the gate 1/21/09.

edited for spelling - doh!

[lapfog_1]

42. He has won the election already.

Apparently, enough people in the US already like him...

What's to be gained by going further, a LARGER majority win in Congress for his programs?

His re-election in 4 years?

What, exactly? Especially when he pisses off his base.

The first year to two years of his term in office will be his only opportunity to pass major progressive changes. So far, that's not what I'm seeing.

[AtomicKitten]

45. Confirmations are coming up.

And then rumor has it BIG legislation is being crafted right now to be on his desk on day #1. Obama has made no secret that he is thinking sweeping change from the get go.

I view including Warren in the inauguration ceremony as stepping in it and it has evolved into a legitimate parallel with Rev. Wright. IMO the fair thing, the even-handed thing to do would be do privately ask Warren to graciously decline and back out. But I'm not Obama and I can't read his mind, so I too am just guessing.

[lapfog_1]

47. Yeah, it was sooo worth it to fuck over the gays, women, and brights

just to get Olympia Snows vote on legislation she was going to vote yes on anyway (and you can pick 3 or 4 other Senate repukes to add as needed).

What's that? Maybe she doesn't give a crap about how Obama treats Rick Warren. The dickens you say.

[AtomicKitten]

48. I said I'm guessing just like you are and everybody else.

No need to take out on me your displeasure with current events.

[lapfog_1]

49. You are the one coming up with the "we need the conservatives"

explanation, not me.

Funny, whenever Pelosi or Reed bent over to suck up to the conservatives in the House or Senate, I didn't see much defense of their tactics here. Quite the opposite.

But whatever.

[AtomicKitten]

50. Look, you wondered what else he might be doing, and I made the mistake of guessing.

I didn't even infer we need the conservatives. Point in fact, I'd rather back over them with my car. I don't know what or why Obama is doing anything, and clearly guessing is interpreted as an invitation by some to take out their own crappy feelings on me in the spectacular lack of boundaries around this place.

I'll just say goodnight to you.

On edit: Edited to delete expletives used as adjectives.

[lapfog_1]

51. It was a rhetorical question.

I've already heard the "super secret plan" explanation. And given it it's due.

[NJmaverick]

5. the other way to look at it, is that Obama was right

a little bit of respect and trying to seek common ground, results in a more united nation.

[truth2power]

41. Could you please name something substantive on which

both progressives and Pat Robertson could have a joint venture?

[lapfog_1]

7. So far, Obama is getting high marks from a lot of people that

I despise. A lot of people here think this is a "good thing"(tm). I'm not one of them.

Not because I'm against inclusion or even that I'm vindictive (that seen as the only motivation to oppose those people).

No, I don't like it because these people are wrong on the facts and wrong on the solutions. The "Change" that I was voting for and donating to and phone banking for was to take the country in a different direction. One that the people I despise would most certainly NOT agree with. People like Bill Kristol and Pat Robertson.

[polichick]

22. That's the way I see it - reminds me of a "bait and switch" nightmare.

[stillcool]

36. How much power do you think...

in terms of money and global influence, do you thing the right-wing think tanks and non-profits have?

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/

[lapfog_1]

40. Only as much power as we grant them by adopting their positions and policies.

or giving them a platform from which to speak for all of us.

Whatever other power they have, it should be diminished.

[stillcool]

44. are you serious?

Did you even look at the link I provided? http://rightweb.irc-online.org/

[totodeinhere]

38. Yes, Bill Bennett was on saying how pleasantly surprised he is by Obama so far.

So apparently Obama's quest to reach out to the opposition is going well. Perhaps it's going too well.

[Jamastiene]

8. OMFG!

My worst fucking nightmare has come true.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

9. Why are you watching a homophobic bigot on TV?

:shrug:

[griffi94]

11. didn't the op say it was on cnn

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Are you telling me I should just get over it?

Fucking Christ, if there's anything worse than Pat Robertson on CNN, it's people defending and rationalizing it.

[griffi94]

18. no i'm not telling you anything

except your glib "gotcha" moment wasn't very well thought out

[totodeinhere]

39. So many of them are on that's it's hard to avoid them.

If I had to change the channel every time a homophobic bigot came on, my finger would probably have fallen off by now.

[Thrill]

12. He claimed on Larry King the day after the Election, Obama had a chance to be one of the greatest

Presidents ever. I don't know how to take that from him. This was one day after the election

[alwysdrunk]

14. Fuck Pat Robertson and what he says on CNN

I don't give damn what he thinks. Do you?

[lapfog_1]

43. More to the point... Does Obama care? - n/t

[FrenchieCat]

16. Pat Robertson knows that if he agrees, you'll disagree......

just on principle! :rofl:

[ProSense]

25. Actually, I don't think that's what Pat is up to at all.

The entire RW and neocons, the AEI (second piece at link), are trying to present themselves as reasonable. They're trying to hide all the idiocy and the people connected with Bush in an attempt to rebuild for future elections. If they hide the war criminal enablers and say Obama is terrific now or offer mild criticism, they can say "look I gave him a chance, I said he built a great team" statments when they turn on him.

[firedupdem]

19. Sure.....We're doomed.......Glad Pat's comment figured it all out for us. n/t

[political_Dem]

20. Of course, he's happy. Warren's been given legitimacy.

Long live the "team of rivals". :sarcasm:

[stillcool]

37. Pat Robertson does not need legitimacy...

he's got his feet firmly planted in the money train on the world stage.

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/

[Undercurrent]

21. There is a good chance

that Obama WILL be a great President. People (or even slugs like Roberson, for that matter) want to be on the side of a winner.

[polichick]

23. But would they be talking like that if Obama had chosen more progressives?

[Undercurrent]

28. .

A projection based on an "if"? I have no idea, not being a fortune teller. ;)

[polichick]

29. How convenient. :)

[Uzybone]

31. Forget appointments for one second.

To me there are enough progressives, at least for the kind of politics Obama has been talking about. But thats another issue.

Pat Robertson is praising a PE who is 100% pro choice, pro gay rights (to an extent), pro unions, anti faith based political tests, pro science, anti Iraq War etc.

Obamas positions have not changed from during the campaign (when he was a "socialist" and terrorist paller) to now. We are on the winning side of history.

[polichick]

32. I overlooked the appointments until this Warren choice - now it looks different to me...

If not for the green team (my lifelong issue), I'd be pretty bummed.

But, of course I hope you're right.

[phleshdef]

24. Maybe falling deeper into senile insanity will do Pat some good.

[dtotire]

27. He said Barack will be a great President

I heard this too on the Situation Room

[stillcool]

35. Not surpising for Wolf..

Wolf Blitzer’s Secret

It’s scary to hear someone carry-on like Pat. But it’s sort of strange to realize that Pat and Wolf Blitzer go way back together. Yep! Wolf used to work for Pat Robertson's CBN way back when Pat was setting up his news bureau and Wolf was the 700 Club’s reporter from the Middle East. He was a lot younger in those days, but in those beginning days Pat exposed Wolf Blitzer to a viewing audience that topped the Nielsen ratings at 28.7 million monthly viewers! That’s a great way to launch one’s career. But Wolf Blitzer likes to keep that part of his career kind of quiet. He doesn’t list the 700 Club’s news bureau in his biography. He doesn’t tell CNN’s audience that Pat was like an angel to him when he was just an independent reporter starting out. But those of us who watched Pat’s show could never forget Wolf Blitzer’s reports. He was presented to us as such an expert—we were just so proud of him! And look how high he’s gone. You’d think he’d give Pat a little credit. No doubt he says “Thanks” by inviting him on CNN!


After all, Pat started a J-School (Journalism School) and Bob Slosser, who had worked for the New York Times became the President of CBN University and Bob Slosser shared Pat’s vision of a new America. Slosser was at the graduation of the first graduate from the Institute of Journalism, it was a young lady named Eliza Wright. And the Governor of Missouri, a fellow named John Ashcroft gave the graduation speech on May 20, 1985! (My how these folks go way back together—and it shows what loyalty can do!) Bob Slosser told the 700 Club audience that day:
Katherine Yurica is a writer and a news intelligence analyst. She is also the publisher of the Yurica Report.

http://www.yuricareport.com/Media/OnPatRobertsonWolfeBlitzerAndDavidCorn.html

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

33. this concerns me greatly, just because Pat Robert and his predictions are always

wrong!

[Shiver]

34. Never believed anything Pat Robertson has ever said about anything

And I'm not about to start now.

[Fearless]

46. Oh maybe we're doing it really really well...

You run under the premise that we're the ones being duped... Maybe he is the one that is being "duped".